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Looks about white
You can protest AND vote. One doesn’t cancel the other.
Now do USA imperial interference…
“But what about”
Russians are not inferring in U.S elections. This is conspiracy shit. The people who are saying both parties are bad are almost certainly not Russian agents, it’s ridiculous to claim that. Like I personally know multiple people irl who have those beliefs.
January 6th was a prime example of a Russian agent’s interference with US elections. Fact.
Jan 6th wasn’t an election and even if there was “a Russian agent” there that doesn’t mean everyone saying anything not in support of the Democrats are Russian agents.
The USA only does Good Foreign Interventions, what are you talking about!?
Why, who could forget the wholesome Operation Gladio or the cuddly Jakarta Method?
Also never forget how the big bad Russians were coming for the smol bean innocent Unit 754 scientists, but they were heroically saved from any war crimes trials by Our Boys. Best of all, we made sure their “work” didn’t go to waste and was expanded and used against civilians all over East Asia! Democracy!
Both are bad!
Daily reminder~ bOtH sIdEs aren’t the same, but they are bOtH anti-union, pro-billionaire, and pro-corporate.
Thank you! You’ve been a wonderful audience.
we get one year to say this freely, after that we will be told that we are clearly spies and/or bots working for Russia posting to influence the election and stop voting. Every election. Forever.
If you’re suggesting that Democrats aren’t worth voting for, you’re a Russian keyboard commando
If you’re suggesting that Republicans aren’t worth voting for, you’re a Chinese Wumao Tankie.
If you vote Green, you’re a dupe for the Republicans. If you vote Libertarian, you’re a dupe for the Democrats. If you don’t vote at all, you’re the singular reason my 60/40 district didn’t break the correct way.
If you vote for the opposition party, you’re a traitor, a degenerate, a racist, a fascist, a lunatic, an idiot, possibly all of the above.
If you vote for the correct party, you need to just shut up and get in line. Quit criticizing the party after the election. There’s nothing else to be done.
If you have a little flag that says “End the Wars” while you’re in line to vote, GTFO we don’t want you here, I don’t care who you are voting for.
If you vote Green, you’re a dupe for the Republicans. If you vote Libertarian, you’re a dupe for the Democrats. If you don’t vote at all, you’re the singular reason my 60/40 district didn’t break the correct way.
This is a childish interpretation of electoral politics. How would a vote for a third party help any mainstream candidate? If you’ve vote for libertarians you’re just a libertarian dumbass. Lmfao.
If you vote for the correct party, you need to just shut up and get in line. Quit criticizing the party after the election. There’s nothing else to be done.
If you have a little flag that says “End the Wars” while you’re in line to vote, GTFO we don’t want you here, I don’t care who you are voting for.
Is this really how you feel? or some joke I’m not picking up on? You don’t think politicians should be held to any leftist standard if they win? Why tf not? Why do we even bother electing them, you want all of them to go John Fetterman? That’s how you fucking lose elections dude.
I actually believe that people who are anti-war and anti fascists opinions do matter, and if you want those people to vote and “break your counties election the right way” you are going to actually have to start caring about black people, LGBT and other marginalized groups, working class, and anti War activists.
If you’re trying to get people to vote liberal telling them to “fuck off we don’t want you here” is incredibly stupid and short sighted.
It’s almost as if they’re both bad: but one is significantly worse than the other and in most races there isn’t a viable 3rd option.
So if regardless of who wins we’re going to have to coerce, argue, and fight them … why the hell wouldn’t we pick the one we have a better chance against?
All of these are different people you are describing.
If they’re all pro-billionaire, why are the billionaires spending so much money supporting one side?
They are spending money on both sides.
AIPAC spent $60M on the Michigan primary alone. George and Alex Soros dropped a full $100M this election cycle. Crypto billionaire Chris Larsen was spreading his $65M all over the board. Michael Bloomberg allocated $80 million just during September and October 2026 to support Democratic candidates. This, after he’d dropped a cool billy trying to buy out the 2020 primary. Tom Steyer put up $213 million this year, for California Governor.
There’s no shortage of liberal billionaire mega-donors.
Yeah but I’ve seen people use the logic that since both sides are anti union, pro billionaire and pro corporate, both sides are exactly the same.
… (how does it make them different?) …
says why they are the same but implies there are differences
Hey how are these similarities showing they are different?
