ID: ally @missmayn posted: “the democrats were more energized and organized against campus protests than the current authoritarian takeover.”

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    233 months ago

    The Democrats will learn the wrong lesson from this: “We need to convince more Republicans to vote for us!”

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      -53 months ago

      They were taught the wrong lesson. The left refuses to vote for them because they don’t perfectly represent them; moderates turn out and can be swung from time to time. What tangible evidence do they have that moving left will gain them more votes than it will cost them?

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        113 months ago

        What tangible evidence do they have that moving left will gain them more votes than it will cost them?

        Actual data from Bernie Sanders’ campaign showing that he was vastly more popular overall (and especially in red states) than the centrists.

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            3 months ago

            And? Do you think an endorsement automatically means everyone who would have voted for Bernie would vote for Harris? Like I said, Bernie’s popularity over other Democratic candidates was most pronounced in red states. Those votes didn’t transfer to Harris, they transfered to Trump, or to no one at all.

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                33 months ago

                Why do you insist on absolving the Democrats of responsibility for their own decisions? It’s on them to learn the right lessons, and they didn’t. It is difficult to get someone to understand something when their salary depends on them not understanding it. Left-populism is the clear solution to their problems but it scares them because it is in direct opposition to their financial interests.

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                  23 months ago

                  Why do you insist on absolving the Democrats of responsibility for their own decisions?

                  So they will repeat their mistakes.

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            23 months ago

            Dick Cheney did too. I don’t see you using it as an argument that the party should stop simping for war criminals.

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        23 months ago

        I’m not directly affected by American politics. But it is interesting to see how it behaves. The Democrats seem to have an identity crisis, they appear to have expected to win because “who would vote for the orange guy?” mentality, but they showed their lack of vision by allowing Biden to run first then switching to Kamala when it didn’t work out. In the meantime Trump was being a salesman/conman with bold proposals that would benefit the people, even if they weren’t true (as it usual with politics).

        The Democrats needed, from the start, a somewhat young, centrist and fierce candidate, that could chew Trump during debates, thus turning Republican voters, but the Democrat leadership is sadly lacking and not getting on with the times. I see news about the GOP and Turning point USA quite often, never good but very visible while from the Democrat side there is just silence, just waiting the Republicans to lose.

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          33 months ago

          The Democrats needed, from the start, a somewhat young, centrist and fierce candidate

          We’ve had too many centrists and the only time any centrist is “fierce” is when they’re pitted against a progressive.

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        13 months ago

        The left refuses to vote for them because they don’t perfectly represent them

        They perfectly represent you.

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          23 months ago

          They do not. You have the unfortunate habit of reducing those who disagree with you to inaccurate caricatures, in a vain attempt to bolster your own poorly formed ethos.

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            13 months ago

            They do not.

            Oh cool. How have they failed to represent you to perfection?

            You have the unfortunate habit of reducing those who disagree with you to inaccurate caricatures, in a vain attempt to bolster your own poorly formed ethos.

            From the person who literally just misrepresented the entire left thus:

            The left refuses to vote for them because they don’t perfectly represent them

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              13 months ago

              I’m a leftist. They are neo-liberals. My wishes for them to beat out the fascists does not mean they represent me.

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                -13 months ago

                So they represent you perfectly in all but name, then?

                Or are there policies of theirs you disagree with?

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                    -13 months ago

                    I’m saying that you can’t name one policy you disagree with neoliberals on.

                    I’m saying neoliberals represent you to absolute perfection, which is why you are so dismissive of those they don’t represent.