if anything the Holocaust and its worldwide condemnation gives a special voice to victims of such crimes everywhere
See? And that’s trivialising it. There is not a single case of a genocide as organized, precisely planned and carried out against so many victims. The holocaust is single event in history of mankind. If you compare any other massacre to it, you start trivialising it. Every comparsion of a massacre and the holocaust is trivialising the holocaust more and more. One could say (and I do): If the holocaust and other massacres have been compared often enough, holocaust will be just another massacre and it won’t be noticed if it happens again.
Of course just because of me, huh? I had a great constructive debate with other people in this thread and I won’t discuss anything with you if you start to personally attack me.
Yes, because of sick ghouls like you. There’s a genocide happening right now that is far more documented with far more sick intentions on display from Israel and the world where citizens are getting deported for speaking against an injustice and your here whining about the holocaust? Please tell me when in human history has anybody been given such a special privilege with such a “important genocide” ever happen to anyone else? More Soviets died, more Indians died under colonisation but 100x than 6 million, countless Africans died, the whole American continent was almost wiped of it’s indigenous people. But here you are complaining about something not being compared to the holocaust because it doesn’t fit your special mindset that Jews are the ultimately oppressed people who are god ordained to go to a land they have to connection and commit the worst ethnic cleaning of the modern day. No city has been bombee, starved and devastated like Gaza has in a long long long time. Dresden, Berlin and London got nothing on Gaza.
Do you believe that what Israel is doing in Palastine could be considered a genocide by the ICC aside from your point on the holocaust? Just trying to figure out where you stand in this.
No I agree what we call it doesn’t change what is happening, but your reply helped me understand your motive for wanting to distinguish what happens in Gaza and what happend in Europe 80 years ago, so thank you for answering.
If you compare any other massacre to it, you start trivialising it.
It feels though as if we trivialized other massacres because they will never hold up to a standard we consider to be beyond comparison.
You are right that comparing such events, as in “this event is less significant because less people died” trivialises the immense human suffering involved in the Holocaust. But that has to go both ways, and comparing the Holocaust to these modern events also trivialises the impact of these current events. Each of these events, indeed each of these deaths is a singular atrocity, a tragedy beyond belief.
I think we can agree that it doesn’t have to be “a” holocaust to be awful and that comparsion to the holocaust doesn’t help.
Though I don’t understand how you both argue that “[comparsion] gives a special voice to victims of such crimes everywhere” and “[comparsion] also trivialises the impact of these current events”. Or don’t you think it “gives a special voice” anymore and changed your opinion since posting that comment?
See? And that’s trivialising it. There is not a single case of a genocide as organized, precisely planned and carried out against so many victims. The holocaust is single event in history of mankind. If you compare any other massacre to it, you start trivialising it. Every comparsion of a massacre and the holocaust is trivialising the holocaust more and more. One could say (and I do): If the holocaust and other massacres have been compared often enough, holocaust will be just another massacre and it won’t be noticed if it happens again.
The next genocide won’t be noticed again because you and others will make the same argument that “it’s not the Holocaust” so it doesn’t matter.
Of course just because of me, huh? I had a great constructive debate with other people in this thread and I won’t discuss anything with you if you start to personally attack me.
Yes, because of sick ghouls like you. There’s a genocide happening right now that is far more documented with far more sick intentions on display from Israel and the world where citizens are getting deported for speaking against an injustice and your here whining about the holocaust? Please tell me when in human history has anybody been given such a special privilege with such a “important genocide” ever happen to anyone else? More Soviets died, more Indians died under colonisation but 100x than 6 million, countless Africans died, the whole American continent was almost wiped of it’s indigenous people. But here you are complaining about something not being compared to the holocaust because it doesn’t fit your special mindset that Jews are the ultimately oppressed people who are god ordained to go to a land they have to connection and commit the worst ethnic cleaning of the modern day. No city has been bombee, starved and devastated like Gaza has in a long long long time. Dresden, Berlin and London got nothing on Gaza.
Do you believe that what Israel is doing in Palastine could be considered a genocide by the ICC aside from your point on the holocaust? Just trying to figure out where you stand in this.
Could be a genocide. Isn’t yet classified as such, might never be.
No I agree what we call it doesn’t change what is happening, but your reply helped me understand your motive for wanting to distinguish what happens in Gaza and what happend in Europe 80 years ago, so thank you for answering.
Wow, a constructive debate about Middle East among leftist. As a German memer, I would have to reply with:
Spoiler
But I don’t think that’s appropriate for this topic.
Like anybody would go and read all these comments and get upset by someone writing German lol. Grüße von eurem bodenständigen Nachbarn ;)
It feels though as if we trivialized other massacres because they will never hold up to a standard we consider to be beyond comparison.
You are right that comparing such events, as in “this event is less significant because less people died” trivialises the immense human suffering involved in the Holocaust. But that has to go both ways, and comparing the Holocaust to these modern events also trivialises the impact of these current events. Each of these events, indeed each of these deaths is a singular atrocity, a tragedy beyond belief.
I think we can agree that it doesn’t have to be “a” holocaust to be awful and that comparsion to the holocaust doesn’t help.
Though I don’t understand how you both argue that “[comparsion] gives a special voice to victims of such crimes everywhere” and “[comparsion] also trivialises the impact of these current events”. Or don’t you think it “gives a special voice” anymore and changed your opinion since posting that comment?