And how helpful has this rest of the world been to europe this far, for example in relation to helping Ukraine? You know, in things that really matter?
And I should keep trying with a bunch of idiots threatening me and overtly allied with the power attacking Ukraine, only because I never did a good job as a potential superpower to coordinate myself and others?
Where did I suggest you should try anything? It seems like you are changing the topic. Let’s try to keep on track, please.
I’m saying Europe is better off with USA as a reliable ally rather than an unreliable enemy.
Also I don’t know why you suddenly talk about yourself like you are THE Europe lol.
There are (commercial, trade, military, political) RELATIONSHIPS we are talking about.
There is no switch to have them accepted or not, there is a continuous effort from both parties.
And like any effort, it implies a cost. We have been in a toxic relationship with the USA for decades.
There is a chance for them to get better? Good for them, we will contemplate the possibility for that to be in our interest once I will see it happening.
In the meanwhile, having them showing their true face allows us to be lucid about the current state of affairs and redirecting our efforts elsewhere.
There is a chance for them to get better? Good for them, we will contemplate the possibility for that to be in our interest once I will see it happening.
So you agree. What are we even talking about then?
I did. My point is that europe would be better off with USA as a reliable partner rather than whatever it currently is.
Nowhere have I said that it means we need to somehow make it work with the current USA administration or that nothing has to change whatsoever.
But in principle, it would be much better to have USA as a partner rather than as an enemy. I’m not even saying it is realistic right now, I am saying, in general, it would be better.
And from that one sentence alone what you said, i’m pretty sure you agree.
So you are just arguing against something I never said in the first place.
And I don’t think so, because what we have gotten addicted to is over reliance on a partner that has never really behaved as one.
Now that we have this situation, we are looking around and rediscovering the extent of the influence and power we can have in relations with other actors.
There is a whole Rest of the World out there, even if you take out Russia and China.
And how helpful has this rest of the world been to europe this far, for example in relation to helping Ukraine? You know, in things that really matter?
And I should keep trying with a bunch of idiots threatening me and overtly allied with the power attacking Ukraine, only because I never did a good job as a potential superpower to coordinate myself and others?
That is really weak as an argument.
Where did I suggest you should try anything? It seems like you are changing the topic. Let’s try to keep on track, please. I’m saying Europe is better off with USA as a reliable ally rather than an unreliable enemy.
Also I don’t know why you suddenly talk about yourself like you are THE Europe lol.
There are (commercial, trade, military, political) RELATIONSHIPS we are talking about. There is no switch to have them accepted or not, there is a continuous effort from both parties. And like any effort, it implies a cost. We have been in a toxic relationship with the USA for decades.
There is a chance for them to get better? Good for them, we will contemplate the possibility for that to be in our interest once I will see it happening.
In the meanwhile, having them showing their true face allows us to be lucid about the current state of affairs and redirecting our efforts elsewhere.
So you agree. What are we even talking about then?
Read the last lines of my comment.
I did. My point is that europe would be better off with USA as a reliable partner rather than whatever it currently is. Nowhere have I said that it means we need to somehow make it work with the current USA administration or that nothing has to change whatsoever. But in principle, it would be much better to have USA as a partner rather than as an enemy. I’m not even saying it is realistic right now, I am saying, in general, it would be better. And from that one sentence alone what you said, i’m pretty sure you agree. So you are just arguing against something I never said in the first place.
And I don’t think so, because what we have gotten addicted to is over reliance on a partner that has never really behaved as one. Now that we have this situation, we are looking around and rediscovering the extent of the influence and power we can have in relations with other actors.
Relevant: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b5VYUewImUc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VHOSBKgM188
This is at all possible because USA is in shambles.