I thought FUD was a cryptobro term.
Not just PTB stupid PTB
Putting this here for anyone who needs to see it:
A community on an instance =/= the actual instance, nor is it an endorsement by the instance.
Anyone can start any community they wish on HC, so long as they stick to the rules.
A community on an instance =/= the actual instance, nor is it an endorsement by the instance.
Putting this here for anyone who needs to see it: If you are on an instance that allows Nazis and/or Nazi communities then you are on a Nazi instance.
Doesn’t tolerating capricious and censorious moderation violate the principles you seem to be implicitly defending? I don’t really understand this mentality of neutrality towards authoritarian behavior.
I don’t like it, but I’m not there to moderate communities. What I care about is my instance rules being adhered to. This is why I point out that anyone is free to start their own community and moderate it as they see fit.
There is no universal way to moderate a community, you are going to piss someone off no matter how you do it. If I got personally involved, then all communities would be my communities - that’s really not good, nor feasible.
I can’t help it, I keep getting drawn back in. I was curious about what your TOS actually are, and as it happens the content you say you are helpless to moderate actually does violate your site’s terms of service. Under “Content Restrictions”, it forbids “False information.”
From your number 2 community, top of the front page, not even far down:
- “El Salvador Blocks Sen. Van Hollen’s Visit with Deported Illegal Alien” - He wasn’t deported (since that’s a legal process, which was not followed in this case), and also, he had legal status in the US.
- “Young people are now overwhelmingly Republican” - The underlying survey reported that there is a selected age range (18-21) and a selected question (who you support in the 2026 congressional election) which you can select to eke out a 12-point lead for the Republican answer to the question. However, the young people who consider themselves liberal outnumber the self-identified conservatives by 16 points overall. There are other questions (Trump’s favorability rating) which show an even more marked liberal shift in young people overall. The headline is only true if you adopt laughably specific or wrong definitions of all three of the phrases “young people”, “overwhelmingly”, and “Republican”. Otherwise, it is objectively false. The self-identified party ID actually was collected (for purposes of weighting), but for some reason it is not published what the breakdown was. I’d be curious to see it.
Again: This is why people don’t like your conduct here. Having a political viewpoint is fine. I’m fine with conservative people. When someone starts objectively lying to prop up their views, people will start to view them as malicious and someone who’s taking a “oh ho I can’t get involved” attitude to giving them a platform as also malicious. When it’s not just objectively untrue, but also engineered to produce dangerous or deadly results in the real world, that’s where people will simply not want it around. Pretty firmly.
Sorry if it seems like I’m just trying to argue with you. Again, you seem like you at least deserve the benefit of the doubt and complete explanation, since nothing you’re saying seems crazy or obviously malicious, like you think this is good instance-admin philosophy. I’m taking time to present the alternative view. If you were hosting a conservative community, but also making it clear that open and deliberate propaganda was not welcome, then I think you’d be fine. But, of course, such a community would be a nightmare to try to define and police in practice, and if the effort was at all successful, then all the “conservatives” of the modern US variety wouldn’t want to be there. Which is exactly the problem.
I am not helpless to moderate, I don’t want to moderate communities. Are you suggesting that I should be an authoritarian admin? I offer an instance where people, such as yourself, can start their own communities and run them as they like.
Both of those are links to external articles. These links are posted on content aggregator platforms for the purpose of debate. Some people will agree with them, others, like you, will argue against them. That is fine, and not a violation of any rules.
Both of those are links to external articles. These links are posted on content aggregator platforms for the purpose of debate. Some people will agree with them, others, like you, will argue against them. That is fine, and not a violation of any rules.
Yeah, but you set the rules. You explained, just now, that you just don’t feel like it’s proper to tell people how to moderate. That’s fine. I would suggest that you stop blaming “the rules” for this decision. That’s why I got confused, I thought you were doing the lemmy.world thing of treating “the rules” as something you were required somehow to obey. If you just don’t want to police this stuff off your instance, then fine, I get that. Just own up to it being your decision (as you’ve now done, so now I get it). You make the rules. You’ve decided how to make them.
Are you suggesting that I should be an authoritarian admin? I offer an instance where people, such as yourself, can start their own communities and run them as they like.
Maybe an analogy would help.
If you go to a city, and it’s a authoritarian police state, that’s bad. That’s lemmy.ml. The admins just tell people what viewpoints they can and can’t have, ban people at the drop of a hat, it’s just a stupid endeavor. Don’t do that.
