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Protest against the Omarchy/Omacom Foundation and the tech companies and executives funding far-right open source.
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All I see here is major butt hurt
I clicked the first referenced article just out of curiosity, and the guy is like ‘The Brits are pissed because of the erosion of their national identity and that’s understandable’!
Dude. You’re talking about the biggest colonial empire in history…yet people like you actually love to complain about migrants and praise those who do the same…? Self-awareness of a rainworm.
From the article:
The Omarchy Doctrine is a public, fascist creed: heritage as duty, hold the line, the will to power. It matches Roger Griffin’s palingenetic populist ultranationalism and Robert Paxton’s first stage of fascism: a creed, a leader, followers. And there’s $18.5 million already pledged for the next stage.
Despite this, more than a dozen top tech executives and corporations have pledged millions to the Omarchy / Omacom Foundation. They include the CEOs of Shopify, Stripe, Dell, Cloudflare, Block, Dropbox, Coinbase, and others, as listed on Omarchy’s patrons page.
I think it is not despite, but precisely because of it that these people are funding it.
I thought that distro was just AI Slop? People are actually using it?
Yes. Mostly people who are too lazy to install Arch and also want a preset hyprland config provided by the distro (instead of just taking one from github)
Dafuq? It takes like no time to install arch lol. Dotfiles I guess takes a bit but anybody could just AI Slop something if they wanted…
Yeah, don’t use Omarchy, not sure why anyone would need to since there are versions with more stable support and a myriad of other free options for every niche. The site lists many great reasons not to use it, that is appreciated.
I don’t use Cloudflare but I’ll say that’s probably the hardest service for people to leave because it’s been the easiest to set up and forget.
Now my one gripe. The People to Avoid category is a weird omelette that put together multiple lists of people and brands them all as fascists to avoid. It’s a set of massive purity test retcons that are not productive because it mixes overt bigots (Yarvin) and Silicon Valley grifters (Dorsey) with people that are living foundations of open source who are accused of odd behaviour.
Is rms going around harassing women? Cuz the last talk I watched of him he was battling cancer. (I have read the Stallman Report, but as far as I interpret it he is just trying to make sense of normally taboo topics by writing it out, even if the way he writes it out people feel harmed or creeped out about it because it doesn’t match today’s accepted norms.) I wouldn’t ask him for dating advice but I wouldn’t hesitate to ask him for computer advice. Louis Rossman has an opinion that I believe is wrong, but not one he holds strongly enough that he would discriminate or disrespect a customer over it or let it interfere with the goals of owning goods you buy.
Yes, question the questionable parts, but to avoid them altogether is excessive IMHO, each should be taken case-by-case.
Everyone, without exception, is flawed in certain ways. While there are people that make their flaws their whole identity, which you should avoid, for those who don’t, you have accept to a certain degree to achieve solidarity and accomplish things bigger than themselves. That degree doesn’t have to be charitable as me, but my opinion is that lists that make it seem all equally bad is disingenuous.
If those individuals want to distance themselves from a Nazi movement, they can do so. They can put out statements clarifying their association. RMS battling cancer is an extreme case.
Right in the paraphrased quote declaring Rossman a transphobe he doesn’t care enough to be trans-exclusive, in fact I’d argue the main point is that the culture war is stupid and unproductive, he’d prefer to be inclusive because it’s irrelevant, that seems like clarification to me and it’s the author muddying the waters up with the bad paraphrasing. His organization FULU is funded by an organization called FUTO led by someone who is a loose acquaintance of a fascist supporter (fixed). I know almost exactly how Rossman picked up some chud-like opinions, it’s because he got bullied and screwed over so hard in New York, not from any other relationship. No evidence has been presented that he has anything to do with Omarchy, MAGA, or right-wing fascist movement, including that comment.
I want people not to confuse some latent opinions with a lack of integrity.
The full comment for context
I have my own idea of what a man or a woman is that I am going to guess is different from the politician in question. That being said, bringing this shit up all the time is absolutely counterproductive and useless. Especially when it has nothing to do with the topic at hand.
Imagine if I was talking to a politician who weighed 400 pounds and agreed with me on an issue that mattered. And let’s say that person did not like being referred to as fat because they do not think they are overweight. Would it be incumbent upon me to point out that they are fat? What benefit does that do for me? If this person is trying to help me not get screwed over by companies that lie and cheat to get laws passed in their favor so they can rob us blind, it’s not really important in that moment that I point out that that person is in fact obese. What their personal belief of “obesity” is is a useless discussion that has nothing to do with my own actions and identity.
