• @[email protected]
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    A few select .world users make a big fuss out of nothing in order to keep people signing up to their centralized instance.

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      Again, this is another perfect example to my earlier point that the majority of people whining about .world go there to stir the pot, violate the rules, get their shit removed, and then misinform the reasons. It tracks right along with their political ideology.

      Modlog for reference.

    • @[email protected]
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      A “big fuss” with a whole lot of documentation:

      From censorship, bans and bias towards their “in crowd”:

      https://lemmy.world/post/27674360

      https://lemmy.world/post/27674117

      https://lemmy.world/post/27673934

      https://lemmy.world/post/27673724

      https://lemmy.world/post/27577337

      https://lemmy.world/post/27378634

      https://lemmy.world/post/27346630

      https://lemmy.world/post/27341283

      https://lemmy.world/post/27288224

      https://lemmy.world/post/27156418

      https://lemmy.world/post/27054157

      https://lemmy.world/post/27008261

      To altering headlines and permitting known propaganda outlets:

      https://lemmy.world/post/27428838

      https://lemmy.world/post/27416097

      https://lemmy.world/post/27314050

      https://lemmy.world/post/27288953

      That spew Russian talking points like Ukraines invasion just being a “negotiating tactic” https://lemmy.world/post/27012640

      To general hostility to other instances who haven’t “seen the way” yet https://lemmy.world/post/27426510

      To their open declaration of support for Russia (direct from dessalines) https://lemmy.world/post/27352415

      To even "concentration camps were just reeducation camps and weren’t that bad https://lemmy.world/post/26985447

      • @[email protected]
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        It is crazy how obsessed you are with .ml while .world is calling cartoons critical of Israel “antisemitism”.

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          So your reply to… 20 links, is to complain that someone is documenting well (“obsessed”) and then make one claim against the entire instance with one supporting link?

          I have a massive problem with .world. There’s a reason I’m not on it. But the .world liberal problem doesn’t undo the .ml tankie problem. Two things can be true.

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              Those three links were posts of screenshots of mod actions? If I was doing a big, hyperfocus-style, documenting-things kind of thing, I wouldn’t link directly to the modlog for a lot of reasons. I’d link to a screenshot of the modlog. That way, people can see the thing I want to point out, and then if they want, go verify that it’s in the modlog.

              Normally I wouldn’t wade into this obvious shitshow, but I have a massive pet peeve of a person dismissing another person’s argument with, “There’s too much evidence.” I get not wanting to comment individually on each and every thing they posted, who has the time, but for “I don’t want to engage with all this content,” there’s the option of not commenting at all. Telling someone that their point is invalid because they have too much content is really really really frustrating for me. That might be my neurodivergence but…

              But, “your point is wrong because there’s too much evidence and I don’t wanna read it” isn’t a counterargument to the original point being made. And making a counterpoint of, “but here’s MY argument and MY evidence and I want you to engage with THAT” is… not what good faith debate should look like. If you can’t be bothered to engage with the original point being made, using it to pivot a discussion to your own point is… rude.

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              Looks like the issue was with the source and the comm you posted it in (worldnews is for articles not comics)

              And it was expressly stated if you uploaded the comics to an appropriate comm without the tainted controversial source it would be perfectly fine. Have you tried uploading them to [email protected] ? Was it removed from there?

              In any case, JordanLund is not an admin so worst case they’d just be a rogue mod, my evidence directly points to admin (e.g. dessalines and davel) censorship, mandates and propaganda pushing which is far worse. It speaks directly to the Tankie agenda they’re using their instance for

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                Please read the linked comment and down from there. For more context on why the specific site is brought up read up slightly.

                Also please state whether you believe the comics are antisemitic.

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                  Please read the linked comment and down from there. For more context on why the specific site is brought up read up slightly.

                  Still, it’s a bad moderation decision, not nearly as bad as having instance admins actively push a narrative and their personal political agenda like what is going on with .ml

                  Also please state whether you believe the comics are antisemitic.

                  I do not, from what I’ve seen they’re rightfully critical of the Israeli government and it’s policies and mere criticism of a religion is not anti-Semitic and in fact all religions should be openly criticized

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    Something else I’ve not seen mentioned here is:

    It’s pretty easy to see how the admins rule all of the communities while the moderators of those communities seem to be nothing more than flaccid ineffective grunts that do nothing but let it happen.

    For evidence, check the modlogs and see that the bans/removals from .ml are always done by the same two people. Then, note how those two people don’t even moderate the communities the comments/bans were issues from. This is not a bias. It’s verifiable by simply checking the logs.

    Then, note how most of the bans/removals don’t even violate the rules, but seemingly only hurt the feelings of the aforementioned admins.

    They are a walled garden of propaganda-riddled rhetoric.