If you go to a city, and it’s totally lawless and the police don’t do shit, that’s also bad. You can get shot, there are muggings and assaults constantly, your car will get broken into. Most people on Lemmy, I think, would prefer not to go to that neighborhood. Put a pin in that.
If you go to a city, and the police are just kind of weird, you get hassled for jaywalking or asked for ID for random reasons, but then other things clearly seem criminal and the police don’t care, that’s bad. That’s lemmy.world. The moderation isn’t exactly “authoritarian” but it isn’t competent either. Major crimes get handled, it’s not unsafe, but things aren’t real well-organized.
If you go to a city, and it’s just normal, you can walk around and go to shops, but if you break in someone’s car the police come and arrest you, that’s good. IDK, maybe I am going to trigger some Lemmy people by implying that the police are ever a beneficial presence, but that’s how I see it. That’s how I think most good instances aspire to be. I would define that as lemm.ee, sh.itjust.works, that sort of place. You can start a conservative community, you can be a conservative person or moderator. It is fine. You have freedom. But also, part of that freedom is being protected against certain conduct. It happens that, for some reason, the people with modern-US-conservative views cannot manage over the long term to avoid doing that type of conduct, and so eventually they inevitably tend to get banned and have to find new places.
I’m saying that your instance sounds like it’s too much along the lines of the second city. It’s just that no one wants to deal with that shit. Again, it has nothing to do with the viewpoint, at least on reasonable instances. It’s just that after the 200th post of something that is just made-up nonsense in service of racism or the murder of democracy, or the 200th time someone attacks you for made-up reasons and then is hostile and randomly evasive about any type of fact-based discussion about it, people start to recognize the signs. The people with that behavior have outstayed their welcome. And, for whatever reason, modern US conservatives seem to self-select themselves into this weird little bubble where they just like to tell each other outlandish lies, agree with each other, misrepresent themselves to “win” discussions, and attack anyone who tries to talk with them. Actually, that all applies also to a lot of the far-left Lemmy instances also, which is why I don’t fuck with them either.
I actually don’t like that conservative views get objected to constantly, and any conservative community just gets laughed at and dunked on. It’s not balanced. I have some conservative views. Not many but a few. One example is that I think, in general in the modern day in the US, the police are fine. Not always (and there are other parts of the system that need a ton of work) but most of the time. I regularly get downvoted to oblivion from time to time when that comes up. That’s fine, it doesn’t bother me. No one that I can remember has ever censored me for it. I do actually get moderated sometimes when I am a cockhead, but as far as I can remember that’s never actually overlapped with me saying any conservative view.
The issue is not viewpoint. The issue is conduct. Posting laughably incorrect racist propaganda and promoting it, for some reason, seems to overlap with a way of interacting with other users that eventually gets people banned. For some reason. You may not intending to welcome that conduct by welcoming the laughable racist propaganda, but (a) it’s weird that you want to go to bat to make a safe place for people to make communities of that stuff and then expect any other people to want to interact with that place (b) I think you should realize that it’s going to come along with some conduct which you definitely don’t want either.
I am not blaming the rules, I am saying they aren’t breaking them.
As an admin, I don’t want to be an authoritarian. That is a choice that I am making purposefully. I could choose to ban whatever I dislike, but this whole Lemmy thing can’t work if every admin just inserts their political viewpoint into everything.
It is not up to me to decide what makes a good conservative, or democrat, or socialist, or car enthusiast, or whatever else. If someone wants to create a community where only content that praises Cthulhu is allowed, then that is their prerogative. All I care about is that they stick to my instance rules.
Everyone is equally welcome here. If you think that this particular Conservative community is biased or too heavily moderated, then you can always start your own - in fact I encourage you to. You could run a conservative community on HC and moderate it however you want. What I will not do is ban other people for you.
I feel like it’s just repeating at this point. I tried.
“SatansMaggotyCumFart”
What the hell is even that?
I mean, it is quite clearly described.
Four word poetry
You are just fart biased.
I’m biased towards a lot of things. This is definitely one of them.
I am willing to believe there is MASSIVE overlap between cryptobros and lemmy’s right-wing users.
The venn diagram between right-libertarians, cryprobros and alt-right fascists is practically a circle
Libertarians and crypto bros are both fans of the government and regulation when it helps them.
