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A picture of the Ben Affleck Smoking meme, with the caption “Me seeing people on reddit telling other people to go to lemmy.world”
A picture of the Ben Affleck Smoking meme, with the caption “Me seeing people on reddit telling other people to go to lemmy.world”
I don’t hate communists. The reasons I don’t recommend those instances are:
lemmy[.]ml - Censorship of pro-ukraine posts and comments
lemmygrad - see above; also defederated a lot.
lemmy[.]world - too big, has a lot of toxic people, some moderation issues
hex - defederated from most of the mainstream fediverse.
Supporting nazi governments is frowned upon, yes
Do you honestly agree with the idea that Ukraine was a nazi country?
Was? No, the nazis are still in charge. I said government, don’t pull that shit where you make no distinction between the people and their jailers. Ukrainians? Probably mostly cool. Their government? Absolutely nazis, absolutely put in place by us to do nazis shit.
I had a whole thing written about Operation GLADIO and America’s almost century-long history of doing exactly this all over the world, but then I remembered a picture is worth a thousand words. Here’s several pictures:
That’s a picture of Stephan Bandera by the way, head of the OUN-B organization which participated in the Holocaust. Here he is in his in his spiffy military uniform:
Eh, times change, right? It’s not as if any recent high ranking government officials have been see-
Ah. Hm.
Well, it’s not like they’re doing hitler youth shit, right?
God damn, what the hell is going on? Is there some kind of documented, easy-to follow trail of obvious causality that I can use to make sense of this??
Of course there is!
https://youtu.be/j6e7MGUmxgU
Okay, joking is done. Real talk, do you honestly believe the obviously bullshit narrative that Ukraine isn’t a country whose people live under the Nazi boot?
By nazi country, I meant ruled by nazis. Sorry if that was unclear.
Even if Ukraine has a “nazi problem” russia’s invasion is nothing but imperialism.
I appreciate the clarification, the trap of assuming class unity within a country is one that these conversations unfortunately fall into easily.
I have to ask though, what imperialism means to you. It wasn’t too long ago that most people made fun of communists for using the word, and now it’s a popular word to use but I never see it defined. What’s your understanding of it?
Also, why do you put nazi problem in quotes, as if to distance yourself from accepting the idea?
Yes, that is why.
Pretty much the same as the definition google spits out:
a policy of extending a country's power and influence through colonization, use of military force, or other meansThis is exactly why you should tell people leaving reddit to check it out.
Some people don’t come here to talk politics.
There are some people who may just use reddit for non-political stuff, like crafts, gaming and news from their country. Most of that stuff is on lemmy.world.
Those people can literally go back to reddit and have their use experience be 100% identical
Not really. Reddit has gotten really shitty. Not just the community, the actual platform itself.
We do all that too, we’re just cooler. We have DIY comms, anime comms, I run the gaming discord where we mostly just chill and play Foxhole ARMA and project zomboid.
My point is that everything is political and for people that want a nice cozy space that is vigilantly purged of reactionaries and bigots it’s a breath of fresh air from the reddit environment that carries over to a lot of the big “default” - as you call them - instances.
Shit half the posts on hexbear are silly jokes, weird special interest stuff, personal projects, or random bean posting. We are just very very militant and fairly unified when topics of politics come up and it has roots in irreverent commie shitposting so that will always be there.
hexbear does have a lot of non-political comms, but some of the more niche ones are on .world. I think .world is still far better than
.world is full of fascists and bigots just as bad as reddit is.
While it does seem to house a lot of bigots, its no where near as bad as reddit. Don’t get me wrong, I hate fascists and bigots, but lemmy.world housing them seems to just be a consequence of its size.
No it is a consequence of their moderators tolerating that shit.
In my experience, the mods remove bigotry (albeit slowly) once reported.
No thanks, people like that make reddit a miserable experience. Its the same here.
“boo hoo people shit on me for being reactionary”
That is all I get from this comment without further elaboration.
i’m not getting anything from your comment either, I don’t even know what you are talking about. reactionary? people shit on me?
It’s just a miserable reading experience even when I don’t interact. Hopefully blocking certain instances helps, but what makes me wary is that blocking certain people for example seems to hide the whole threads if someone in the thread is blocked.
Wait, are you getting involved in political discussions without any familiarity with actual politics? Or even a willingness to google terms to pretend you know what people are talking about?
What terms should I google then? I’m familiar with the terms i’ve seen in the thread this far… Like, I know what reactionary means, I just don’t know why they are using that word. … Are they suggesting disliking communist content is… reactionary?
Are you suggesting opposing progressive changes to society isn’t reactionary?
I’m suggesting that communism is not progressive. But i’m not here to argue politics with fools, just to be clear.
Hexbear.net defederated because of a domain problem that’s since been fixed
Although I suspect the “censorship of pro-ukraine posts and comments” is just as much present there as it is in lemmy.ml and lemmygrad.ml, and the main reason for the “censorship” is racism
No, some instances block hex.
Also, .ml’s modlog shows a clear pro-russia bias. People should oppose the U.S’s imperialism, but supporting russia (even critically) isn’t the answer. I feel like hexbear has a more diverse range of views compared to .ml or grad though.
Have you considered that reality supports Russia’s justifications for intervening in Ukraine
And what are those justifications?
It is predictable that if you’re a worldwide bully (the US) you will try to establish a military presence, through alliances, on the border of your enemy.
It is predictable that the country you are trying to surround (Russia) with those military bases/allies will try to prevent it.
Anyone with the US on their doorstep is in a significantly disadvantaged position to defend themselves from the US’ bullshit.
The US baited Ukraine with false promises of joining NATO to provoke Russia into retaliation, kill as many Russians as possible without sparing a single US soldier, and discouraged peace talks at any opportunity to keep the war going.
Now that Ukraine has outlived its usefulness, the US has stopped stringing them along and doesn’t care anymore. This was starting under Biden and was finalized by Trump.
All the ‘Slava ukraini’ people are cheering on is the continuation of a proxy war that has seen the desolation of Ukraine’s economy and population.
Russia going home and letting the US enact their original plan is a fantasy. So do you want the death of every Ukranian before it ends?
Spesifying that you shouldn’t support Russia even critically shows that you don’t understand the meaning of “critically”
Who benefits from the extension of the conflict? Who manufactures the soon-to-be expired warheads and ammunition sold to Ukraine? US wouldn’t cease the the siege of Iraq and Afganistan before they gained the control of the whole governing body of the country and then extending the occupation for a decade (before abandoning the puppet government to fend for itself)
If Russia ceased all operations today keeping all the area they gained throughout this war, they would have still done less harm to Ukraine than US has done in any of its conflicts
“Critical support” means support for the option that causes the least humanitarian damage