What people choose to do in their own homes or what they choose to call themselves is their business and is not something I care to discuss.
What matters more than that to me is what people tell me I am not allowed to do in my own home with the products that I bought and paid for. That is an issue that is much more important to me.
I am not trying to argue this, but some people will say “It just looks like a linux distro that is designed to be more agentic friendly, even if some of its backers have unscrupulous pasts.” What is the response to this? Because I’m sure it’s vibe-coded and insecure, but there aren’t really linux distros that are agentic first distros and some computer enthusiasts really like AI. And yes, people can just install Jan or LM Studio on their own in another distro, but some people may want open source code and linux designed for AI. I know people on Lemmy often hate AI, so please don’t hate me for writing this. I just don’t totally get the reasoning aside from some people involved in the project seem to be assholes… or is that the reasoning?
To be honest, if not for security concerns I’d probably try this distro if it weren’t somehow linked to anti-trans things, which makes anything completely toxic. But I looked at the Omarchy page just to see what it looked like and conceptually for people interested in agentic stuff, it didn’t look that bad, it seemed sort of interesting.
Trans people are some of the best network engineers and coders out there and greatly help the open source community. Any open source project that isn’t kind to trans people should be ignored. Maybe that’s the point? That normally a project like this linked to anything anti-trans would be rejected by the open source community and it’s only through soulless corporations and right wing tech bros that this is existing?
The biggest issue for me is its ties to the Dark Enlightenment movement, which is much more scary than any -phobia or -ism.
This is a really interesting comment. I’d like to know more about your views on this.
This isn’t just a case of some abrasive people involved. The guy who runs the project, DHH, is an open and proud racist. He posts his very straightforward racist beliefs on his blog. He made ruby on rails, and after being rejected from the ruby community he’s now trying to insert himself into the Linux/open source community. On top of that, the “distro” is Arch + some dot files. Despite that, he’s managed to raise millions of dollars in outside funding, which is insane for open source project. Either his industry connections are willing to look past the racism and hand him a bunch of money anyway, or they actively agree with him and want to build a space for racists in the open source community.
Add in the AI stuff and people have plenty of reason to boycott this project.
Is he actually racist? I’ve read he wrote about remigration, but that’s about uncontrolled immigration, nothing to do with hatred for races
Well, the AI (LLM stuff) is right wing. It makes the last thing neoliberalism didn’t make obsolete useless. Who cares if you actually understand what you’re doing and are able to do it way better than a LLM. “You are now useless. Fuck you.”
The neoliberal ideology now made everyone useless. How can a person still be a neoliberal when you can see none of us really have any value (intellectual or otherwise), we never did. The only thing humans had was pretending to be useful (or competent in any way) and they are taking it away from us little by little.
That’s why I’m a leftist, I’ve seen basic human dignity being taken away from people since my childhood and experienced repression (as much as a minority in a non third world country can) and I know many people have it worse.
the value of a neoliberal is their capital, and that sowe of them at least support everyone’s right to complete bodily autonomy unlike most of the traditional left and right.
Same. Capitalism will kill us all if we don’t do something, that’s why I’m a social distributist.
I don’t know if I agree with you because someone still needs to tell an LLM what the project is for it to work and a normal person who has no science or computer science background can’t do that efficiently or check the technical aspects of a project to make sure the AI isn’t doing something incorrectly (and eventually the AI will do something incorrectly usually). I think we need UBI sooner rather than later because so many jobs will be obsolete, but if I’m chatting with an LLM or you are and we say “is the docker container up?” or “you built a page and there’s no clear way to navigate it” or “test for what would be exposed data in the case of a breach” the AI can do that, but a normal person doesn’t even understand any of that stuff to chat with an AI about that. I know it’s awful right now for coders who are getting paid less or are underemployed, but that seems to be more of a UBI problem instead of an LLM problem. There are legitimate environmental fears however, but LLMs and data centers seem to be a cherry on top of egregious environmental policy. Environmental catastrophe is headed this way with or without the cherry and it’s not clear to me if we had good universal public transportation and banned gasoline that somehow data centers would still be an existential human risk.
I think the problem is that decision makers /people in power often don’t understand the technical jargon either. All that matters is, “is it working?” So once they see that they can get it “working” without paying for the expertise, they will take it.
The thing is also - the LLM will eventually get it wrong, but the frontier models are pretty good at fixing it if you can articulate the problem. Even non technically.
Under the hood? Impossible to understand. But it works!