Calling the libertarians fascists that’s a new one
N=1 but I’ve known several (family members, actually) who used “libertarian” to say they were pro-guns and pro-weed, and on every other topic, they’re ring-wing fascist assholes.
It’s been pretty well documented how certain elements of the right love to twist and distort any label they can get their hands on.
What’s wrong with pro gun and pro weed?
Thankfully the left doesn’t twist and distort any label they can get their hands on.
lol come on. You aren’t even trying.
The worst part is, they are trying
But it’s so clumsy and artless!
Who are some high-profile US libertarians you know of? I’d be happy to take a look at their views and I can pretty much guarantee that I would be able to find some important fascist ones. I’m even telling you in advance that that’s what I plan to do, so you can be careful in which high-profile libertarians you want to name.
self-proclaimed libertarians but not actually libertarians in any way
“Logs”
Oh look it’s Fondant.
:shakes_fist:
You preemptively made a screenshot?
I mean it’s clear that it was justified
That was right after it was removed sometimes the timestamps get a little strange on Voyager unless I reset the app.
Yeah, hilariouschaos is a bit of a special instance.
Several instances recognize it as a rebrand of the infamous explodingheads instance. I suggest admins defed and users block it.
I wasn’t expecting their admin to come here to try and say it’s not lol
Everyone points to old posts by a user who claimed that - a user who has long left when they realized it wasn’t what HC was about.
My reply in this thread provides an explanation: https://hilariouschaos.com/post/757356/302134
That is blatantly false, spread by people who can’t understand why an instance wouldn’t censor based on political lines.
HC has never been anything like exploding heads.
You’re a 2 day old account with the same username as HC’s admin. Your only posts/comments on your account are in defense of that instance. I hardly consider you an unbiased or trustworthy source based on my experiences with that instance.
Thank you. I’m a proactive blocker so the heads-up is appreciated.
He is one of the HC admins. LW defeds them.
Oh. I thought they did.
They are defederated from dbzer0.
Yes, in a comment of mine immediately up this chain, I linked to a site showing that dbzer0 has censured HC.
I felt that the HC admin was not forthcoming enough about their identity when using their alt to defend HC, since most users won’t know the name of admins of instances apart from maybe their own and even less likely those of notable instances or defeded instances. To most users, Splinter would just seem to be an average Joe on Lemmy without any particular affiliation with HC, since in their comments they did not immediately state something to the effect of “I’m an admin of HilariousChaos. Yada yada yada”.
I am one of the admins of HC, using this account so everyone can see what I have to say.
I am telling you that you are welcome to start any kind of community on HC (within the generic site rules) and be welcomed the same as everyone else. You can moderate it however you wish. HC (the instance) does not take political sides.
Yeah… You should take sites, though. (Take the one that cares about human rights)
At least you’re saying it outright.
I suggest that most people in this thread are ultimately upset that we don’t take their side. It’s a bit ironic on a federated platform.
Lol maybe if “your” side didn’t want to remove rights and freedoms, and install fascist dictators, you’d have a point
I suggest that most people in this thread are ultimately upset that we don’t take their side.
Yep. Lemmy doesn’t like to admit that they are just as hateful and anti-diversity as the very people they say they are fighting against.
Plenty of Lemmy posters openly call for death of republicans. It’s sickening.
So then you’re a nazi bar. Got it
Can you point to which content you believe is nazi?
I went on there for about 30 seconds and found a “The Donald” successor with UniversalMonk posting a little stream of total fantasy about how good the tariffs are and how Trump is going to save us.
I think now that the literal concentration camps are up and running, and people are going into them, it’s time to say that the modern Republican regime is today’s Nazi Party.
I’m actually fine with talking with a Republican online or in person, maybe I’m in the minority here in that. But we’ve all learned from experience that, at least in its current anonymous-online-forum behavior, that openly pro-Nazi contingent is never just looking to have a conversation and be reasonable about expressing what they honestly believe because they think it’s helping the country as a whole, and come to understanding. They’re always going to start threatening people over DMs after a while. They’re always going to post a steady stream of total fantasy, which they don’t actually believe or try to defend, just to try to manipulate the landscape by having it exist as a little offensive torrent which helps them in their work. They’re always going to manipulate the narrative and censor opposing speech in spaces they control. “Free speech” is always going to turn out to be a fiction once it’s speech they don’t agree with. Because that is their ideology: That it’s okay to cheat as long as you’re on their team, and the other team doesn’t deserve any type of human rights.
