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I mean, everyone knows were on the back of a turtle, being held up by elephants
Nice try.
Everyone knows it’s turtles all the way down.
No. Everything is tuberculosis.
So funny, if atlas hear you will drop the land to the void
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The turtle moves!
The difference is Galileo produced a highly successful theory with more explanatory power than its predecessor, while people who don’t trust “The Science” nowadays spent exactly 2 seconds thinking about it before saying “nuh uh”.
Maybe I am in a different environment (particularly not being American), but the old scientists still exist and are still hard at work. In fact, all scientists I know (and I work in academia) care very little for misinformation on their day to day lives. They’ll make fun of it, but don’t have any more contact with them than anyone else. They still spend most of their time working on their actual projects. The only thing that changed is that now they’re bending over backwards to include AI in their grants to make sure they’re accepted, but having to include the latest buzzwords is nothing new.
Science communicators, on the other hand, yeah, those probably have their hands full with fixing misinformation.
all scientists I know (and I work in academia) care very little for misinformation on their day to day lives.
Well in the US, that misinformation “won” and is coming for scientists now. Their funding is no longer a given, especially diverging from orthodoxy. Self-censorship is becoming the norm.
It can happen elsewhere, too. Use us as a warning.
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COVID was somehow the visceral turning point. Variations on visitor restrictions in hospitals still exist since then due to the extraordinary and amazing displays of bad behavior from that time.
People could always behave badly. Direct care staff, as one example, have been wearing panic buttons linked directly to security and calling a violence code over the announcement system, since around 2015 on the medical side of things.
But COVID was a severe escalation point. Families screaming in hallways that the diagnoses was “fake news” or part of the hospitals “corporate conspiracy” escalating to the point of pulling medical equipment off their loved ones, who could not breathe without that medical equipment.
Behaviors that could potentially kill people wrapped up in an inexorable belief that science was lying. No trust of medical personnel who are there to help whatever the system around them contrives to do with care.
While the behaviors are not like COVID times any more, there’s a residual skepticism of, well, everything since that time. Sadly, one that is preyed upon by politics to keep us fighting one another instead of punching up.
Forgive me, maybe “punching up” is now a ban-worthy turn of phrase.
There’s always been people doubting science. Nothing new
Yeah op you’re right, people who hate science are definitely liberals with dyed bright hair
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Agree with your sarcasm, but Poe’s Law applies. Always close your sarcasm HTML tag.
lol not all people with dyed hair are lefties
It’s still the recognized Internet stereotype.
People just aren’t noticing that this is protection.
What do you have against Adam Conover, a certified member of the reality-based community and someone who has spent much of his career fighting on the side of facts against myth and misinformation?
I was wondering the same. Simply seems like a right-wing meme relabeled. Although notice the cyclist and colored hairs.
The problem is that Adam Ruins Everything is guilty of spreading more misinformation than it solves. (The Video Games episode is particularly embarrassing)
It’s neat entertainment and it does expose some bullshit, but it aint perfect. And to its credit it does have a few “Times we were wrong” episodes
Edit: Don’t know why the crowd is stereotypes of Liberals though, they’re not the ones on the Science Denial train unless they’re the “Betraying Transpeople will win us elections!” type
No shit it’s not shaped like an eagle. It’s shaped like a velociraptor.
“Science just doesn’t know if this trans stuff is safe, don’t Leftists know their biology? Men are men and women are women!” Is something my trans ass is tired of hearing.
I see that Adam Connover fan. TBH that guy used to seem cool but he’s spread a lot of disinformation the last few years. The end of College Humour must have broken him.
Oh, I really liked “Adam ruins everything”.
I’m curious, what’s the issue you have with him? I’ve only seen him vocal about the writer strikes lately and his message was fine.
He was very critical of the DNC candidates during the election. Saying Biden wasn’t pro-union and talking about how unfit Biden is for office, etc. He also seemed to be very critical of socialism in the USA. He seems to take a controversial stance on every possible subject, possibly just to promote his podcasts and live shows.
He comes off as one of those people who doesn’t want anybody on the left to win, but he just doesn’t support the right, either.
He’s literally on the board of a union and everything I’ve seen him say is very pro union, I think you may be taking something out of context.