    Additionally, many of the kids that habituate that place come in to other instances and stir pots, debate-troll people, and generally shit all over everything, and then cry and accuse everyone of bias when they get moderated by ACTUAL moderators.

    The evidence here, lies in the modlogs of all the people complaints about how shitty .world and other instances are. Check for yourself. See that I’m not lying.

    Lastly, I’ve not once ever posted, or commented in a single community of .ml, so unlike them- my bias is driven by real-world evidence, and not anecdotal reactionary temper tantrums.

    • Elrecoal19
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      So, hasn’t there been any discussion about unfedding from lemmy.ml and similar toxic instances?

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        Most places are defederated from grad and hex already. ML is essentially considered too big to fail so most sites won’t defed from them.

    • @[email protected]
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      I am not banned nor downvoted for telling people when they romanticize USSR or how USSR fucked my country.

      I think I got banned from some trans group for calling their arrogance that I should care about every Dick and Harry enough to ask them about their pronouns.

      I don’t give a fuck, will call you whatever you look like, and if it’s neither you’re gonna be called petal.

      I have no clue where do you find the people you write about. Also, like most lemmy users I picked this instance at random.

      • Diva (she/her)
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        if you can’t even muster up basic respect for other people do you think they should respect you or your sensibilities?

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            I think I misread, I thought you were complaining about being down voted/banned for being negative about the USSR

            either way you should still respect other people by gendering them correctly. it’s really not hard and if you expect them to be respecting you in the conversation then it’s the bare minimum you should do

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              I think you still didn’t understood me correctly. I’m not against calling people what they ask me to call them, I’m against the idea that I should be proactively gathering that information.

    • Count Regal Inkwell
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      Account hopping costs nothing (it’s not like Lemmy has “karma”)

      I made my first account on dotworld, but then dotworld started doing defederations I didn’t like. Now I’m in a furry-centric instance. :P

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        I guess I can’t notice the absence of something but the only defederations I know of are Hexbear and Lemmygrad and good fucking riddance because those instances just spam posts asking westerners to kill their family and neighbors in praise of the glorious leaders of the east.

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      I joined .ml because I didn’t want to join .world to avoid centralizing, I liked the idea of a Leftist server and a brief scan showed lemmygrad was notorious for tankies. I’m not actually ML. I don’t like dictators.

  • @[email protected]
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    Wow that’s super interesting. I just signed up for Lemmy last month and I just googled what to sign up for and .Ml was the first one that came up. Fuck tankies and fuck commies so I guess I’m definitely going to get lumped into them for now. Oh well

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      Oh wow, I guess I’m on the same boat then. Signed up on the first instance I found back when reddit announced the API changes and did not realize.

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        See my stupid username? I signed up to 3 instances one of them the insufferable tankie hellhole called ML

    • @[email protected]
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      Fuck tankies and fuck commies

      …said the citizen whose decaying world is governed by the sworn enemies of communism: fascists.

      • @[email protected]
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        There is no form of commie in the world that libs won’t decry as a tankie anyway. Don’t bother playing into the word games.

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        they are the same thing.

        tankie is just a generic derogatory slang for leftist.

      • @[email protected]
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        Yeah but 98% of the self identified communists you find on Lemmy are actually just Tankies. Part of it is that most reasonable folk would rather call themselves a democratic socialist than a communist, as the latter has become entrenched in the philosophy of the USSR.

  • TotallyNotSpez
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    They are part of the Fediverse Tankie Triad and therefor a bunch of insufferable gobshites. For more context, enjoy what the other people in this thread will tell you. I blocked lemmy.ml, lemmygrad.ml and hexbear.net.

    It’s a peaceful life. :)

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    Basically, .ml Tankies (I don’t consider all .ml users to be Tankies just because they’re a .ml users) are authoritarian bootlickers “communists” pretending not to be who routinely deny the human rights violations of the CCP/Russia and hold them up as the gold standard. They refuse to recognize China, Russia and even NK as being authortarian regimes or if they do, its OK/Neccessary because it takes down the west/capitalism. If you have a historical fact that puts any of those countries in a bad light, they’ll probably deny it happend or is just “western propganda.”

    So they believe and spread things like the Russia narratives on Ukraine (When it happened they were parroting the whole “special military operation” thing, the current thing is that it was “just a diplomatic maneuver to bring Ukraine to the negotiating table”)

    Hex and Grad are very in your face about it, but .ml tends to be more subtle, often opting instead to remove dissenting comments and ban users before letting threads get out of control. So, as a result many instances defed from those 2.

    .ml is run by the head Lemmy devs who are, unfortunately, hardcore Tankies themselves and tend to enforce the Tankie mindset throughout with more subtlety through mod/admin action. Or allowing known propaganda outlets to fester

    You can check out [email protected] if you want to see some documentation of their actions, words and censoring. What I’ve linked here is but a mere sampling of what’s been collected there

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      no idea why one of the only accurate posts in this thread is downvoted all the way down here.

      thats exactly what it is, and summing it up its why western libs hate it so hard.