“Free speech” doesn’t mean one moderator can run their forum however they want. It doesn’t mean we have to listen to one person forever, however much they want to say, but they don’t have to listen to us if they don’t want to. It doesn’t work the way you’re saying it does. It’s a philosophy of freedom of ideas. It’s a shared social contract that comes with obligations, not just grants of what you’re allowed to do. It’s the idea that you may not agree with someone, but you need to hear them out and then engage honestly with what they’re saying. That we need to live together and protect the weakest or “wrongest” among us. That being a society as free humans with our inalienable rights is more important than our team winning. It’s not a set of code that provides everyone write access to the space, or a total-openness-of-moderation policy. It is a commitment to the idea that if we talk honestly with each other and respect each other, even if we don’t agree about something, we’ll be able to work it out, because even someone who you think is wrong as hell might have a point. The crucial piece you’re missing is that it has to cut both ways. Someone who’s claiming the shield, has to be also willing to provide the same shield to others in the space, and otherwise it is completely fair not to welcome them. That’s why every public servant has to swear an oath to the constitution. The oath is not “Now that I’m in charge I solemnly swear to do whatever the fuck I want, until someone else gets in charge and they can do the same to me.”
If someone’s not on board for it cutting both ways, but they’re hijacking some kind of open tool or democratic public space to make a pretense that they do so they can advance their agenda of killing or imprisoning their enemies and shutting down democracy in a place it used to exist, most reasonable people will tell them to get the fuck out. That’s not censorship. It’s self-defense. It’s the same as ejecting from a public meeting someone who blows hard on a whistle every time their opponents try to speak, passes them notes that they might be killed or their house burned down if they keep talking, and then stands up with a quavering voice and swears their commitment to open society and freedom, and says they can’t understand all these people who are aiming such hateful behavior at them because they said they were a bad person. I can easily find examples of all of that on your instance, I can be specific if you want me to. Do you want me to?
I’m not trying to bully you or your instance or anything personal towards you. But you guys have suffered reputational harm at this point because you’ve welcomed people who are actively trying to do harm to the rest of us. Not just harm but literal death and literal imprisonment. A lot of us, I assume, are thinking about fleeing the country, getting weapons to defend ourselves. A lot of us are real fucking worried about friends and family. We’re wondering what the fuck we even do now. We’re within our rights to want nothing more to do with you, if you welcome the viewpoint that all of that is okay. Or, not even that: If you welcome people who are okay lying about their own viewpoint and manipulating the space to try to advance that work and make it more effective.
Like I say: There is a genuine viewpoint that’s adjacent to what you’re saying that I agree with. I don’t think most of the Republican rank-and-file is our enemy (even if we might wind up in a war with them soon, depending). I don’t think shutting out particular honest political viewpoints is the way. I think we have to be able to talk to each other to even be able to begin to approach and heal from this fucking chasm in our society. It goes deeper than just the current Republican regime. But, like I say, once we get back down the rank-and-file level of individual people:
It
Has
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Buddy if you can’t click a link and read a simple definition, I don’t know what to tell you. I didn’t say you have specific nazi content, I said you are suffering from the nazi bar problem.
Special
Is that what we’re calling it?
Didn’t know much about hilariouschaos, but it’s definitely an instance I will be blocking after reading this thread. Any instance willing to put up with nazis should be shunned and other instances should defederate from them.
Edit: Apparently I already blocked the instance when I joined lemmy. Go figure.
You are spreading lies, HC does not put up with nazis. You will notice that nobody can seem to find any nazi content, despite claims that we are literally a nazi bar.
You’re missing the point.
The “Nazi bar” analogy has nothing to do with literal Nazis except by way of explanation. People tried to explain this to you already.
The point is, when you allow people into your space who nobody wants anything to do with (and specifically because they will tend to attack those people and also they believe they are subhuman), you have decided that your space will be only for those people. Because everyone else will leave. If you don’t want that to happen, don’t let those people into your space. Up to you.
places like .world are also Nazi bars though
when you allow people into your space who nobody wants anything to do with (and specifically because they will tend to attack those people and also they believe they are subhuman)
this is /u/cm0002 in case you were wondering
Wow, so you’ve resorted to just straight up lying about other users now LMAO
Gee I wonder why you don’t directly link to the comment I supposedly said
Oh, because it doesn’t exist
I wouldn’t say nobody wants you in .world….
Your joking, right? Or am I missing something l?