Counterpoint - system architecture is really built around helping humans to build mental models of systems. If your plan is to have LLMs to all the work in the future, those mental models no longer matter the way they did in the past.
Probably, systems will break, and LLM costs will rise, and the arithmetic will shift - but that isn’t happening fast enough to stop the brain drain and negative pressure on employment and compensation.
ugh… politics. wake me up when there is a technical controversy to talk about
+1 from me. People are so happy to boycott projects that are presenting different political views while they don’t bat an eye when other projects they back up are similarly political but on the other side of the spectrum.
I agree it’d be best to have apolitical tech initiatives but since people won’t be able to have their beliefs to themselves then we just have to agree everyone has the right to have their political opinion tied to the projects that they develop. Sad, but at least honest.
Uh yeah, projects on the side of the political spectrum which hurts people and acts in bad faith are not worth supporting, and projects on the side which protects and helps people are worth supporting, no shit dumbass.
I don’t think anyone wants apolitical tech except for a few people like you, who haven’t thought about it very much.
I want liberationary tech. The entire reason I got interested in FOSS in the first place was because it forms a natural extension of the liberationary political work that I do in other fields. If you want apolitical software, then why are you interested in linux, which inherently challenges traditional notions of copyright? No tech is apolitical.
Do you want Liberation or Liberalism/Libertarianism? No sure whether I should click on the “agree” icon. I hope for the former, specially if you’re coming from the working class.
I mean, I’m pretty sure this excuse for a distro shipped with multiple critical bugs lol.
It really should not be receiving funding when compared to the handful of other arch packs thst actually have a functioning security model.
i agree with this. OP should have started with that
People who don’t do politics are confusing to me.
i watched the video. my answer is simple, maybe even to a stupid degree: i don’t like to take heart medications
Are atomic bombs only technical to you? No tech is apolitical. Wake up.
you are making an unfair comparison here by comparing apples to oranges. atomic bombs kill people, linux distros dont. and if you are still upset just a reminder that many defense, air craft, and MILITARY missile launching systems …use linux
It’s not unfair. Giving mindshare to those fuckers helps to kill people in the end. And don’t be disingenuous, linux is in military systems, yes -that’s bad- just like the good guys must have atomic bombs as a deterrent of Imperial greed (hopefully the Iranian people are making theirs right now 🇮🇷✊🇵🇸✊)
Were all Arch Linux users always THIS insufferably apolitical? Mein Gott. That’s why the far-right has them by the balls.
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That is a fantastic page, well cited.
Also dang, I didn’t realize Jeff Geerling was so conservative about homosexuality and abortion. Pretty disappointing.
Yah, Rossman too. :(
Read the comment cited against Rossman and judge for yourself:
Rossman's supposedly 'transphobic' comment
I have my own idea of what a man or a woman is that I am going to guess is different from the politician in question. That being said, bringing this shit up all the time is absolutely counterproductive and useless. Especially when it has nothing to do with the topic at hand.
Imagine if I was talking to a politician who weighed 400 pounds and agreed with me on an issue that mattered. And let’s say that person did not like being referred to as fat because they do not think they are overweight. Would it be incumbent upon me to point out that they are fat? What benefit does that do for me? If this person is trying to help me not get screwed over by companies that lie and cheat to get laws passed in their favor so they can rob us blind, it’s not really important in that moment that I point out that that person is in fact obese. What their personal belief of “obesity” is is a useless discussion that has nothing to do with my own actions and identity.
What people choose to do in their own homes or what they choose to call themselves is their business and is not something I care to discuss.
What matters more than that to me is what people tell me I am not allowed to do in my own home with the products that I bought and paid for. That is an issue that is much more important to me.
I don’t think it’s possible to argue Rossman isn’t some degree of personally transphobic (for context, his video is about Brianna Titone, who is the first openly transgender state legislator elected in Colorado, and he is clearly referencing some degree of disagreement with her identity).
That much being said, he’s highlighting, to conservatives in his own audience, the fact that he wants to be both respectful and actually look beyond those personal beliefs to affect positive change. And based on his larger corpus of work, I don’t think that’s dishonest in any way.
Rossman doesn’t use his influence to lobby against trans rights. I don’t even think anybody would have known he had some personal issues until he mentioned them in a specific example that encourages people to set their own issues aside, for a positive cause.
Precisely. Showing a basic level of respect to work together doesn’t require agreeing on anything.
