Be careful saying this around here, you’ll be labeled a lib, crucified, and stalked by tankies.
And don’t forget being called a Nazi genocide apologist lmao
Democrats main motive while in power is also to make money for themselves, in a less stupid and obnoxious way than Trump.
This meme is liberal propaganda, how the Democrats booming economy helped the average american ?
Spoiler it has not, but weapons manufacturers getting those billions of public spending to support Israël. And I’m sure the friendly and nice people that are Democrats do have so shares in them.
What a clown show they just have nothing to do and they’ll end up getting elected and doing the same thing. That is if the whole countries has not turned to civil war before the next election of course.
The difference between Democrats and Republicans is that Democrats look for long-term, stable corruption while Republicans want to get as much as they can as soon as possible.
real shit. i cannot believe that people are still praising the democrats and calling anyone left of center a “tankie”
Tankies are not left of center nor ever have been.
Bring it.
Same old song in every country. Trying to talk actual economics with someone who votes for the right shows how little they care about facts and how much their decisions are based on feelings and what they’re told by the people they consider their superiors.
Which is why you should never talk to any of them. It’s like playing chess with a pigeon.
Actually sweatie there’s no difference between liberals and conservatives, Trump isn’t doing anything the LIBS wouldn’t have done and minorities are no worse off than they were before, also Bernie is controlled opposition and a shitlib
/s
Literally had me going…
Can’t tell if you’re pretending to be maga or tankie
Is there a difference?
Thank fuck there’s some sense on this platform.
Edit: 🤣 Lemmy never fails me!
Tankies at least aren’t as racist, I guess.
Take a deeper look into the genocides the Communist countries did and are still doing. It’s very uncommon that a genocide isn’t racist.
Yeah, you’re right.
The libs who led us directly into fascism now have nothing to offer but sarcasm and condescension… Pretty typical. You forgot to blame the voters though.
There is a difference between the Biden and Trump administrations. One is an overt Nazi, the other is a Nazi collaborator.
Here I go again, taking the bait.
- Trump put the lie to the Democrats’ claims about wanting to end the war in Gaza
- The Democrats would never dare to upset Capital like Trump just did. (Trump will of course always capitulate in the end as he has done here)
- Bernie is old and tired. He says a lot of the right things but he keeps trying to work within the fully captured DNC.
- Minorities in the imperial core are surely worse off. It remains to be seen if Trump’s attacks on the soft power apparatus are sufficient to free the Global South from Western exploitation. (I am aware there is some actual aid in there with the labor suppression, coups and propaganda media. Both seem to be being dismantled)
- I doubt anyone could destroy USA’s international prestige and credibility as quickly as Trump has
Less taking bait and more leaving bait.
Interesting, what makes a comment “bait” in your view?
List of statements that you know will piss people off and make them argue.
And you are saying in your view that applies to my comment but not the comment I’m replying to?
Yeah, I think the comment you replied to would be more accurately be called trolling. It wasn’t specifically inviting a response, just being insulting.
Ok, I think that’s a fair enough description then. I found the caricature annoying and didn’t want to leave it unanswered
Here I go again, taking the bait.
- Trump put the lie to the Democrats’ claims about wanting to end the war in Gaza
lolwut. The guy literally said that Israel should “finish the job”.
- The Democrats would never dare to upset Capital like Trump just did. (Trump will of course always capitulate in the end as he has done here)
Lina Kahn has left the room.
- Bernie is old and tired. He says a lot of the right things but he keeps trying to work within the fully captured DNC.
Which is only fully captured because anti-electoralists/accelerationists approach to changing the party has been “we’ve tried nothing and we’re all out of ideas”.
- Minorities in the imperial core are surely worse off. It remains to be seen if Trump’s attacks on the soft power apparatus are sufficient to free the Global South from Western exploitation. (I am aware there is some actual aid in there with the labor suppression, coups and propaganda media. Both seem to be being dismantled)
“Cut one and we all bleed.”
