You don’t need a permit to march in the streets or on sidewalks, as long as marchers don’t obstruct car or pedestrian traffic. And that makes a lot of sense because if you block a road perhaps emergency services need to know ahead of time that they can’t take that route. Or others concerns may be relevant. For the very same reasons this is similar in countries around the world.
Source: https://www.aclu.org/know-your-rights/protesters-rights
I think it’s probably like more roads = more permits needed to protest.
I’m in the US and all too familiar with how car centric our infrastructure is. On top of the permit thing, our angry rushed populace will demonize you for protesting anything if you’re blocking the road to do it. You could be giving CPR to a toddler and within minutes some emotional support truck would be running you over or rolling coal in your face.
that’s literally why blocking roads in protest is so effective. enough angry calls to the mayor office due to people being late for work etc, is how protesting puts pressure on representatives to actually represent the people.
or did you think that huddling on sidewalks holding signs was supposed to do something?
Blocking roads in protest has proven effective at exactly one thing: Increasing the enforcement and penalties for jaywalking.
It is counterproductive at everything else.
did you think that huddling on sidewalks holding signs was supposed to do something?
Where did I say huddle on sidewalks?
I think JSO should be firebombing ICE car dealerships, gas stations, muffler shops, and other entities and agents of the oil industry. Not harassing victims of that industry.
No doubt, no doubt. There are plenty of articles claiming JSO protests are effective.
Of course, if they were actually effective, you wouldn’t need to point to news articles promoting the virtues of standing around in the street. You’d be able to point to oil consumption rates. If their protests were actually effective, oil consumption rates would be falling.
The reality is that those articles do nothing but make you feel good, like something is being done. But reality doesn’t care about feelings, or the fiddling articles designed to make us feel good while the world burns.
You would have a point if “protesting” was “life”. But it’s not.
When demonstrators were pissed off at Elon Musk, they didn’t picket grocery stores and kindergartens. they didnt blockade old folks homes, delay firefighters and ambulances.
They burned Tesla dealerships.
JSO could learn a thing or two from these anti-Musk demonstrators.
Might I suggest that instead of targeting fellow victims for undue harassment, you direct your attention toward the actual perpetrators and their supporters? For environmental causes, might I suggest some sort of shop where an oil-based product like gasoline or diesel fuel is sold? Perhaps an entity that sells or services the vehicles that consume those fuels.
Perhaps you could publish a manifesto telling the public and these businesses alike what businesses need to do in order to avoid Molotov-flavored “civil disobedience”. Things like “a majority of the cars on a dealer’s lot must be EVs” and “EVs should be priced lower than comparable ICE vehicles”. Or “fuel stations should have at least as many charging stations as fuel pumps”.
When you publish your manifesto, make sure it gets sent to insurance companies, preferably the companies insuring the businesses responsible for the environmental catastrophe we are facing.
We have enough laws against public use of the street. There is no need to demonstrate for more.
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You don’t need a permit to march in the streets or on sidewalks, as long as marchers don’t obstruct car or pedestrian traffic. And that makes a lot of sense because if you block a road perhaps emergency services need to know ahead of time that they can’t take that route. Or others concerns may be relevant. For the very same reasons this is similar in countries around the world. Source: https://www.aclu.org/know-your-rights/protesters-rights
Murrica is not nearly as free as people think it is
Depends how much money you have. Poor college students will have to follow the laws.
Technically it’s the same in France. I’ll let you figure how much that stops anyone…
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So that’s why they’re so car centric with their infrastructure, more sidewalls = more protests
I think it’s probably like more roads = more permits needed to protest.
I’m in the US and all too familiar with how car centric our infrastructure is. On top of the permit thing, our angry rushed populace will demonize you for protesting anything if you’re blocking the road to do it. You could be giving CPR to a toddler and within minutes some emotional support truck would be running you over or rolling coal in your face.
Its the same everywhere, doesn’t mean it’s not dumb but that’s how it is.
Well yeah, keep your dumbasses out the fucking street.
Public roadways are for travel.
that’s literally why blocking roads in protest is so effective. enough angry calls to the mayor office due to people being late for work etc, is how protesting puts pressure on representatives to actually represent the people.
or did you think that huddling on sidewalks holding signs was supposed to do something?
Blocking roads in protest has proven effective at exactly one thing: Increasing the enforcement and penalties for jaywalking.
It is counterproductive at everything else.
Where did I say huddle on sidewalks?
I think JSO should be firebombing ICE car dealerships, gas stations, muffler shops, and other entities and agents of the oil industry. Not harassing victims of that industry.
Well… no.
Excellent retort, but I can cite the legislative record supporting my point.
I can cite many news articles which show that protesting in this way is more effective.
No doubt, no doubt. There are plenty of articles claiming JSO protests are effective.
Of course, if they were actually effective, you wouldn’t need to point to news articles promoting the virtues of standing around in the street. You’d be able to point to oil consumption rates. If their protests were actually effective, oil consumption rates would be falling.
The reality is that those articles do nothing but make you feel good, like something is being done. But reality doesn’t care about feelings, or the fiddling articles designed to make us feel good while the world burns.
Jaywalking isn’t even illegal where I live.
Give JSO time to lobby your legislators. They’ll get around to it.
No shit sherlock.
You say that. And yet, certain people need to be reminded of this simple fact.
Your public travel is less important than peoples lives.
You would have a point if “protesting” was “life”. But it’s not.
When demonstrators were pissed off at Elon Musk, they didn’t picket grocery stores and kindergartens. they didnt blockade old folks homes, delay firefighters and ambulances.
They burned Tesla dealerships.
JSO could learn a thing or two from these anti-Musk demonstrators.
Me and my band of merry travelling protesters will just be on our way then.
Excellent.
Might I suggest that instead of targeting fellow victims for undue harassment, you direct your attention toward the actual perpetrators and their supporters? For environmental causes, might I suggest some sort of shop where an oil-based product like gasoline or diesel fuel is sold? Perhaps an entity that sells or services the vehicles that consume those fuels.
Perhaps you could publish a manifesto telling the public and these businesses alike what businesses need to do in order to avoid Molotov-flavored “civil disobedience”. Things like “a majority of the cars on a dealer’s lot must be EVs” and “EVs should be priced lower than comparable ICE vehicles”. Or “fuel stations should have at least as many charging stations as fuel pumps”.
When you publish your manifesto, make sure it gets sent to insurance companies, preferably the companies insuring the businesses responsible for the environmental catastrophe we are facing.
We have enough laws against public use of the street. There is no need to demonstrate for more.
No I don’t think I will.
Fair enough. I leave you and your merry band to continue on your irrelevant way.
Right in the middle of the road!
Whatever you say, honey.
That permit is worth as much to them as the original piece of paper in the scene.