I don’t see how his comment is transphobic. It just seems reasonable to me. Maybe he’s really transphobic, but his comment just says that we should care about the matter we’re talking about, not the identity of the person who’s talking
I read that as “I don’t accept trans peoples gender, but will act like I do if it benefits me or my cause”, is there another interpretation I’m missing?
it’s more “i won’t argue or discuss it at all because it has nothing to do with me or my cause”, not do’s or don’t
No, he’s not one to pretend, he’s saying that what he or anyone else thinks about trans people just not relevant to him in virtually everything he does, fixing devices or supporting or rallying against a trans politicians’ position on other issues like technology.
To give a separate example, does Alice Weidel’s sexual orientation have any relevance to your opinion of the German right-wing fascist party leader? No, it’s similarly irrelevant, and I can make assumptions, but you don’t have to tell me you support or oppose gay marriage to know that.
Which is true, but his opinions are still transphobic lol. I don’t hate the guy for this, but let’s not pretend he’s not transphobic.
Yeah I can agree he has transphobic opinions, but they seem to come from a place of ignorance rather than hate because it’s not worth spending his time over.
I don’t know about the sources. If you read some of the sources, for example DHH’s own words in his blog posts, while you find conservative grievances which is certainly fair game for disagreement, there are no smoking guns of far right behaviour.
The comparison of omarchy’s design philosophy is particularly egregious. The philosophy is opinionated software. What does consuming a product without being in personal control of every single detail have to do with politics?
supporting tommy robinson isn’t far-right enough?
This is what he actually said:
That frustration was on wide display in Tommy Robinson’s march yesterday.He didn’t even say anything about Tommy Robinson or his politics, he was talking about a march.
Regardless of anything else DHH said or how you feel about it, I have not seen him voice any support for Robinson.
the amount of lies is interesting from your part.
Let’s go to the awfully fascist page https://world.hey.com/dhh/as-i-remember-london-e7d38e64 , search for “Robinson” and… 2 occurrences. the first being what you quoted* (“this frustration” referring to
So I get the frustration that many Brits have with the way mass immigration has changed the culture and makeup of not just London, but their whole country.
Then the second times shows
Which brings us back to Robinson’s powerful march yesterday. The banner said “March for Freedom”, and focused as much on that now distant-to-the-Brits concept of free speech, as it did on restoring national pride.
And for good reason! The totalitarian descent into censorious darkness in Britain has been as swift as its demographic shift. […]
So… he didn’t say anything about Robinson’s politics? You surely see only what you want.
…The heck happened?
I’ve been under a rock for a bit.
Explain to me: why is there so much hype (and controversy) around some Hyperland Arch Linux config, within like a month? Is this some astroturfing thing?
I will continue never using it
I even ask myself if ignoring them and leaving them to the irrelevance they deserve would be a better move than giving them the free “advertising” and probably even boosting their ego.
I’m right there with you. If anyone asks me about it, my response is “imagine that Arch Linux and OpenAI were going to have a child, but they were both doing too many drugs and alcohol, smoking 3 packs of camels per day each and lived near a garbage burning field in a Saharan country, Omarchy is the material resulting from that miscarriage”.
There’s just too many good Linux distros out there for me to even entertain the idea of ever giving that shit a chance.
I would agree if they did not have that much oil money backing them this kinda needs to be talked about imo
I am all on board with letting people know when open source is a bit too aligned with major companies or is somehow compromised.
I have no intent or need to use Omarchy.
This sites list of YouTubers to shun however is a bit too “purity test” for me. The reasons listed are, let’s say extremely tepid in many cases.
I’ve never heard Jeff Geerling talk about any issue other than homelab stuff like hardware pricing and availability. His religious and personal views were not apparent to me at all.
I watched the Louis Rossmann video mentioned with the CO State Rep, and Louis was respectful and platformed this individuals commentary on the subject of privacy issues for a long time in the video. Generally Rossmann seems to criticize the living hell out of politicians left, right, and center.
I guess all I am saying is… Use whatever products you do or don’t want to for your own reasons but, I disagree with the concept that I should brigade specific creators because they support Open Source but not 100% of my particular basket of other issues. We need Open Source to grow and need to reach out to diverse groups who can find value in it.
I will continue to listen to both Craft Computing Jeff (as far left as it is possible to be on social and gender issues) and Jeff Geerling (who is apparently conservative on these same issues) because I’m listening to them talk about homelab stuff, not telling me who to vote for etc.
Sadly, this whole scheme has been resumed into “Don’t use Omarchy because they are nazis!” – “Oh? And where you got that idea from?” – “B-b-because It’s what they are!”. It’s nothing else than a shit-flinging contest, with no logical/coherent reasoning other than typical emotional/impulse-driven reactions for the sake of “feeling included”.