So diva basically just straight up lied to you, I never even said what ever they’re referencing lol here:
If it was true they would have directly linked the comment
But diva is a known Tankie of .ml, lying about other users isn’t even the worst they do, here check this comm for documentation of the shenanigans .ml tankies get up to: [email protected]
I got confused (multiple times), but, yes. It does seem Diva is stereotypical tankie.
Note how they also love victimizing themselves.
People who spend all their time punching left when the US secret police are straight up disappearing people from the streets and sending them to a concentration camp should be treated like the Nazis they are, yes.
Ok, I misunderstood what you were saying. I thought you were saying cm0002 is a Nazi or something like that.
I disagree with the characterization of LW, but at least now I correctly understand what you are saying. 😀
feel free to disagree with it, from where I’m standing they are, and he is
Lol “punching left” nah I just don’t subscribe to the idea of replacing capitalism authoritarianism with “left flavored” authoritarianism that the tankies push so hard for
[email protected] for documentation
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tankie
Tankie is a pejorative label generally applied to authoritarian communists, especially those who support or defend acts of repression by such regimes, their allies, or deny the occurrence of the events thereof.
It all makes sense now.
I’ve called them out before on their bs, but only got downvotes for it.
I’ve tried searching through my inbox looking for interactions between us but wasn’t able to find anything, but my inbox is rather…extensive and there’s no inbox searching tools AFAIK lol
Considering diva just straight up lied (see below), id like to review this disagreement we had myself
Tagging on this comment so people can see. HC is not exploding heads remastered lol idk why you ppl are obsessed with wanting it to be. I guess y’all are hard pressed on wanting an enemy or something? And that’s what I don’t understand.
I’m jumping in here to pretty much explain what HC is and why it was created. (Alice site admin here)
Let’s clear a few things up about HilariousChaosHC.
I know some of you are under the impression that Hilarious Chaos is somehow tied to Exploding Heads. It’s not. It never was. And it never will be. I’m sorry to disappoint you if that’s what you were hoping for, but it’s just not true.
Hilarious Chaos actually started as a WordPress site—a space for me to share the silly, ridiculous videos I make. The move to Lemmy happened for one simple reason: Lemmy has mobile apps, and I prefer using Android apps over websites. WordPress doesn’t have an Android app that works the way I want it to, so we migrated.
If any of you took five seconds to browse our communities, you’d see what Hilarious Chaos is really about:
Sloth Me
Christie’s Perspective
Governor Chris Christie’s Solo Videos
Farts and Poop
Shitty Ass Hilarious Chaos
Random Shit - Stock Talk Videos
One on One
The Delicate Daisy Den
What do all of those have in common? Pure silliness. This instance wasn’t created for political tribalism. It was created as a playground for my bizarre humor.
As we federated, people started projecting onto us—spreading this weird narrative that we’re somehow the reincarnation of Exploding Heads. We’re not. Exploding Heads is gone. Its not coming back. Move on.
Now, if we’re being really honest here, a lot of this drama comes down to one thing: Hilarious Chaos allows conservative content. We don’t allow Nazis. We don’t allow hate speech. But yes—we allow conservatives to post and speak like everyone else. And that rubs some of you the wrong way. So instead of being upfront and saying, “I don’t like that this instance allows conservatives,” you spin these false narratives.
If you’re gonna criticize, at least be honest about what you’re mad about.
Hilarious Chaos allows conservative content.
Assuming you mean american conservativism then seems like the criticism is justified.
They do and it is.
I’ve literally messaged you about Nazi content on your instance and you ignored me. Nice fucking try.
You’re right on most of that, but the few conservatives flood the news and politcs communities there.
Avoiding a few other ones, the instance is fine.
And it’s easy to block and avoid those communites if you don’t like them.
Don’t forget that they’re also one of the few remaining instances that let ban-evading trolls create alt characters and pretend to be someone else without question.
I wouldn’t know. I’m not obsessed with trying to figure out if people have alts, but as far as I know, I’ve never come across that there.
If you’re gonna criticize, at least be honest about what you’re mad about.
I think about 80-90% of the criticisms here are, very openly and honestly, because of the “conservative” content on HC. Personally, I noted the relationship between the two, but I honestly don’t give too much of a shit what the instance used to be or what it is called now.