I really think that “the imperial core” is pretty cringe, considering the imperialistic expansionist policies of the “AES” states (the big two are not socialist states). Both Russia and China are also driving hard on exploiting the global South and erosion of US soft power results in reducing checks on that as well as increasing the possibility of further hot wars.
Adding to that, removal of funding for vaccination and other health initiatives is a net negative for the global South. Really seems that you’re less supportive of developing nations and more just wanting the West to lose, even if it means everyone else in the world is wise off.
Forget it, Jake. It’s .ml town.
Ok! First off, thanks for engaging instead of the ol’ donvote-and-run
The guy literally said that Israel should “finish the job”.
Few things. First, don’t confuse words with actions (ESPECIALLY with Trump). He got the ceasefire done before even taking office.
Secondly, I definitely think he’s a soulless ghoul who would sell out the Palestinians for any reason or no reason at all. The point in this argument is that he exposed the blatant dishonesty of the Democrats.
Lina Kahn has left the room.
Like - good for her and the Biden White House for nibbling around the edges. Good thing they actually passed laws and not just regulations that will get immediately dismantled when the pendulum swings. In America, CAPITAL ALWAYS WINS
Which is only fully captured because anti-electoralists/accelerationists approach to changing the party has been “we’ve tried nothing and we’re all out of ideas”.
Unfortunately this one is frankly ridiculous. You literally think the arrow of causation goes in that direction instead of people becoming disillusioned after trying to make change inside the party? People try to make change, discover Capital is in complete control, and abandon “civility”.
“Cut one and we all bleed.”
I fully 100% endorse this statement. I lament the loss of lifesaving aid. I lament MORE the decades of self-determination that were stolen by the USA.
I really think that “the imperial core” is pretty cringe, considering the imperialistic expansionist policies of the “AES” states (the big two are not socialist states).
Are you an ultraleftist? Which countries have Capital on a leash and which countries are on Capital’s leash? Think carefully before answering.
Adding to that, removal of funding for vaccination and other health initiatives is a net negative for the global South.
Sure, if we are only counting that I fully agree. We haven’t even talked about the collapsing effect food aid has on local food economies.
Really seems that you’re less supportive of developing nations and more just wanting the West to lose, even if it means everyone else in the world is wise off.
I definitely want the West to lose, that’s not in question. The better question is: Is the Global South suffering because the US just hasn’t dropped enough rice out of C130s or because of decades of exploitation?
In America, CAPITAL ALWAYS WINS>
Pretty much sums up your entire philosophy and why no one takes tankies seriously. Literally leaving no room to discuss fixing America. You just want to destroy it which is clearly why you want Trump and will ignore every reasonable point. Stop being evil
Rejecting capitalism doesn’t equate to accepting authoritarianism, although many people seem to equate socialism with its authoritative flavor automatically.
There are other possibilities, like basic socialism, anarchism, and communitarianism.
Are you suggesting I equated the two? It seems you’re the one relating the two. You’re comment seems irrelevant to the point I’m making. I apologize if it I didn’t make it clear: I’m anti tankie, not pro capitalist
Pretty much sums up your entire philosophy and why no one takes tankies seriously.
Per your original comment, yes. Pro communist tankies aren’t the same as socialists. Wish more people wouldn’t make that equation.
It’d be like me saying that liberals are just MAGAts, when you clearly have different liberal factions like centrists and Social Democrats, and conservative factions like libertarians and fascists.
Pretty much sums up your entire philosophy and why no one takes tankies seriously.
Do you think Capital ever loses in the US? Do you think it could ever lose in the future? How would that come about?
Literally leaving no room to discuss fixing America.
I mean it’s really really bad. I don’t personally think it can be fixed without first acknowledging the atrocious history and deep structural contradictions, but it sounds like you disagree?
You just want to destroy it
I mostly want the American imperial period to end which is a different thing.
you want Trump
For the record I didn’t want him elected but I am quite amused by his bumbling teardown of the imperial project
and will ignore every reasonable point.
