Asking after the privacy debacle and manifest. I’m not keeping up closely, but iirc Firefox is the browser recommended because of Ublock. After the privacy data issue I’ve noticed broken trust from Firefox users, recommendations in favor of switching browsers, and predictions saying Firefox is going downhill fast and that their forks won’t be maintained for much longer.

So I’m here asking the seasoned sailors’ thoughts, aye. Is this just a storm passing by or are you really considering jumping ship?

  • @[email protected]
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    172 months ago

    That asterisk is a problem though, having to go through and make it secure is an issue. What if you miss a setting? What if you misunderstand a setting? None of it is particularly upfront and easy. It doesn’t ask you when you first install it to set this stuff up, it encourages you to just get stuck in and start using it straight away.

    It’s not too complicated for a nerd whose hobby is computers or someone who has studied computers, but for the layperson it’s too much.

    That’s why Librewolf is so good. It’s secure by default, with all the settings toggled to privacy and you can ease that off if you wish, for convenience or whatever.

    Firefox essentially can’t seem to decide if they want to be FOSS or capitalist, that’s an issue.

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      92 months ago

      The other fun part is when it updates and changes your privacy settings.

    • @[email protected]
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      62 months ago

      And based on the behavior of other shitty applications and devices what if an update silently changes one of those settings back to a problematic state? If they aren’t there to begin with I don’t have to worry as much

      To be fair Mozilla doesn’t have precedent for this behavior but they also didn’t have precedent for this whole nonsense that started this drama a month ago. Things change

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      It’s not too complicated for a nerd whose hobby is computers or someone who has studied computers, but for the layperson it’s too much.

      I’m not sure I buy this argument when there are videos visually walking you through every single step involved in hardening Firefox. Is that still too complex for your elderly parents or grandparents? Maybe. Is it too complex for Millenials and younger generations? Definitely not. The core problem here is just laziness. People are not willing to give up 10 minutes of their day to setup their browser for years of future use because “I don’t have time for that”.

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      You’re talking about security, but really, none of the privacy questions are about technical security of the product.

      “What if you miss a setting?” Then they’ll give you article recommendations or send your search query to the search engine you’re targeting in the first place. They’re really a long way from what you can call a security issue, or sharing personal data with random third parties or data brokers.

      if they want to be FOSS or capitalist

      I really don’t see any basis for this take. It’s not about picking one of two extremes, and the most extreme niches in those.

      They create FOSS, and look for privacy respecting partnerships and investment so they can keep it going.


      They added ToS because they’re integrating services, like their synced/backed up browser data and other respectful integration.

      That’s all a long way from malice, or significant problematic behavior. And you still have more choice than on the other biggest alternatives.

      I don’t think it is the best we could have, I would like it a bit different too, but the way you make it out to be is way overblown if not wrong.