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Even taking his bullshit argument at face value, he thinks the best solution for these violent drug addicts is to leave them out of the street? Who is the audience here? If you literally think they are all violent, why is leaving them free to roam around the right solution?
I know it’s all about money and grandstanding on his part but this definitely seems like some under-the-influence kind of deep thoughts.
Elon spouts BS all the time, but $20 billion to end homelessness is some of the biggest bullshit I’ve ever heard.
You should have some sympathy for Musk, since apparently you also like to talk out of your ass without looking into it.
https://aah-inc.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/09/whomeless.pdf
I work serving the homeless. We spent $10 billion for one year during COVID just to include all of the students who didn’t already get free school meals to have it during that time. Unless you’re only providing cots and Porto-johns, that number might work as an annual figure, until inflation hits, or the numbers go up because once you offer free housing, more people will try to become eligible.
Sounds to me like you’re the one talking out your ass.
These numbers are extremely unsubstantiated. If you think giving someone $40k will permanently save them from homelessness I have a bridge to sell you.
Let’s see your study. What do you know that HUD experts don’t?
People also said you can’t solve homelessness by giving them homes, and Finland did it with ease.
For example, California spent over $24 billion over a period of five years and didn’t even make a dent.
Homelessness is not a simple problem you can just throw money at. People will consistently fall through the societal cracks.
Yes, California’s half-assed efforts have been rife with fraud and waste.
https://calmatters.org/housing/homelessness/2024/04/california-homelessness-spending
Similarly, it costs many billions more to fund our half-assed healthcare system than it would be to simply give people healthcare. Dealing with problems in a way that only attacks the symptoms is far more expensive and wasteful.
But it has been proven that guaranteeing housing is both cheaper and produces superior results.
https://pulitzercenter.org/stories/look-finlands-housing-first-initiative
If you can provide six months of housing, food and support then a person could start earning for themselves. You don’t have to provide a lifetime of help for $40,000
Compulsive lying and Ketamine abuse are the only things Elon knows anything about.
having been homeless…
the fuck is he talking about and who the fuck does he think he’s fooling
Himself and his other techbro friends that couch surfed for a while, aka violent drug addicts with severe mental health issues.
Just more of the same from his class. Wants everyone to believe in a meritocracy, because that means he’s rely great, and the people whose lifeblood he drained to get where he is aren’t victims - they’re just inferior. They wouldn’t be where they are if they were superior like him.
Probably a guillotine wouldn’t even work on him, he’s so superior. Hypothetically.
A billionaire is the equivalent of a person sitting in a cafeteria who bought every piece of food in the restaurant kitchen and doesn’t want to share any of it with the thousand people sitting around him even though he’ll never be able to eat all the food they bought.
Owning and controlling so much wealth that you’ll never be able to enjoy everything you have in a lifetime isn’t a success or a sign of intelligence … it’s a mental illness. Especially when all that wealth and control could mean the life or death of thousands or millions of people everywhere.
There are exceptions. Warren Buffet (as an example) has given away a large fraction of his wealth, and pledged/planned to give 99% of it over his lifetime (he is 94). It’s a sane strategy to let his shares appreciate and “maximize” his charity.
For a billionaire, he lives modestly and speaks reasonably. He has a sanely sized house. His kids are getting an inheritance, but not a stupidly large one.
Look, I want to tax the shit out of billionaires too, I just object to blanket labeling any group as mentally ill. You know, like Musk did in OP’s post.
Yeah fuck that. Even if warren buffet lives up to the leftist wet dream of what billionaires should do, we need legislation, and if we don’t get it, heads should fucking roll. Billionaires should not exist, full stop. You cannot work that hard, they have not and will not work that hard. Stop thinking like these parasites have any empathy. They will cash you out for 50 cents. Cash them out for far more.
You’re like the guy in the cafeteria who stands at the far end of the billionaire’s table and tell everyone in the cafeteria that the billionaire will donate and give away his sandwiches when he leaves and that he isn’t that bad because he only eats a bit of the food and saves the rest because he will give it away soon.
So the mentally ill deserve to be left to rot in the streets? Why else have a social safety net, if not for them?
What do you want to do, give them a house? – because we closed down all the asylums. That’s where we used to house them. I’d rather give mentally healthy people the houses.
