People have said the same thing about music forever. Chess, which is just 16 pieces on an 8x8 board, famously has more possible game sequences than their are atoms in the universe. And modern video games have infinitely more variables than just 16 pieces constrained to 64 tiles.
Chess is thousands of years old, but many popular variants like Fischer random or blitz are recent developments. Even auto chess is technically inspired by chess and now has millions of active players.
Despite borrowing principles from the original chess (which itself has changed quite a bit since inception) each of these games is substantially different from one another. You can call them recycled ideas, but I would just call it innovation.
Sure, there is that explosive chess and 960 chess and so on, but the game itself still stands. Time controls is not that recent either IIRC it was added when after many hours of thinking, the opponent broke the rule of not distracting the adversary and daringly asked where he was and got the response : “I thought it was your turn!”
But music is stagnated now because everything has been done, ai makes most pop music, and a new “song” is released every minute. We have far surpassed there ever being originality again.
Hopefully people will still want live performance by a human because that is all that’s left for the arts. Corpos will destroy it with ai slop that normal people won’t be able to differentiate from human creation.
Music has absolutely not stagnated and the only people who say that are people who have a passing interest (or none at all) and no desire to seek out anything beyond a Spotify playlist of tiktok trends.
And just because [insert your favorite genre] isn’t topping charts right now, doesn’t mean that a) it’s gone away, and b) that the music that is popular is bad. And also, just because some of the music that gets popular is less dynamic or complex than others doesn’t mean it has nothing to say or has no value.
Honestly, the ‘modern music bad’ take is just so braindead and it makes me so sad thinking about the people who refuse to allow new music in their life just so they can hold up holier than thou beliefs about the music they grew up with.
It doesn’t really have anything to do with old music being better, it’s not, I’m just saying with a new song released every minute and billions of people on earth, there is nothing new. Everything sounds like something else, it’s inevitable.
52 cards make more combinations than there are atoms in the universe, you can have data centers filled with random numbers generators and they wouldn’t draw the same card twice.
That example uses one dimension, just that single set. with music you have multiple dimensions, even if you get extremely specific, and say that you have 10 chords along 12 root notes (this basically forces you into western music, no diminished chords, just the triads and the sevenths) you have 300 million unique sets of 4 ordered chords (a typical chord progression, that’s effectively an entire lifetime of 4 minute songs non stop before you get to something that has been done before.
If you add in time signatures, swing, length, silence, noise, volume, tempo, arrangement, etc, you end up with effectively infinite combinations.
But that doesn’t matter anything, because you seem to be assuming that because a component may exist in some form already it means nothing new can be derived from it.
Music speaks to its time and its culture, it tells stories and reflects the emotions of the world it is created in. That world constantly changes. Sampling a sound from an old song can create something new, the story told by the old sound can be different. A derivative work does not a copy cat make and it actually believes it or not is possible to make new music even if the same chord progression exists.
And that doesn’t even begin to include the variation in production style, effects, or the biological differences in people’s vocal chords.
What makes you think that you are so special that your little 80 year lifetime landed right in the middle of the death of music. And what makes you think new things can’t be done, it’s only been 50ish years since we’ve even had a grasp on stuff like synthesizers.
I wonder if we’ll one day just recycle game ideas so much there will be enough games for a whole lifetime and there are no new good ideas left.
It all pretty much also depends on the way technology progresses in real time. Better specs will always open up new possibilities, new ideas.
Maybe it would end up like this one day, but only if progress in technology has come to a halt.
So like VR and AI? Maybe you’re right.
We’ve had books since ancient Greece and people are still writing new stories.
Plot points, mechanics, and character tropes will get recycled and mixed around, but there’s always going to be something “new.”
Yes, especially as society changes, books will be written to match that. There are so many good books though :-)
We already at that point, game ideas just get mixed
People have said the same thing about music forever. Chess, which is just 16 pieces on an 8x8 board, famously has more possible game sequences than their are atoms in the universe. And modern video games have infinitely more variables than just 16 pieces constrained to 64 tiles.
Well IMO you prove my point with chess, no new “Chess II” has detroned the game, it’s one game and for many people it’s enough.
Chess is thousands of years old, but many popular variants like Fischer random or blitz are recent developments. Even auto chess is technically inspired by chess and now has millions of active players.
Despite borrowing principles from the original chess (which itself has changed quite a bit since inception) each of these games is substantially different from one another. You can call them recycled ideas, but I would just call it innovation.
Sure, there is that explosive chess and 960 chess and so on, but the game itself still stands. Time controls is not that recent either IIRC it was added when after many hours of thinking, the opponent broke the rule of not distracting the adversary and daringly asked where he was and got the response : “I thought it was your turn!”
But music is stagnated now because everything has been done, ai makes most pop music, and a new “song” is released every minute. We have far surpassed there ever being originality again.
Hopefully people will still want live performance by a human because that is all that’s left for the arts. Corpos will destroy it with ai slop that normal people won’t be able to differentiate from human creation.
Music has absolutely not stagnated and the only people who say that are people who have a passing interest (or none at all) and no desire to seek out anything beyond a Spotify playlist of tiktok trends.
And just because [insert your favorite genre] isn’t topping charts right now, doesn’t mean that a) it’s gone away, and b) that the music that is popular is bad. And also, just because some of the music that gets popular is less dynamic or complex than others doesn’t mean it has nothing to say or has no value.
Honestly, the ‘modern music bad’ take is just so braindead and it makes me so sad thinking about the people who refuse to allow new music in their life just so they can hold up holier than thou beliefs about the music they grew up with.
It doesn’t really have anything to do with old music being better, it’s not, I’m just saying with a new song released every minute and billions of people on earth, there is nothing new. Everything sounds like something else, it’s inevitable.
Objectively false.
52 cards make more combinations than there are atoms in the universe, you can have data centers filled with random numbers generators and they wouldn’t draw the same card twice.
That example uses one dimension, just that single set. with music you have multiple dimensions, even if you get extremely specific, and say that you have 10 chords along 12 root notes (this basically forces you into western music, no diminished chords, just the triads and the sevenths) you have 300 million unique sets of 4 ordered chords (a typical chord progression, that’s effectively an entire lifetime of 4 minute songs non stop before you get to something that has been done before.
If you add in time signatures, swing, length, silence, noise, volume, tempo, arrangement, etc, you end up with effectively infinite combinations.
But that doesn’t matter anything, because you seem to be assuming that because a component may exist in some form already it means nothing new can be derived from it.
Music speaks to its time and its culture, it tells stories and reflects the emotions of the world it is created in. That world constantly changes. Sampling a sound from an old song can create something new, the story told by the old sound can be different. A derivative work does not a copy cat make and it actually believes it or not is possible to make new music even if the same chord progression exists.
And that doesn’t even begin to include the variation in production style, effects, or the biological differences in people’s vocal chords.
What makes you think that you are so special that your little 80 year lifetime landed right in the middle of the death of music. And what makes you think new things can’t be done, it’s only been 50ish years since we’ve even had a grasp on stuff like synthesizers.
Is there even a specific type of game that has every good idea that would fit in already made into a game?