I tried at quite a bit of length to explain to splinter what the issue was. Conservative viewpoints are allowed. I guess. Although they’re obviously unpopular, no one will stop you from making a community full of “Stephen Miller’s immigration policies are a really good idea” and “Trump negotiated cease-fires in Gaza and Ukraine, what a wonderful job he is doing.” What you guys are asking for is:
- To be able to provide a safe space for those things, and correspondingly for people who have been ejected from other forums because their interpersonal behavior on Lemmy is about as gross as you’d expect from a person who believes those things. Which means inevitably your instance is going to be pretty much only that aside from your own content.
- To also be popular
That’s not going to happen. Innocent people are getting snatched up and getting shipped to turbo-prison to stay for life for no reason at all. Pretty soon if things continue they’re going to be dying and US citizens are going to be included in the ones getting snatched (more so than they are already). If you’re okay providing a platform for the people doing that, including for deliberate professionally-crafted lies that are trying to smokescreen the whole operation so that it can continue without reasonable people rising up to put a stop to it, people are going to get disgusted by you. If you’re okay with that, cool. If not, but you’re still doing those things, I’m not sure what to tell you.
Well said!
They’re a troll instance. Think 4Chan but without the wit.
Hilarious chaos is more about chaos than hilarity. I’m so glad we can filter instances in Voyager.
The chaos is pretty hilarious.
If you’re 12.
I thought FUD was a cryptobro term.
fyi: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fear,_uncertainty,_and_doubt
the similar formulation “doubts, fears, and uncertainties” first appeared in 1693.
Wasn’t bitcoin invented in 1691 though?
DFU doesn’t have the same ring to it though.
Oh shit, I forgot about that!
I saw someone say that Hilarious Chaos is just a rebranding of Exploding Heads and it started making sense as to why it looked so familiar. I blocked them.
Well that someone was simply wrong. HC is not a rebrand of anything, we just don’t censor based on political lines.
Anyone is welcome to start any kind of community they wish on HC and moderate as they see fit, within instance rules.
Lol. You are making this argument…in a thread showing actual proof that you censor based on political lines.
Ever heard of the Streisand Effect??? Idiot.
Tbf, they said that the instance doesn’t censor based on political lines, while on the other hand the communities on it can “moderate as they see fit”.
It’s a loophole.
Possibly still worth defederating, but not based solely on the comment you responded to.
So where do we petition to add them to the mass defederation list with exploding heads?
Wait, isn’t kbin.melroy.org a kbin rebrand of the exploding heads Lemmy instance?
You are fucking pathetic.
False chucklefuck the clown banned me because I called out their hypocrisy
As so often happens:
“We’re just tired of these THOUGHT POLICE and want to make a place where we can finally just hang out and be comfortable without the fun police hanging over our shoulders censoring every word we’re free speech warriors come join us we’re better”
Turned out to mean:
“I want to be an asshole, you have no rights whatsoever, that’s a given and fuck you, and if anyone EVER infringes on any of my rights real or imagined in any way no matter how trivial, I will throw a hissy fit of truly thermonuclear proportions”
HC is not exploding heads. The actions of a community do not represent the instance itself.
You are welcome to start your own community on HC and moderate it as you see fit.
The actions of a community do not represent the instance itself.
Yeah, no, they do. That’s kind of the point of administration. By allowing actions to take place on the instance, those actions can become representative of the instance. The fact that you’re an inattentive or uncaring administrator doesn’t absolve you of the actions taken under your watch.
But then they’d have to have a community there? Idk why anyone would want to have one there
What’s wrong with having a community there? What are you afraid of?
Being associated with it. Or anything possiblely associated with crypto or nazis
By the same logic you would have to start a perpetual witch hunt on all instances - after all, they could be anywhere.
HC (the instance) does not support any side of the political debate. I guess that’s intolerable.
it’s too political to be against nazis isn’t great argument for getting people there
We do not tolerate content that a nazi would post (e.g. calls for violence, discrimination based on race, etc).
What do you understand by “nazi”?
implying Nazis are just a “side of the political debate”
Elsewhere in this thread, accusing the enemy of doing exactly what they are doing.
Emphasizes to the point of nausea that they are categorically neutral and unbiased
Twisting words, appeal to ideological principle (“intolerable”), and other bad faith arguments.
Yep, that’s a rightwing instance alright.
A conservative community =/= the nazis. Also most of the accounts posting there are not even HC users.
Can you show me an example of nazi content on HC?
