So according to you, the people who want everyone with the wrong kind of mustache to be deported, who want citizenships revoked, who want to “remove the outmoded political party system”, who are already obstructing the judicial system in Thurinigia, who want to defund public media because it’s “too woke”, who want to gut universities because they are “too woke”, who want to fuck up the environment because - guess what - also “woke”, and who want to overthrow the constitutional order are not the fascists?
Fwiw, German law explicitly allows the government to ask the constitutional court to check whether a party behaves consistently with constitutional order, and if not, outlawing them based on that. The German constitution includes some learnings from WWII: This includes a paragraphs on non-discrimination, on the individual right to asylum, on outlawing parties that threaten to overthrow the constitutional order.
I had multiple reports on the comment, you know, you called people here “nazis”. I don’t know in what sense you feel mischaracterized though. There is no direct or indirect quote from you in my comment.
The question still stands though: We have a group of people that exhibits a bunch of characteristics of nazis (see above). And you say that the people who don’t like them are the nazis.
I was giving context on what Afd wants, and then asking, if you really think they are the good guys here. That’s not a mischaracterization of your words.
The AfD wants people with the “wrong kind of moustache” deported? Source?
Note I have NEVER said that the AfD are “the good guys”. I’m defending democracy. If people want to vote for a party that wants to rid their universities of racist DEI policies, wants to rid social media of censorship of one side of all political debates, etc then they should be able to.
I would say the same for anyone that dares to say that any “woke left” parties should be removed from any elections. That’s not democracy. You don’t just remove parties from there because you don’t like them. That’s authoritarian fascism.
Don’t overinterpret my tongue-in-cheek wording there. Afd is fearmongering about Muslims, Afd wants mass deportation of foreigners, Afd wants an end to to the right to asylum, and Afd wants people with multiple citizenships to give up their German citizenship so they can be deported. And given that they are the German party who got support from Elmo this past election, none of this should be a surprise.
Show me in there which policies you’re referring to please?
By mass deportation of foreigners do you mean illegal immigrants?
It seems like you’re fear mongering against the AfD based on things you think they might do simply because you believe they’re the second coming of the Nazis.
I am not. Their election program is misrepresenting their worldview to a degree. This is a legal strategy to avoid being too bannable by courts, nothing more. But look at quotes from influential people like Björn Höcke, Max Krah, Rene Aust, Lena Kotre or …
In their words:
“We have to proceed very peacefully and deliberately, adapt if necessary and butter up the opponent, but when we’re finally ready, we’ll put them all up against the wall. (…) Dig a pit, get everyone in and put slaked lime on top.”
Holger Arppe, Afd
By mass deportation of foreigners do you mean illegal immigrants?
Almost anyone who wants to claim asylum in Germany, needs to cross the border unlawfully, in their world view that makes people “illegal”. The term is used to discredit people whether they ultimately gain asylum or a protection status or not.
So according to you, the people who want everyone with the wrong kind of mustache to be deported, who want citizenships revoked, who want to “remove the outmoded political party system”, who are already obstructing the judicial system in Thurinigia, who want to defund public media because it’s “too woke”, who want to gut universities because they are “too woke”, who want to fuck up the environment because - guess what - also “woke”, and who want to overthrow the constitutional order are not the fascists?
Fwiw, German law explicitly allows the government to ask the constitutional court to check whether a party behaves consistently with constitutional order, and if not, outlawing them based on that. The German constitution includes some learnings from WWII: This includes a paragraphs on non-discrimination, on the individual right to asylum, on outlawing parties that threaten to overthrow the constitutional order.
Did you just delete my comment and reply to it so no one can see what I actually said, while completely fabricating the message of what I said? Lol
I had multiple reports on the comment, you know, you called people here “nazis”. I don’t know in what sense you feel mischaracterized though. There is no direct or indirect quote from you in my comment.
The question still stands though: We have a group of people that exhibits a bunch of characteristics of nazis (see above). And you say that the people who don’t like them are the nazis.
I’m the one being called a nazi repeatedly! Lol
Also your post literally starts with
And then goes on to say a bunch of stuff that I DID NOT SAY NOR EVEN HINT AT - and then you say there was no mischaracterization? No “indirect quote”?
You literally made up things and said that it was “according to me”!
I was giving context on what Afd wants, and then asking, if you really think they are the good guys here. That’s not a mischaracterization of your words.
The AfD wants people with the “wrong kind of moustache” deported? Source?
Note I have NEVER said that the AfD are “the good guys”. I’m defending democracy. If people want to vote for a party that wants to rid their universities of racist DEI policies, wants to rid social media of censorship of one side of all political debates, etc then they should be able to.
I would say the same for anyone that dares to say that any “woke left” parties should be removed from any elections. That’s not democracy. You don’t just remove parties from there because you don’t like them. That’s authoritarian fascism.
Don’t overinterpret my tongue-in-cheek wording there. Afd is fearmongering about Muslims, Afd wants mass deportation of foreigners, Afd wants an end to to the right to asylum, and Afd wants people with multiple citizenships to give up their German citizenship so they can be deported. And given that they are the German party who got support from Elmo this past election, none of this should be a surprise.
You’re misrepresenting their policies.
https://www.afd.de/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/2017-04-12_afd-grundsatzprogramm-englisch_web.pdf
Show me in there which policies you’re referring to please?
By mass deportation of foreigners do you mean illegal immigrants?
It seems like you’re fear mongering against the AfD based on things you think they might do simply because you believe they’re the second coming of the Nazis.
I am not. Their election program is misrepresenting their worldview to a degree. This is a legal strategy to avoid being too bannable by courts, nothing more. But look at quotes from influential people like Björn Höcke, Max Krah, Rene Aust, Lena Kotre or …
In their words:
“We have to proceed very peacefully and deliberately, adapt if necessary and butter up the opponent, but when we’re finally ready, we’ll put them all up against the wall. (…) Dig a pit, get everyone in and put slaked lime on top.”
Almost anyone who wants to claim asylum in Germany, needs to cross the border unlawfully, in their world view that makes people “illegal”. The term is used to discredit people whether they ultimately gain asylum or a protection status or not.