• @[email protected]
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    972 months ago

    The other 27% must not read the news, eh?

    Even if you believe the US is an ally to whatever country you’re from (outside of Russia, of course), he’s proven to be untrustworthy and unreliable.

        • @[email protected]
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          152 months ago

          It still could be a phase, albeit a much longer one than originally hoped for. I’m not convinced that’s the case but I think there’s reason to have at least a sliver of hope that the US will turn the corner and return to something approaching sanity. That’s not to say that the people of France are wrong in their perception though. For the foreseeable future all of Europe should default to assuming we’ll be ambivalent at best when approaching matters that concern them.

          • @[email protected]
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            32 months ago

            Sure, I agree with you. Although I have to say that personally, I believe the US isn’t coming back from this any time soon, if ever. I say this because in my opinion the causes that led to the (repeated) Trump presidency (e.g. a terrible election system, money in politics, a culture of turning everything into a show, a deeply ingrained skepticism towards knowledge and science in large parts of the population, extremist capitalism etc.) go much deeper than just these past ~10 years. And I see no willingness and/or capability on the side of the opposition to really tackle any of these factors at the root.

            • @[email protected]
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              12 months ago

              “Name one country where socialism has worked.” The United States, 1955, when corporate wealth tax was 90% and gave birth to a thing called the middle-class where a milkmans salary could afford a house and family.

    • David
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      202 months ago

      The other 27% are fascists too.

    • @[email protected]
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      I don’t know what it is like in non-english speaking countries but US right wing foreign influence is massive. Everything they say about Russian and Chinese foreign influence is a million times worse from the US through Facebook, twitter, Murdoch, Rogan etc. I suspect there are approaching double digit percentages in many countries that are highly susceptible and basically unreachable by their fellow citizens.

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    For 53% of American people, the United States is no longer an ally of US.

  • @[email protected]
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    The French:

    Ever since those fuckers voted for the insane right wing populist lunatic, they are no longer a reliable ally!!

    Also the French:

    Yay, Le Pen!

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    France should take the Statue of Liberty back. The US gov will probably replace it anyway, by one of Donald having is golden balls sucked by a sexy eagle while driving a cybertruck, or something.

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    France has always been a bit different. They left NATO for a bit to push back against the US/UK dominance and they developed an independent nuclear deterrent and delivery systems. They are a shit country in many ways, probably more like the US than they realise. They held onto colonialism for too long, have a stupid political system and their police and security services have done some shitty things. But hard not to admire their independence even if some of their motivations for independence (eg maintaining colonial possessions) might have been suspect.

    Many countries caved to the US and became client states, heavily reliant on US defence industry and an extension of the US military, not because we were free loaders as Trump claims but because the US pushed their interests so hard and for so long. We cancelled our own weapons programs and shuttered our factories to support US jobs ahead of our own. Most of us are so dependent on the US it has been hard to conceive of a world without them. Being against the US alliance was basically equivalent to being against national security and being a fool or a supporter of potential enemies.

    Trump is breaking people’s world view. The French leadership were decades ahead of the rest of us.

    • Skua
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      A small correction, France never left NATO completely. They left a lot of the joint command structures and stopped hosting NATO’s HQ in Paris, but they never cancelled the treaty or anything like that

  • mapumbaa
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    382 months ago

    Maybe France will end up liberating the North American continent once again. 😉

  • @[email protected]
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    That feeling has been reflected in recent polls here in the UK too and I think the US might be finally blowing it with its ‘allies’.

    I hope that the Trump administration can get all its core industries up and running because there is a big sense that the US empire is on its way out now. It was always bound to happen eventually because it always does but I was not expecting to see it unravel so fast and so soon.

    Perhaps the US population can resolve (or dissolve) its internal divisions and conflict but I think it will take years and Europe has urgent problems that need tackling right away.

  • @[email protected]
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    That’s crazy to me that America has changed so much that a nation they freed from Nazi control cannot consider the USA an ally any more because of the fascist ideology the trump administration is showing to the world. This all happened in like 2 months time. This is just the beginning and I don’t see things getting better at all.

    • @[email protected]
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      It’s so much worse for the US

      France was our first ally. After the revolutionary war, France was the first to recognize us as a country.

      They were the first NATO nation to join us in the global war on terror after we invoked Article 5.

      Make all the “France surrendered” jokes you want but they have given more to us than we have given them, diplomatically speaking.

      Trump is just giving every ally we have a huge middle finger that will take decades to overcome. All so that Trump can feel like a big man.

      • @[email protected]
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        Make all the “France surrendered” jokes you want

        It’s so weird to me that France has been a military force that has oscillated between a force to be reckoned with and the most powerful land force in the world since the 17th century, but you lose one war to a blitzkrieg with an overconfident military leadership…

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          the most powerful land force in the world since the 17th century

          Franco-Prussian War with France being beaten in a bit over half a year…

        • @[email protected]
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          How does the Foreign Legion fit into this? I honestly don’t know much about how they’re connected to France. But, what I do know about them is that they’re badasses.

    • @[email protected]
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      It’s not just two months.

      Second gulf war, France and Germany not joining in although our soldiers were dying in Afghanistan after the US declared Article 5. US government “that is old Europe, they don’t matter”. US people “we should bomb Germany back into the stone age”. That’s when my generation became anti-US.

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      What they are doing to Canada is just straight up absurd but it makes sense if you think of this as a Woke vs Non-woke war not capitalism vs communism or west vs east, Jon nails it as usual:

      Jon Stewart on Trump’s Heel Turn on Zelenskyy In Favor of Putin’s New World Order https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OeUZI5RnYGg

    • @[email protected]
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      The Chinese regime also lies through their teeth, but they are a known and rational actor.

      A backstabbing, erratic „ally“ is worse of course.

    • @[email protected]
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      If they’d be willing renounce their claims to Taiwan and allow democracy in Hong Kong and Macau, maybe I could see that. Until then, same shit in more outwardly rational packaging.

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        The US is no less imperialistic than China. At least China is stable and predictable.

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      Actually, yes. Stability-loving nationalist autocrats vs. instability-loving nationalist autocrats.

      Thankfully, the real democracies don’t really need to choose one or the other, as long as we stick together.

    • @[email protected]
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      Lol I was gonna say, I live here and I don’t really feel like they’re my ally at all.

  • sircac
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    Only? Probably for the remaining 27% it never was…

  • @[email protected]
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    I assumed we lost their support years ago. I thought we couldn’t get more petty than “Freedom fries”. I was way wrong.