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      Lol no, Tankie are authoritarians who’ve latched onto regimes who merely claim to be communistic/socialist i.e. China and Russia. That’s the part people hate, not communism/socialism in general

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        Marxist-Leninism is NOT communism/socialism in general. that’s Stalin’s term for his own personal politics, or as the rest of us know it, Stalinism. the use of that word is an intentional trick to convince people who don’t know its origins or its specifics it’s something it isn’t

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          Yea that’s what I’m saying lol, ML is more of an authoritarian flavor OF communism/socialism, and the thing people hate the most. Marx’s part alone is decent, but then Lenin bastardized it and then later Stalin bastardized it even more

  • Rusty Shackleford
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    lemmy.ml, hexbear, and lemmygrad users verbally fellate contemporary and historical autocratic mass-murderers they deem to be “leftists”, or “great leaders and allies to the cause”, most recently being Vladimir Putin, Xi Jingping, and Kim Jong Un.

    They are, in reality, bitch-made invertebrates who don’t even have the arm-strength to lift their Molotov-sippy-cups out of their premium-outdoor-brand backpacks, let alone form meaningful opinions on economics, political philosophy, or geopolitical reality.

      • @[email protected]
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        Pound, check out Markdown syntax somewhere online. There’s a ton of different flavors, but most of the basics (headings/bold/italics/links/etc) are the same.

    • Diva (she/her)
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      hey look a post from a lib that’s so mad about internet forums not following the narrative that they can’t contain their homophobia and misogyny 📷

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        I’m gonna show your comment to my wife, and one of my best friends, at whose gay wedding, I will be speaking. Congrats! You’re in the speech! Let’s face it, we all need to laugh more in life, and judging by your reaction, I prefer to do it at your expense.

        So please, cry harder, because I need more material!

        🫶🏽🥂

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          ‘jokes on you, I have gay friends’

          -the person posting homophobia

          maybe you should read your comments first at your hypothetical wedding, see how it goes over.

          • Rusty Shackleford
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            maybe you should read your comments first at your hypothetical wedding, see how it goes over.

            I intend to! What a perfect moment to highlight the exploits of edgelords on the internet. I’m sure I’ll be strenuously heckled and ostracized for condemning and deriding supporters of Putin, the CCP, and the DPRK on the internet there.

            It’s in June, back home in Chicago, so it’ll be a joyous affair, of which you’re an expert of, no doubt.

            • Diva (she/her)
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              'verbally fellating" is kind of the tipoff

              the misogyny is the second paragraph

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                  ML has the reputation it does because most westerners believe the red scare propaganda.

                  most arguments against it by the aforementioned people have a shaky connection to reality at best.

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                As I’ve said before, it doesn’t matter if you suck dick or not. It does matter whose dick your sucking (proverbially), which in this case would be Putin, Jingping, et. al.

                • Diva (she/her)
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                  In the last year I saw way more people being supportive of genocidal libs like Biden and Harris, I judge those people pretty harshly too

              • @[email protected]
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                Everybody hear that? All fellatio is automatically gay. Anybody recieving or giving is gay, there is no such thing as a straight man and woman using their mouth during sex.

                Follow Diva for more Kremlin certified intercourse tips, and if you don’t follow Putin’s demands you will be sent to labor camps.

                • @[email protected]
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                  It’s true. Pretty sure I read that on an Andrew Tate post before I left Twitter, I believe he is some kind of gay authority?

    • @[email protected]
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      So I’m 100% on board with most of what you said but… What on earth does ‘bitch-made’ mean? It’s setting off my women-hating red flags.

      I googled it and scrolled down and got some garbage about a man raised by women, so I have concerns.

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        I agree, I don’t particularly care about shitting on Putin or any other world leader, it’s the thinly veiled misogyny/whatever at ‘enemies’ broadly with people gleefully encouraging it which makes me respond negatively

        • @[email protected]
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          Diva, we disagree on a lot of things, and we agree on others, which makes you (genuinely) so much fun for me to see in a thread.

          I just told people on another thread that (because of my trauma background) I don’t feel anger very often, which means I appreciate folks like you (and conversely, maybe, Rusty here) because I see you leap straight to it with abandon.

          I guess what I’m saying is, it takes all kinds to make a world, and I’m glad you’re in it.

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        Bitch-made, in the literal sense, as in “of ill birth from a mangy female dog”.

        I have heard it used in common street language where I’m from from both men and women, gay and straight.

        • @[email protected]
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          I appreciate your vehemence and the vigor with which you make your point, and also agree with your point. I only had issue with that particular insult because in my culture, it does initially read as misogynist. I figured I’d ask if you meant it that way because you probably didn’t.