@Confidant6198
“secular talk” is wrong here.Musk is an absolute psychopath without any empathy. He doesn’t need any excuse to sleep at night knowing all the harm he did to the world.
By destroying USAID, this devil just threw millions of people into starvation.
I’d say destroying USAID is the one good thing they did. Long term mind you. I won’t deny the short term effects of such an instant cutoff to these programs.
But USAID is primarily used to disrupt the economic systems of nations that the US exploits for cheap labor.
I’d quote the revolutionary Thomas Sankara
Those who come with wheat, millet, corn or milk, they are not helping us. Those who really want to help us can give us ploughs, tractors, fertilizers, insecticides, watering cans, drills and dams. That is how we would define food aid.
The US primarily uses its food aid to disrupt these nations from being self sustainable and force their industry into a single crop that is most beneficial for US capitalist to export.
So, while the shorterm is bad. The disconnection of these exploitative relationships are good.
Obviously it would be better if these programs were slowly removed. But continuing them for the next 4 years would be worse then ending them drastically.
Also, mind you, I don’t think Trump even realizes why these programs exist to benefit the US exploitation of the third world. I think he sees them simply as “foreign aid”. So his own ignorance of them actually ends up destroying an important part of US Imperialism by mistake.
Removing the exploitative relationships that the US has with third world countries in the form of “foreign aid” is good. It’s just that (1) Trump actually thinks these benefit these nations. Which they do not. And (2) the well intentioned liberals thinks the same as Trump does. So we end up with this weird state where both are wrong but the policy is actually good long term.
Again, there will absolutely be problems as these dependencies are cut of so quickly. But no more than the continued exploitation in the long term would result in.
At Thomas Sankara said. These direct food injections are not helpful. They are a way that capitalist use to direct the economy of third world nations towards dependency on America Imperialism. Ending them is good for these nations. Even if there are struggles when they end.
Self determination and self sustainability have been robbed from these nations by USAID for decades.
@LeninOnAPrayer
No. Its a genocide.
Ending so much funds so abruptly is criminal.
Millions are starving right now.
Thousands of people will die of Malaria and aids. Thousands of children will get polio and will be crippled for life.
That’s a disaster
Remember, they are saying what would need to be true to justify what they plan to do. This should be read as Elon declaring intent to put homeless people in camps.
Let’s say, for sake of argument, that Elon is correct. Should we not be helping people with severe mental illness?
Wait weren’t they doing that already?
If not, where was all that money going?
I can’t speak for Elon (and will not defend him) but Kyle (from Secular Talk) is dramatically underestimating the problem by tossing out the $20 billion figure. You can’t just throw a bunch of money at a person with severe mental illnesses and addictions and just expect them to be okay.
The state of California has spent over $24 billion on homelessness since 2019 yet the number of homeless people in the state has grown by 20%. Obviously they aren’t spending the money wisely in a manner that would maximize reduction of homelessness, but Kyle didn’t specify how the money should be spent either. Perhaps that’s actually the hard problem: how do you spend the money in the way that would be most effective?
He is a literal NAZI! So he wants mentaly ill to suffer for losing the gene lottery!
Why does “violent drug addicts with severe mental illness” mean somehow they shouldn’t be helped anyways?
Homeless: without a home.
Weird how he’s lying again. I’ve been there, and I can promise this fuckwit that not having a roof or food in the middle of winter in a city where the stoplights literally freeze is not some kind of illusion. That being prodded away from a public bench in sub-zero temperatures so you can shamble a few blocks whilst the sleep in your eyes freezes, over and over for weeks, so you can’t get more than an hour sleep at a time for months, isn’t the holiday he thinks it is.
Jesus christ, I bob my head to the surface for this? It’s like he’s not even trying to be relatable now.
To be fair, that is kinda nonsense. Germany and austria, for example have a lot of support networks for people in need, we even have entire networks dedicated to supporting homeless people, so nobody has to be homeless here - yet we do have a lot of them. For some people, homelessness is almost a choice more than an involuntary decision.
Obviously, idk how this would be in america, but I don’t think it would be a lot different.
Elon’s very familiar with the condition of homeless drug addicts.
Wild claim, considering Musk is one of the most violent drug addicts who has ever lived.
I wonder what we should call a violent drug addict, convicted of inciting insurrection, living in housing paid for by the public ?
TIL Elon Musk is homeless.
