thats because self defined incels are awful people, especially regarding their online conduct. That absolutely makes “incel” a valid descriptor for people who behave like one - spreading misogynist bullshit, fantasizing about alpha males and jawlines and having a very “black and white” worldview, coupled with a tendency to glorify authoritarian society and being awful to anyone not fitting in their simply wrong pseudoscientifical “there are only 2 genders” and “homosexuality and transness are a mental disease” lies.
Incel is absolutely legit as an insult when someone behaves like one. The focus does NOT lie on virginity at all, but on a mindset.
Whatever somersaults you need to do to make your insulting people for not having sex ok. Same as every other generalization and stereotype. It’s just a shortcut for “who can I other” ?
lol i didn’t have sex for the last 6 years involuntarily (because of medical reasons) and i still don’t spout the bullshit that incels do. like i said, it does not have anything to do with having sex or not, other than that vile men don’t get pussy.
I get it, and thinking about it I know some married men who’ll say the same kind of incel-type shit you see online. I agree that it doesn’t have to do with “getting pussy” really because obviously lots of vile men do get pussy and are still misogynistic assholes, but words have meanings.
I guess my bigger issue is with there being a negative connotation to the concept of celibacy as an inherently bad thing. Intended or not it’s still placing value on someones ability to have sex with someone else. You can be a hateful piece of shit and still fuck, it really is just another way to form an out group.
edit: to be fair though, in this context, I’ve never actually met anyone who proudly claims the title of incel and I have no doubt that person would be a massive piece of shit that likely needs years of therapy/emotional work to be a healthy human being
i mean … maybe. But Lemmy is still gonna use “incel” as an insult, which is literally the same. Ive seen that here more than anywhwere else.
thats because self defined incels are awful people, especially regarding their online conduct. That absolutely makes “incel” a valid descriptor for people who behave like one - spreading misogynist bullshit, fantasizing about alpha males and jawlines and having a very “black and white” worldview, coupled with a tendency to glorify authoritarian society and being awful to anyone not fitting in their simply wrong pseudoscientifical “there are only 2 genders” and “homosexuality and transness are a mental disease” lies.
Incel is absolutely legit as an insult when someone behaves like one. The focus does NOT lie on virginity at all, but on a mindset.
Whatever somersaults you need to do to make your insulting people for not having sex ok. Same as every other generalization and stereotype. It’s just a shortcut for “who can I other” ?
lol i didn’t have sex for the last 6 years involuntarily (because of medical reasons) and i still don’t spout the bullshit that incels do. like i said, it does not have anything to do with having sex or not, other than that vile men don’t get pussy.
I get it, and thinking about it I know some married men who’ll say the same kind of incel-type shit you see online. I agree that it doesn’t have to do with “getting pussy” really because obviously lots of vile men do get pussy and are still misogynistic assholes, but words have meanings.
I guess my bigger issue is with there being a negative connotation to the concept of celibacy as an inherently bad thing. Intended or not it’s still placing value on someones ability to have sex with someone else. You can be a hateful piece of shit and still fuck, it really is just another way to form an out group.
edit: to be fair though, in this context, I’ve never actually met anyone who proudly claims the title of incel and I have no doubt that person would be a massive piece of shit that likely needs years of therapy/emotional work to be a healthy human being
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