What reasonable point are you accusing me of ignoring?
Stop being evil
Evil is certainly in the eye of the beholder
Do you think Capital ever loses in the US?
The US literally started as a rebellion against the capital holders in England you dunce. Plantation owners of the South lost. Robber barons of the 1920s lost. There are countless incidents where does happen even if it’s not enough. You need go touch grass if that’s a genuine belief you have.
I don’t personally think it can be fixed without first acknowledging
Bullshit. You have zero interest in ever considering anything beyond “America bad”.
What reasonable point are you accusing me of ignoring?
There’s a post bringing up many that you just shrugged off already eg Dems supporting Lena Khan who made exceptional progress breaking up tech monopolies you clown.
Evil is certainly in the eye of the beholder
And the beholder would have to blind to think you are anything but a disingenuous monster that wants to push policy that hurts people. You’re an accelerationist. You are evil.
So much name-calling in this comment LOL.
The US literally started as a rebellion against the capital holders in England you dunce. (Cheap insult 1)
When Capital holders fight against each other, that’s not the same as fighting against Capital. The local ruling class instigated the revolution and richly benefited from its results.
Plantation owners of the South lost.
Yes, I think this is one of the few examples in American history where “assets” (human being slaves in this case) were forcibly repatriated from the ruling class
Robber barons of the 1920s lost.
Yes, I believe that for all his other faults FDR faced down the fascist coup and actually did some progressive policies. The Democratic party has thoroughly squandered that legacy for 70 years
There are countless incidents where does happen even if it’s not enough. You need go touch grass if that’s a genuine belief you have. (Cheap insult 2)
Can you kindly tell me a substantial policy win that has weakened Capital in the last 70 years?
Bullshit. You have zero interest in ever considering anything beyond “America bad”.
So you actually know what I believe and desire? How fascinating
There’s a post bringing up many that you just shrugged off already eg Dems supporting Lena Khan who made exceptional progress breaking up tech monopolies you clown. (Cheap insult 3)
Pray tell what tech monopoly did she break up?
And the beholder would have to blind to think you are anything but a disingenuous monster that wants to push policy that hurts people. You’re an accelerationist. You are evil.
This is just a lot of projection and backlash. It seems you have literally no idea what I believe or what my policy preferences are, yet you are more than happy to assign me MAXIMUM EVIL in your worldview. Do you think that could be because of the propaganda you have been subjected to your whole life?
Trump did Capital a favor by A. Dismantling Consumer Protection Agencies B. Destroying regulations left and right C. Doing a 180 on coal and oil D. Dismantling labour laws
Surely the dems are just as bad.
- Minorities in the Imperial core are worse off. Hey, at least you can acknowledge that
Now, i am sure People in global south are happy about finally not having access to Aids medication or famine relief :) cool.
Now they can just safely drop into the arms of Russian or Chinese Influence. Like we have seen in West Africa, where the situation for people has improved by exactly 0% since the dictators in power are now backed by Russia.
Trump ended the war in Gaza? Funny, to my knowledge, the genocide is continuing.
Trump did Capital a favor by A. Dismantling Consumer Protection Agencies B. Destroying regulations left and right C. Doing a 180 on coal and oil D. Dismantling labour laws
I certainly agree that all those policies favor Capital.
Surely the dems are just as bad.
The Democrats haven’t struck a real blow against Capital since FDR. The pattern is basically: they do something small with great fanfare, leave a bunch of carve outs for friendly interests, then roll over once there is any resistance. I invite you to provide a counter example from the past 70 years
- Minorities in the Imperial core are worse off. Hey, at least you can acknowledge that
Glad we agree.
Now, i am sure People in global south are happy about finally not having access to Aids medication or famine relief :) cool.
This has been discussed elsewhere in this thread. Here’s a fun piece to add: Which president started the global AIDS initiative?
