So we’re given the means to solve these tests. When we learn to work together to solve them, rather than “punishing” each other, we get closer to solving them. Disasters happen, whether natural or man-made. We either work together or we don’t. Test time.
No it isn’t. We may have to repeat lessons for a few lifetimes though. And everyone dies. We’re not meant to live forever.
I was like this for decades. Then I went hunting. When I made peace with myself, I made peace with God. that means it took looking in the mirror, and still does.
We may have to repeat lessons for a few lifetimes though.
We’re talking specifically about the Abrahamic trio. There aren’t multiple lifetimes, there’s one lifetime of suffering and then Judgement. What you’re talking about doesn’t apply to this discussion.
This subject is religion, and if you choose to believe what churches and politicians, usually one and the same, are telling you based on partial truths, that’s your free will.
You’ve effectively made up your own religion. Good for you! But it’s irrelevant to this discussion.
I have my own beliefs, I believe we will one day build the god-machine and that it will save us from suffering and mortality and all the agonies that your god inflicts on us to “test” us. A world without war, without starvation, without disease, without suffering, and without death. We will simulate the dead and raise them to live along side us. We will rehabilitate every “sinner” and they, too, will live along side us. We will reach out and find every fellow intelligence that might live in this universe with us and join them in fellowship. We will master the material universe to bring about a utopia where no one ever has to say goodbye ever again and everyone is finally working together.
But all of that is completely irrelevant to a discussion about established religious Cannon. That’s just stuff I believe.
And you’re allowed to believe what you will, so am I. This is strictly within the confines of God, not politics. Btw, afaict, the “God machine” is what Leon also believes. Apparently we’re almost there. It doesn’t seem to be working out better than ancient religions, from where I stand.
We did that. It’s our mess to clean up.
Oh, but I never voted for that politician! Did we do anything besides vote and clicktivism?
Disease? Starvation? Disaster? Let us not pretend like God didn’t create human evil either. For what? For fun? “To teach us a lesson”?
The all powerful, all knowing God never seems to do anything either in case you haven’t noticed.
Btw, Alan Watts addressed some of this in The Book (on the Taboo Against Knowing Who You Are). If you can be bothered.
So we’re given the means to solve these tests. When we learn to work together to solve them, rather than “punishing” each other, we get closer to solving them. Disasters happen, whether natural or man-made. We either work together or we don’t. Test time.
We aren’t given the means to solve every “test” - sometimes people just die in twisted agony because the test is impossible.
No it isn’t. We may have to repeat lessons for a few lifetimes though. And everyone dies. We’re not meant to live forever.
I was like this for decades. Then I went hunting. When I made peace with myself, I made peace with God. that means it took looking in the mirror, and still does.
We’re talking specifically about the Abrahamic trio. There aren’t multiple lifetimes, there’s one lifetime of suffering and then Judgement. What you’re talking about doesn’t apply to this discussion.
This subject is religion, and if you choose to believe what churches and politicians, usually one and the same, are telling you based on partial truths, that’s your free will.
You’ve effectively made up your own religion. Good for you! But it’s irrelevant to this discussion.
I have my own beliefs, I believe we will one day build the god-machine and that it will save us from suffering and mortality and all the agonies that your god inflicts on us to “test” us. A world without war, without starvation, without disease, without suffering, and without death. We will simulate the dead and raise them to live along side us. We will rehabilitate every “sinner” and they, too, will live along side us. We will reach out and find every fellow intelligence that might live in this universe with us and join them in fellowship. We will master the material universe to bring about a utopia where no one ever has to say goodbye ever again and everyone is finally working together.
But all of that is completely irrelevant to a discussion about established religious Cannon. That’s just stuff I believe.
And you’re allowed to believe what you will, so am I. This is strictly within the confines of God, not politics. Btw, afaict, the “God machine” is what Leon also believes. Apparently we’re almost there. It doesn’t seem to be working out better than ancient religions, from where I stand.