Yeah what if I’m naked and my tits are out? I don’t wanna accidentally show the waiter my tits because an app decided to turn on my camera without asking
Yah I agree to that. Hell, if it was a virtual reservation system, even automatically calling without telling you that is what’s gonna happen is egregious. The app should function as you expect it would.
A lot of my current anxiety surrounding phone calls is actually just habit from when I was super dysphoric about my voice. I don’t really feel that way anymore, but subconsciously I’m still in the habit of trying to hide behind text.
As someone who is autistic, has an ample dose of ADHD, and the hearing of a brick, talking on the phone is a literal, hellish nightmare. I can barely figure out social interaction when I can see your face, I can’t pay attention to shit unless it’s actively grabbing my focus, and on the best of days the phone is about as intelligible as the adults from Peanuts.
Fuck. Phone. Calls.
It’s easy to take our experience of the world or how we feel about something and try to forcefully apply it to everyone else. This almost never works, and we just end up looking like a dumbass because people are messy and rarely fit in the same mold as us. Perhaps you feel that avoiding talking on the phone is ridiculous, but that is decidedly not universally true. Next time, maybe try and think through how other people might have a different experience and reason than you before passing such judgments.
Half the time the company requiring a phone call has absolutely shit quality. Idk wtf they do but it’s like the person on the other end is trying to yell into the phone atop a mountain from 500ft away
Obviously there should be ways to accommodate different accessibility in systems much like buildings should include ramps and elevators. I’m not talking about that.
There’s so many people I’ve met without auditory processing issues that still have this aversion to phone calls.
Why do people have to have a diagnosable thing wrong with them, like auditory processing issues, to have their feelings or experiences validated?
How do you know what the other person experiences? How do you know whether they have auditory problems or not? What right do you have to decide how someone else feels about something? Why do you get to decide how the world communicates?
This has nothing to do with talking on the phone. It’s about recognizing that we don’t get to have the corner market on the universe and learning to embrace the one thing that makes human beings interesting, our messiness. Even if that messiness is avoiding talking on the phone.
Pretty sure the video part was the entire reason for the reaction. Also, if I wanted to call to make a reservation I would have. I use the website when I’m in a loud place, on the toilet, or other location that isn’t appropriate for phone calls.
Plus a website lets me see what I chose instead of relying on the person on the other end getting it right, which has been pretty hit and miss for most things in my experience.
“Peoples’ aversion to walking is stunningly ridiculous and shouldn’t be enabled.”
I agree with that. People at work have discussed having pizza delivered from a restaurant that’s 400m away. This is ridiculous and should be discouraged. But it also doesn’t invalidate measures for disability.
I have to agree with bleistift2 that you chose a bad example here, at least in regards to the United States and other rampantly car-dependent places. Obviously the wording is ableist, but someone complaining about a real issue such as car-dependency or just generally high-class laziness might not think of that at the time.
A better example I think would be
People’s aversion to talking to others is stunningly ridiculous and shouldn’t be enabled.
Not only is this more obviously ignorant of disability, but it also doesn’t pose the question of if they’re arguing against something no-one should be complaining about vs real-world issues caused by corruption and late-stage capitalism. c/fuckcars
I don’t think it’s necessarily aversion. I think people are fundamentally not learning how to have human conversations. It’s kinda wild how often at my job I just have to fully take over a call and handfeed the person on the other end information, because if left to themselves they’ll just kinda fumble around confused at the concept of asking the question they called to ask. If you don’t know how to make a phone call, it’s not surprising that you wouldn’t ever want to.
I dislike phone calls because once you say the words, they’re out there and if you made a mistake you have to inconvenience someone to make a correction. It’s such a hassle. If it’s just a web form, I can re-read it as many times as I want to make sure it’s right before I submit and I only inconvenience myself.
It’s more aversion to your device suddenly making a phone call that you didn’t expect it to make.
Like, say you’re trying to make this reservation while you’re having a poop in a public restroom. You might have no problem calling to make a reservation when you’re in a more appropriate environment and you have all the information at hand. But, you might not want to unexpectedly have to talk to them while you’re grunting and pushing out a turd.
While that’s a wild UX choice and shouldn’t happen, people’s aversion to making a phone call is stunningly ridiculous and shouldn’t be enabled.
Phone call is one thing facetime another.