Now they can just safely drop into the arms of Russian or Chinese Influence. Like we have seen in West Africa, where the situation for people has improved by exactly 0% since the dictators in power are now backed by Russia.
Do we actually know what the material conditions are on the ground in the new Sahel states? Seems we have been subject to a media blackout about it. I’m personally cautiously optimistic because of their strong stance against neocolonialism but we have very little information. It’s also worth pointing out that despite Russia and China being close strategic allies at the world level, their foreign policies are wildly different.
Trump ended the war in Gaza? Funny, to my knowledge, the genocide is continuing.
What’s actually funny is how the libs in this thread keep missing my actual point. I definitely never said he ended the war, but he did get the ceasefire done that Joe Biden claimed to have been working on for years. Donald Trump claims to not give a shit about the Palestinians yet got the ceasefire done. Joe “Proud Zionist” Biden claims to care about the plight of the Palestinians yet did less to end their suffering. The point is that Democratic lip service is often worse or equivalent to the Republicans’ more honest cruelty, especially in foreign policy
Actually sweatie
actually sweatie
However true this is, the fascists simply do not care about truth.
It might have been nice if Ol Biden had actually given a shit about the coup attempt and pushed to have the people at the top of the food chain tried for it. We might have avoided this whole situation if Trump had been tried while he was still persona non grata. Instead, his admin chose to treat it like any other criminal enterprise instead of the existential threat it was. Now we are all paying for it and I doubt the country will survive.
They be brainwashed by the education system.
I was taught that if a bully bullies you, you’re supposed to not fight back, and only talk to the adults who will give them a stern warning.
The adult version is going to the police/courts and reporting someone for harassement.
The politician version is just apointing someone in the “middle” of your party and the opponent party’s political views (Merrick Garland) and then don’t do much investigation because it would seem like “persecuting political opponents”, or breaks “norms and traditions”
Like motherfucker, if a bully hit me, I’ll beat his/her ass (arrest trump). If I ran a school club, I’m gonna ban them (14th amendment disqualification). If was doing group projects, I’m fucking kicking them out, or I’ll leave and just do it myself (secession).
Fuck the BS school admin “just ignore the bully”
Fuck that, beat the bully. If everyone just beat up the school bully on sight, they wouldn’t be bullying any longer.
So, so, so very right on, dude. This is the situation, and that is the answer.
Biden was too old or naive to recognize that the era of civility in politics was over. At the very least, SCOTUS ruling that presidents are essentially kings should’ve kicked him in the ass. I guess thx for the economy Joe, but it wasn’t nearly enough.
the era of civility in politics was over
I’m not sure that’s the case, though of course the demented rapist in office is a hell of an argument for it. I just think he’s the worst possible combination of huckster, narcissist, dementia sufferer, and russian intelligence. So far, yes, yes.
Rational discussion still exists, and it can be about politics - just not with any of these pithed clowns in power.
IMO the civility era has been over at LEAST since Turtle McConnell made it his mission to block everything he could coming from a black president.
I would say it would go far back as shit heel Newt Gingrich as the Speaker.
These people are co-workers and collaborators. They’re not putting each other in jail.
Yeah, agreed, but I think he’s at fault for not wanting to appear to use the justice system to attack political rivals. The fact that Garland was a slack@$% mf or that Aileen Canon is a cunt non-pariel isn’t his fault, but it sure added to the turd circus we got dropped on us.
And of course hindsight is 20/20.
Thank you for posting this. Helps us build block lists of the cunts.
If that quiet old man hadn’t decided to try to cling to power despite no longer being fit to hold the office, we might not even be in this predicament.
I’m not sure it would have helped. 2 Democrats haven’t been elected into office back to back since before the Civil War.
You’re missing a little genocide factor and a shitloads of unkept promises here
Yeah, the “leftifts” that didn’t show up for those “reasons” are as bad as the magatards and bear the same responsibility. As a leftist myself (not in US though) I curse the absurdism of leftist politicians and electors and their puritanical behavior that can’t seem to do real politics.