Bullshit like this happening to me, for one. I also wouldn’t want a community on lemmy.world or slrpnk for the same reason: Because then, not only would I be associating myself with their brand, but I would also be subject to having weird stuff happen to my community because of decisions by admins I don’t trust.
I’m on the record here that you would be free to moderate as you wish, so long as instance rules are adhered to - just like everyone else.
HC is not exploding heads.
Yes it is.
The actions of a community do not represent the instance itself.
I mean that’s fair, but also, this is the #2 community there. The #1 community is an AI news summary place made by a person I find notably weird and disagreeable.
You are welcome to start your own community on HC and moderate it as you see fit.
Yeah, I’ll get right on that. It sounds delightful.
Bro why u hating on my bot? What did it do?
I find you notably weird and disagreeable.
I like your bot, man. Ignore him. I don’t even like most bots, but yours does great.
Not only that, but his instance has bots too, so he’s a hypocrite.
Bro why u hating on my bot? What did it do?
AI news summaries even when done by big professional software companies have a big habit of getting stuff wrong. It’s not ideal. There are plenty of news communities on Lemmy including some automated ones.
If you want a little AI project, I’d be happy to work with you on my project of a community where people can argue with each other and an AI moderator will judge who’s being good-faith in their conduct, sort of referee the discussion to help reduce the “there’s no way to have a ‘debate’ if the other person’s committing to just being an evasive bad-faith cunt about it” problem. That, I think would be a good addition to the space, and I thought about how to do it a little bit already.
I find you notably weird and disagreeable.
Yeah, probably right on both counts.
I actually just clicked on your user and took a quick look over, searching for some kind of misdemeanor I could criticize you for, and I couldn’t find anything. I just remember you being super rude sometimes and saying deliberately inflammatory stuff, but that’s all, and maybe that isn’t the end of the world.
project of a community where people can argue with each other and an AI moderator will judge who’s being good-faith in their conduct, sort of referee the discussion to help reduce the “there’s no way to have a ‘debate’ if the other person’s committing to just being an evasive bad-faith cunt about it” problem.
Any ways to follow this project? This is a concept I’ve also thought about. Would probably work to prompt various simple yes/no questions about a comment and what it’s responding to like, “is it likely they didn’t read it”, “does it address the central point” and then do stuff with the results
It hasn’t gone past the “idea” stage. I have an unfortunate habit of talking up all kinds of fancy stuff I want to do and only following through on like 20% of it, but I do think something like that would be a really good idea. If I do wind up executing on it I will reach out.
And yes, I think having multiple prompts to sort of analyze the comments thread and progress towards conclusions about it is the way to go. I was mucking around with, I think, a four-prompt setup to keep the LLM from going too far off the rails or try to bite off too much of the analysis at once (and also, to stop it from wanting to be “fair to everyone” which it seems like it otherwise really wants to do because of how it’s been trained to be supposedly-neutral).
Thankfully I got an entire lemmy community to correct the incorrect summaries. Although the error rate is pretty low and most errors come from the web scraper having issues not the ai.
I like that idea u would want to use a dolphin finetuned model as they are uncensored and thus have significantly less bias. U might struggle to get the ai to evaluate the badfsithness and not the arguments points itself tho.
I’m don’t say deliberately inflammatory stuff I just say what I believe and sometimes people agree sometimes they don’t. I can be quite rude but I try to only do that when people are attacking me and not my argument.
U might struggle to get the ai to evaluate the badfsithness and not the arguments points itself tho.
Yeah. When I was mucking around with it, I had to progress in very specific stages, having the LLM sort of implement a specific algorithm, not letting it have too much free rein or else it’ll do all kinds of weird stuff.
Are u using langchain u can make a whole pipeline of actions with it.
You are free to dislike anything of course, but that doesn’t make us something we’re not.
The post did not necessarily convince me to block the HC instance, but the instance admin of it coming in here to combat every comment critical of the instance sure has lol.
Same - just defederated them from Feddit.dk. What actually convinced me to defederate was this comment. That kind of “hands off” moderation approach just seems irresponsible to me.
Tak :)
In Internet forum terms, “FUD” got popularized in the context of Microsoft’s anti-Linux propaganda from the '90s and 2000s.
that’s just when you first heard it
Fear uncertainty and doubt to be used a psyop was originally outlined in ww 2 sabotage manual
Wow I haven’t seen HC in a long time since I blocked them.
Which was, almost, immediately.
I don’t even think I had a specific reason to block them. Their vibes were just way off.