Yeah what if I’m naked and my tits are out? I don’t wanna accidentally show the waiter my tits because an app decided to turn on my camera without asking
Yah I agree to that. Hell, if it was a virtual reservation system, even automatically calling without telling you that is what’s gonna happen is egregious. The app should function as you expect it would.
A lot of my current anxiety surrounding phone calls is actually just habit from when I was super dysphoric about my voice. I don’t really feel that way anymore, but subconsciously I’m still in the habit of trying to hide behind text.
As someone who is autistic, has an ample dose of ADHD, and the hearing of a brick, talking on the phone is a literal, hellish nightmare. I can barely figure out social interaction when I can see your face, I can’t pay attention to shit unless it’s actively grabbing my focus, and on the best of days the phone is about as intelligible as the adults from Peanuts.
Fuck. Phone. Calls.
It’s easy to take our experience of the world or how we feel about something and try to forcefully apply it to everyone else. This almost never works, and we just end up looking like a dumbass because people are messy and rarely fit in the same mold as us. Perhaps you feel that avoiding talking on the phone is ridiculous, but that is decidedly not universally true. Next time, maybe try and think through how other people might have a different experience and reason than you before passing such judgments.
Half the time the company requiring a phone call has absolutely shit quality. Idk wtf they do but it’s like the person on the other end is trying to yell into the phone atop a mountain from 500ft away
Obviously there should be ways to accommodate different accessibility in systems much like buildings should include ramps and elevators. I’m not talking about that.
There’s so many people I’ve met without auditory processing issues that still have this aversion to phone calls.
And yet, Universal Design is exactly how we should be approaching society, no matter what one person thinks about other people:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_design
If you’ve met many, many people with this issue, maybe consider that it’s an actual issue instead of completely dismissing it?
Why do people have to have a diagnosable thing wrong with them, like auditory processing issues, to have their feelings or experiences validated?
How do you know what the other person experiences? How do you know whether they have auditory problems or not? What right do you have to decide how someone else feels about something? Why do you get to decide how the world communicates?
This has nothing to do with talking on the phone. It’s about recognizing that we don’t get to have the corner market on the universe and learning to embrace the one thing that makes human beings interesting, our messiness. Even if that messiness is avoiding talking on the phone.
Pretty sure the video part was the entire reason for the reaction. Also, if I wanted to call to make a reservation I would have. I use the website when I’m in a loud place, on the toilet, or other location that isn’t appropriate for phone calls.
Plus a website lets me see what I chose instead of relying on the person on the other end getting it right, which has been pretty hit and miss for most things in my experience.
“Peoples’ aversion to walking is stunningly ridiculous and shouldn’t be enabled.”
Sounds different if we choose a different activity. Such a blanket statement is offensive and doesn’t factor in disability.
Yeah if you change the words in a sentence it means something else
I agree with that. People at work have discussed having pizza delivered from a restaurant that’s 400m away. This is ridiculous and should be discouraged. But it also doesn’t invalidate measures for disability.
I have to agree with bleistift2 that you chose a bad example here, at least in regards to the United States and other rampantly car-dependent places. Obviously the wording is ableist, but someone complaining about a real issue such as car-dependency or just generally high-class laziness might not think of that at the time. A better example I think would be
Not only is this more obviously ignorant of disability, but it also doesn’t pose the question of if they’re arguing against something no-one should be complaining about vs real-world issues caused by corruption and late-stage capitalism. c/fuckcars
I don’t think it’s necessarily aversion. I think people are fundamentally not learning how to have human conversations. It’s kinda wild how often at my job I just have to fully take over a call and handfeed the person on the other end information, because if left to themselves they’ll just kinda fumble around confused at the concept of asking the question they called to ask. If you don’t know how to make a phone call, it’s not surprising that you wouldn’t ever want to.
google shyness
I dislike phone calls because once you say the words, they’re out there and if you made a mistake you have to inconvenience someone to make a correction. It’s such a hassle. If it’s just a web form, I can re-read it as many times as I want to make sure it’s right before I submit and I only inconvenience myself.
They’re already on the restaurant’s website, if they wanted to call they’d have done it directly.
It’s more aversion to your device suddenly making a phone call that you didn’t expect it to make.
Like, say you’re trying to make this reservation while you’re having a poop in a public restroom. You might have no problem calling to make a reservation when you’re in a more appropriate environment and you have all the information at hand. But, you might not want to unexpectedly have to talk to them while you’re grunting and pushing out a turd.
My social anxiety literally makes it impossible for me to vocalize. It’s the main reason I originally sought therapy.