It’s quite paradoxical; right, an ideology about them-vs-us being such united and left, an ideology (at least theoretically) about camaradery being such divided
You want them to keep voting for the lesser evil until eternity with both evils moving further to the right every election, got it?
Nothing absurd there.Harm reduction is better than nothing. Yes, I fucking do, then I want them to vote for better people on a local level as they have the option to do. First reduce risk of further harm. Then treat the wound.
It’s crazy that you would rather have a dictatorship than a centralist .
Yeah, like you vote the mediocre and not fascist candidate and you can still protest. But if you vote (or don’t participate) the fascist one then you’ll not be able to protest and suddenly the genocide might be coming home.
Both parties keep moving to the right becuase voters keep rewarding right by wing behaviour. You get the politicians you vote for
Well that’s what I said
I noticed this year before already too, and if you look at the graphs it’s just impossible to understand how much of an idiot you have to be to vote Republican.
Then Sarah Palin came by and it really showed bottom of the barrel, or so I thought.
Now we’re here…
“When I wasn’t directly affected things were good!” Do better, guys.
“When things were better, things were better” is a bad thing to say now?
Better for who? The homeless? The poor? The non white? The queer? The women? Oh yeah things were better for everyone and that sets the standard of bad now.
Things WERE better for queer people and women, what the fuck? Under biden it was getting better rights were being strengthened.
They said better. Not good.
They literally were better. They were not perfect. They weren’t even good in a lot of cases. But they were better for these marginalized folks.
Politics should be boring
Dr Wong said it best “it’s maintenance, like wiping you ass or taking a shower”
Joe Biden was a perfect example of how delegating authority to the right technocrats, and then standing back and staying out of the way is the best form of executive leadership. I legitimately have no idea why he gets so much hate even from his own party.
I voted for him and was honestly expecting worse.
He has the same problem I have at work. When everything is going well, no one really knows. The servers keep running and everyone is happy with IT, but after a while, people start to question what it is we are doing.
Just because Trump is terrible it doesn’t make Biden any better. We’re talking about a genocide enabler here. Ffs.
Followed by another genocide enabler. Your math sucks.
Not at all. I’m simply pointing out Biden sucks.
You should
The evangelist voting block forces any potential candidate to be pro Israel.
Biden was fine. Not great, not bad. Just fine.
Trump is the worst president in the history of America. Unbelievable he was voted in twice.
No. Biden wasn’t fine. Because we don’t call people who support and enable genocide as “fine” we call them bad.
But what it seems like to me is that a lot of people only care when it effects them, they don’t care when it’s people outside their country or some brown people somewhere.
I mean, Clinton just happened to be the ass in the seat when the Dotcom boom hit…
Every economic action he took led us to today’s shit show, especially campaign finance reform
And Biden was the ass in the seat after COVID.
Stop acting like people who actively and quantifiably worse were great just because their poor policy wasn’t bad enough to stop things they had zero control over.
Blind worship is for Republicans
Clinton raised taxes on the wealthy and cut defense spending, also boosted the earned income tax credit. All of which helped get money moving. But Gramm-Leach-Bliley was a Bad Idea, and NAFTA deeply flawed.
Huh, I never knew Clinton was the president to lead us into a two decade plus war we lost and wasted trillions and trillions of dollars on.
Edit: Fuck the Clintons BTW, but don’t act like it was just libs to lead us to where we are today.
Oh no! This candid human moment between two men is surely proof of liberal embrace of fascism! How could I have been so wrong as to not see it when it’s so simple and the proof is in this photo!
Ikr, for all we know Obama is laughing at him.
Similarly havent noticed the suffering caused by neoliberalism?
Pick a topic and I will show you proof of the rights hand in at least one group of people suffering because of them.
So the right hand has taken part in all the atrocities. Glad you see that. Does the left hand provide an alternative? or is the offer an empty gesture?
We are more likely to comply when one of the oppressors acts sympathetic. Good Cop + Bad Cop