Also, it’s sad to see at how this community went downhill fast because of politics, and on how the mods shrug at these posts – we are, indeed… reddit now.
child didnt even look at ANY of the evidence . AND THEN when they want to criticize the evidence presented , doesnt link ANY counter evidence .
ENLIGHTENED CENTRISM©®™ strikes again. BOTH sides are evil Mmmkay!? Mmmmkay! Ignorance Is Bliss©®™
Yikes. So much yikes. I’ll be a bit more invested now in deplatforming. I just thought the vibes were off in his NetworkChuck promotion.
This goes beyond that.
Did you even look at the evidence people always provide when talking about DHH? Or are you saying advocating for ethnic cleansing isn’t nazi? Ime people love to pretend that leftists are just making shit up when most of the time we show the receipts, which are even in the link in the original post here.
blah blah blah I don’t like politics
It’s 2026 and there still are bozos feigning to be apolitical. Incredible. Literally, because the same phenomenon is happening for example among farmers who voted Republican and had their faces eaten.
Also
mods shrug at these posts
You’re on lemmy.ML How clueless you are?
What are they getting for their money? Fork it if it’s so good.
Forking would mean the main developers does not work on it. They would need to work on their own. Do giving money will ensure the project stays up (in theory). Forking does not solve the issues you have with the mainline project automatically.
The only issue anyone seems to be taking with the main line project is the dev. Half of his design choices are completely uncontroversial on the other half would never generate this much fucking heat.
Eh no, there are two big issues with Omarchy: a) political issues with the dev, b) many big, dumb and very dangerous security issues.
It is really funny that I have no idea what security issues there are with the software, because everybody seems to be concerned with anything but.
That’s unfortunate that you are not informed. The best part is, that even DHH himself agrees that Omarchy has lot of bad security issues. His argument is that these get reported and fixed, so it will be secure someday (so his argument, but ignoring that vibe coding is never secure). Here is a part of the interview with Brodie in YouTube (about 10 minutes): https://youtu.be/M8gVXNlZFFg
- https://blog.happyfellow.dev/merchants-of-insecurity/
- https://youtu.be/DYu9391lVP0 another video from Brodie, this time talking about an issue where the default configuration was set to allow any remote control of Kitty without asking the user.
- https://lemmy.ml/post/52085916 Omarchy: Any User Process Can Escalate to Root (with default Docker password, that is no password)
- https://github.com/omacom/omarchy/pull/8129 [Security] Stop USB device names from being executed as Hyprland Lua
- https://github.com/omacom/omarchy/pull/7884 Stop an installed theme from running code - #7884
- https://github.com/omacom/omarchy/pull/7847 [Security] Stop a video title from becoming the Download Video play command
And the list goes on and on. These are not just security issues… these are dumb issues that should not have been there. Its incompetence and negligence. Every software has issues and bugs and security issues. But why don’t the other distributions have this many dumb issues like these? And it won’t get better, because its heavily vibe coded.
So I hope you are informed now.
Actual useful info, very cool. How interesting it might have been if this were the subject of the post, but sadly it seems like this is secondary to arguments about personality.
Aside from this dickhead and his shitty worldview, the OS is nothing more than a curated experience with what could be some fucking awful and dangerous AI implementations. I don’t understand how people with any modicum of tech literacy wouldn’t pass on this fucking thing INSTANTLY. I have always had mixed views on networkchuck, but to see him pumping this fucking thing up was pretty much my tipping point to writing him off completely.
And regarding DHH… I don’t know how you could listen to this guy talk, and not get the Euroid sociopath vibes. Plus his little harem of fanboys are presumably gonna be jumping in at this point. It’s just fucking gross. I passed on this months ago, and I will continue to pass.
Network chuck is someone I really liked when his channel was small, but once I realized he was posting videos that were 5 minutes long with a 1.5 minute ad plug, I was done. He always posts software that is just a free tier of something when there is probably a free and good option instead.
Yeah, I’m on the same boat. Shit, I would even drink coffee at his pace when watching his videos. He’s dropped real low in the lat year or 2.
Then there’s Tom Lawrence for networking. Objective, each tool has it use case and he will push nothing, basically just voice hos opinions and why. Like if Louis Rossmann was all about networking and way less angry 🤣. Full disclosure, I fucking love Rossmann, my wife hates him.
In this chapter of American deregulation, Rossmann is truly doing the fucking Lord’s work.