      • @[email protected]
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        Yeah it’s a big trick because the ML owners are Tankie scum but they’re also the lead developers and I think the own the page which recommends instances.

    • Elrecoal19
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      So, tankies? At first I got attracted by the leftist/communist/socialist branding of the instance, but at the time the concept of fediverse was too complex for me when I first registered there so I deleted my account. I’m glad I did, then lol, supporting Putin, Xi, Kim just because they are “the left” is like supporting Hitler just because he is “the right”.

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      More of this weird mythological fearmongering. Absolutely nobody on any of those sites believe that Vladimir fucking Putin is a leftist. You are pulling this assertion straight from an uninformed ass.

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        The bad part is that they support him, whether or not they consider him a real leftist is less important

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          Ffs. Yes, supporting Russia’s invasion is a step too far. However, there is a valid point to be made regarding the West’s geopolitical maneuvers leading up to the invasion. NATO expanding east after promising not an inch further, supporting regime change in Ukraine, crossing more of Russia’s “red lines,” etc. Again, I want to stress that the invasion is morally reprehensible, but it’s clear why they did it from a geopolitical standpoint.

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            My dear downvoted friend! I think this perfectly answers @[email protected] question. If you have any viewpoint outside what is “political correct” you get downvoted, even just saying what the NATO Secretary General Jens “Warmonger” Stoltenberg gloated himself:

            So he went to war to prevent NATO, more NATO, close to his borders.

            So what are socialists to do? They can’t help it! And the only thing liberals hate more than fascists are socialists, especially the dirtbag left when they get a little snippy.

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            Nobody is talking about why Russia did what they did and realistically there’s nothing majorly wrong with NATO, it’s an alliance of mostly EU countries to band together to prevent another world war and to protect themselves from “another Germany” and Russia has done absolutely nothing over the past 20+ years to assure people that they won’t attack NATO EU countries. Quite the opposite in fact.

            In any case, I have them parroting Russia narratives/misinformation here: https://lemmy.world/post/27314050 here: https://lemmy.world/post/27012640 and here https://lemmy.world/post/27288224 shows censoring of people even merely express that EU is also right to be concerned of Chinese and Russian militaries on their front lawn

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              I agree there’s nothing inherently wrong with NATO, but I think you have some of the NATO basics wrong. NATO was very much an anti-Soviet and then anti-Russian alliance. There wouldn’t be a NATO if there wasn’t a Soviet Union, that’s not up for debate. Russia wanted to join NATO at one point, ffs. Russia has done a lot fairly recently to show they won’t attack NATO countries. For example, they attacked Georgia and then Ukraine to prevent them from joining NATO. Clearly they’re afraid of NATO and don’t want to fight it.

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                You’re very misinformed or just intentionally misrepresenting history here. If you think Russia was ever going to join nato in good faith even if allowed, you’re a silly child.

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                NATO was very much an anti-Soviet and then anti-Russian

                Right, because they were considered the biggest threat, if any country was going to go “Germany” it would be Russia/USSR.

                Russia wanted to join NATO

                That doesn’t prove anything, Russia excels at Intelligence programs, so if anything there were ulterior motives. “Russia. Crap military, fantastic intelligence agency” ~Some comment I saw here once.

                For example, they attacked Georgia and then Ukraine to prevent them from joining NATO. Clearly they’re afraid of NATO and don’t want to fight it.

                Are you serious? Attacking sovereign countries to show other sovereign countries in an alliance that you won’t attack them?

                Yea no, he doesn’t want to attack NATO yet, he wants to slow down its growth because he wants Russias military growth to outpace it first. Then when he feels good and ready then will be the attack.

                Unlike Drump, Putler isn’t stupid, he has a plan and he’s executing it. And a big thing about plans, you generally want to take certain actions at certain times

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                  Okay great, we agree on the first quote. Why’d you use Germany as an example instead of Russia?

                  Second point. You think Russia is super sneaky or something? If they were, then how’d they lose Ukraine and had to invade? They’re clearly lacking when compared to the West.

                  Third point, yeah, I’m serious. Russia won’t attack NATO. They clearly don’t want to fight NATO, hence preventing countries within their sphere of influence from joining NATO. Russia would get wrecked even if they somehow won. It’s not worth it and if NATO was somehow weak enough that Russia could win, then they wouldn’t need to fight. They could coerce/incentivize without invading.

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        Absolutely nobody on any of those sites believe that Vladimir fucking Putin is a leftist.

        I have seen evidence to the contrary.

        Those wannabe champions of labor are temporarily-inconvenienced-dictators-in-waiting.

  • @[email protected]
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    Because there’s not a lot of brain cells in .ml and they are confidently incorrect on a regular basis.

  • @[email protected]
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    .world got big mad that .ml users pointed out the genocide was a genocide and America was helping it