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Summary
Germany’s parliament will debate a proposed ban on the far-right Alternative for Germany (AfD) for the first time next week.
The proposal cites the AfD’s increasing radicalism and historically revisionist statements, such as co-leader Alice Weidel’s claim that Hitler was a communist.
Under Germany’s constitution, a party ban requires proof of opposition to constitutional principles.
Critics warn that a ban could portray the AfD as martyrs.
The AfD currently polls in second place at 20% ahead of February elections.
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My grandad who fought in WW2 used to say to me “You don’t speak to Nazis, you shoot Nazis”.
To translate this into modern world: AfD should be banned and its politicians should go to prison. The same with all far right across Europe.
We allowed nazis take power once, we must not make the same mistake again.
We allowed nazis take power once, we must not make the same mistake again.
In case you missed it, they are in power already, just not in Germany (yet).
BANNT DIE SCHEIẞE DOCH ENDLICH WEG
WEG IN DIE SCHATTENWELT
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Basically:
BAN THAT SHIT FINALLY
BANISH IT INTO THE SHADOW REALM
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Loses something in translation like that. I’d say
DO BAN THAT SHIT GONE ALREADY
AWAY INTO THE SHADOW REALM
Extra points for the use of capital Eszett.
20%?! What the fuck is wrong with people? I know that there are problems in the world, big problems, but you don’t get rid of those by just saying “Ausländer raus!”
People are disgruntled enough to the point that they just want to burn it all down. And these far right radicals/Nazis are often promising that (even though they have zero plans of carrying through and will instead just further enrich themselves at the cost of everything else). This is what happens when you let extreme inequality continue unchecked for decades.
Keep in mind, that the past decade centrist and right wing media did everything to give the AfD maximum attention and for the past 3 years every party from left of center to right bent over backwards to push themselves to the right and far right. the Greens and Social Democrats passed a law to make deportations easier just a week after investigative journalists uncovered a meeting by the AfD, other Fascists and the CDU to discuss plans for large scale deportations. sitting chancellor Scholz had declared “We need to deport in grand style” a few months earlier.
Now for the AfD ban innitiation a relevant faction of the Green party want to block it on the basis of “wanting more time, a parliamentary inquiry and not to risk giving the AfD a carte blanche if the ban case fails.” I think it is more because they are worried that some of their right and far right policies could come under scrutiny too.
The reality is that large parts of German politics have been infiltrated by and wanted to move to the right very hard. They just waited for a pretext to do so, where they don’t end up being the far right all of a sudden.
I’m just mentioning the Green party as an example, because they used to be a progressive party, left of the social democrats and right of the Left party, and i am dissapointed the most in them. But the CDU is using the same election slogans as the AfD currently and the Bavarian abomination CSU now has posters that look the same to posters of the NPD, which is the skinheads with baseball bats style Nazi-party.
But it’s such a simple and easy solution to our problems! /s
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A matter of weeks before the election too
You brought it upon yourselves, AfD
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Germany should declare Musk a persona non grata
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I suspect banning them will make them more powerful than they are. What we really need to do with these movements is to ridicule them at every chance possible, do not only condemn them but actively mock them and treat them with the highest degree of disdain. Make it clear that a shitstain is more worthy of consideration than them. We used to do that with the KKK in the US and it worked wonders.
No it won’t. Banning them will defund them AND it bans any follow-up parties they would otherwise create.
Banning them will defund them AND it bans any follow-up parties they would otherwise create.
And it will finally end their constant appearance on television, where they can advertise Nazi crap.
But the afd voters won’t disappear. The problem is not the party, but the fact that millions vote for it. People have to be convinced not to vote for it.
No the problem with the highest priority is the nazi party clawing for power.
I agree, the voters wouldn’t disappear but it would take time for them to find a new party to vote for. The time difference might be worth it.
One step after another. Right now the #1 priority is stopping the fucking facists from getting into power.
You have to do it with care. If it comes over as believing that your non-bigoted, non-idiotic culture is superior to the fascists’ culture of bigotry and idiocy, they’ll dig in and rail against snobbish “elites” (that is, people who can string a sentence together and recognize a lie when they hear one). In the USA this sentiment strengthened the fascists and led to Trump winning the presidency twice.
(I know I’m not exactly following my own advice but I’m feeling impatient with these people right now.)
Did I miss the part where the republican party was banned?
The person I was responding to suggested that ridiculing the AfD was preferable to banning it. In the USA people ridiculed but did not ban the Republican Party, and now it is stronger than ever. I was saying that this indicates you have to be careful how you ridicule them. If people feel you’re on their side and making fun of idiot fascists, that’s good. If people think you look like a snob and the fascists are the ones on their side, it backfires.
Got it. I thought the “being careful” part was about banning, not ridiculing :)
if violence doesn’t work, then why state uses it?
Violence against movements have a history of galvanizing them. For evidence look at the OG Nazis.
Also a ban, imo, does not qualify as violence. Violence would be if the discussion was to purge them like the roaches they are, but that’s not what’s happening.
The OG Nazis never felt state repression. They would murder people and then judges set them free again because they were “obviously acting in the national interest”. The whole judiciary back then was trained during monarchy and did not consider law passed by mere parliament, the mob, as valid, they basically saw the Nazi’s autocracy as a downgraded version of having an emperor, but at least it wasn’t, *shudder*, democrats.