Connover said Biden wasn’t pro-union. I’ll make an edit to use more clear language.
disinformation??? that’s quite a claim, and I’ve seen no one back it up yet
Eh… a lot of people were protesting “Frankenfood” when the human genome project was going on.
People have always been idiots about science, just that the idiots are more organized and more vocal now.
MSM let them on and gave them a megaphone.
People have started to believe that opinions are the same or better than facts. That’s also the reason why politics is fucked.
Started? Ooooo sweet summer child.
Ironic that the Right is the movement associated with the phrase “Facts don’t care about your feelings.”
People have also gone from disagreeing with each other to outright despising the other party and all people who are associated. Social media has created an echo chamber that has divided us unfortunately.
The internet is a very big reason for that. It gives everybody a platform to spread utter bullshit.
Like people thinking the earth is a sphere. Weirdos.
in less than a decade
I hate to tell you this, but the Human Genome Project the meme is referencing was completed in 2003 and published in 2004.
Time sure flies 🥲
more than any specific project the meme may be referencing, it’s pointing out the difference between scientific acceptance and derision, which has changed more drastically in the last 10 years than in the last 20.
Science derision, has been around for forever, look up the history of anti-vaccination leagues in the UK and US in response to the small pox vaccine in the 1800s. There were antivax parents at my primary school in the 90s too. They were just in pockets of small communities before, and therefore wielded less power. Social media has allowed them to gather into one town square and allowed them to reinforce each other’s delusions, amplify their voices, spread (aptly) like a virus, and most importantly tie it to a political/culture war.
Or it’s the consequences of lead and heavy metals poisoning finally coming to their natural conclusion regarding the function of the human brain.
unfortunately, your new comment is a further pedantic and unnecessary expansion of both what the meme and my comment succinctly stated; you are apparently still missing the point of memes in general, this meme in particular and my comment: the specifically rapid public shift from science appreciation to scientific derision.
I’m happy you’re finally learning about this, but please make it clear that you have discovered something new for yourself and the reason you are publicly sharing this common knowledge, rather than pretending I asked for you to make a perfectly enjoyable, understandable meme 40 times longer and less clear.
Then let me be succinct: There was never any “science appreciation” among the general public, and if you think there was, you’re in a bubble. A specific, most likely higher educated and most likely American bubble. You’re just hearing voices outside the bubble now.
Condescending comments like your reply might contribute to the science derision though, just saying.
“There was never any “science appreciation” among the general public”
you are demonstrably incorrect and your confident ignorance is insulting and harmful in general.
but here I am, being the guardrail to your misinformation again:
less than a decade ago, measles was eradicated from the US.
since then, vaccinations and science in general have been maligned and you can see in national polls that scientific authority is less respected than it was a decade ago to the point that measles has been brought back and is now killing children again.
because in less than a decade, science appreciation has turned into scientific derision.
you are completely wrong here, and you are not helping anything by spreading misinformation and flaunting your ignorance of the matter.
“…comments like your reply might contribute to the science derision though, just saying.”
of course you are “just saying”, that is the problem with your comments: they add no value…
value-added comments are what is needed.
If your comments do not add value, as your three have not in this thread, then they are value-less and should be withheld.
you are adrift.
Measles vaccinations being down can also be linked to mandatory vaccination laws being taken off the books across states during the last decade. It says nothing about the inherent levels of scientific education of the parents doing so.
Previously, parents were mandated by law to have their children vaccinated at birth or to attend schools. We don’t know if they would have opted to vaccinate their kids if it wasn’t mandatory, and it definitely doesn’t point to them “appreciating science” more.
Again, very condescending reply from you, considering correlation /= causation is a basic rule of research.
It took me way too long and finally zooming in to realize the first dude didn’t strap knives to his face…
It’s an awkward example to pick. Human genome research was so controversial someone made an award-winning dystopian sci-fi movie to criticise it.
We did collectively get Maya Hawke out of that deal, though.
Incidentally, that was written by the same guy who made dystopian fiction about reality TV and corporate-sponsored vtubers before either thing existed. Andrew Niccol turned out to be amazing at spotting upcoming trends, terrible at identifying how exactly they would ruin things.