Capitalist, anti union party is still more similar than they are different. Celebrate all you want but the American left is not even halfway done with this battle, and some of you are acting like it is.
You should look up the right side’s policies on immigration, abortion, and LGBTQ+ rights to exist on earth. I think you’ll find some slight differences of opinion between the parties there, and I’d hope you can see why that would sway people’s opinions on which one is more evil than the other.
Two things having similarities does not mean they are the same thing.
Well Talarico has the same racist immigration rhetoric that Trump does: deport drug dealers and criminals, even though we know most drug traffickers don’t come from Mexico through legal immigration and that’s a racist lie.
Amy Klobuchar receives money from a systemically genocidal apartheid state and she’s my new governor.
Being happy about the blue wave is one thing, I voted blue just in case, but acting like they (and more importantly their right wing capitulation) is also another thing.
Shame on me for trying to hold my party, and others who actually call themselves Socialists now, accountable from a left standpoint.
So called progressives have already called me slurs today and I fuckin voted. Idk what more you want from me. lol jfc. Hold your leaders accountable. Take a little criticism.
My point was entirely that they are different from Republicans, which was exactly the question you asked.
You didn’t ask if there were reasonable things to critique Democrats over, especially individually…Of course the answer to that is yes, and there’s no shame on you for a caring about that.
Well thank you, because I have been shamed quite a bit today for caring despite always voting blue and then working from there, always punching right and never left, etc.
Dated but still true. “But there’s a reason. There’s a reason. There’s a reason for this, there’s a reason education SUCKS, and it’s the same reason it will never, ever, EVER be fixed. It’s never going to get any better, don’t look for it, be happy with what you’ve got. Because the owners, the owners of this country don’t want that. I’m talking about the real owners now, the BIG owners! The Wealthy… the REAL owners! The big wealthy business interests that control things and make all the important decisions. Forget the politicians. They are irrelevant. The politicians are put there to give you the idea that you have freedom of choice. You don’t. You have no choice! You have OWNERS! They OWN YOU. They own everything. They own all the important land. They own and control the corporations. They’ve long since bought, and paid for the Senate, the Congress, the state houses, the city halls, they got the judges in their back pockets and they own all the big media companies, so they control just about all of the news and information you get to hear. They got you by the balls. They spend billions of dollars every year lobbying, lobbying, to get what they want. Well, we know what they want. They want more for themselves and less for everybody else, but I’ll tell you what they don’t want: They don’t want a population of citizens capable of critical thinking. They don’t want well informed, well educated people capable of critical thinking. They’re not interested in that. That doesn’t help them. Thats against their interests. Thats right. They don’t want people who are smart enough to sit around a kitchen table and think about how badly they’re getting fucked by a system that threw them overboard 30 fucking years ago. They don’t want that! You know what they want? They want obedient workers. Obedient workers, people who are just smart enough to run the machines and do the paperwork. And just dumb enough to passively accept all these increasingly shitty jobs with the lower pay, the longer hours, the reduced benefits, the end of overtime and vanishing pension that disappears the minute you go to collect it, and now they’re coming for your Social Security money. They want your retirement money. They want it back so they can give it to their criminal friends on Wall Street, and you know something? They’ll get it. They’ll get it all from you sooner or later cause they own this fucking place! It’s a big club, and you ain’t in it! You, and I, are not in the big club. By the way, it’s the same big club they use to beat you over the head with all day long when they tell you what to believe. All day long beating you over the head with their media telling you what to believe, what to think and what to buy. The table has tilted folks. The game is rigged and nobody seems to notice. Nobody seems to care! Good honest hard-working people; white collar, blue collar it doesn’t matter what color shirt you have on. Good honest hard-working people continue, these are people of modest means, continue to elect these rich cock suckers who don’t give a fuck about you….they don’t give a fuck about you… they don’t give a FUCK about you. They don’t care about you at all… at all… AT ALL. And nobody seems to notice. Nobody seems to care. That’s what the owners count on. The fact that Americans will probably remain willfully ignorant of the big red, white and blue dick that’s being jammed up their assholes everyday, because the owners of this country know the truth. It’s called the American Dream,because you have to be asleep to believe it. George Carlin
there’s a reason education SUCKS
America has one of the best public education systems on the planet. It’s practically the model for the rest of the globe and has been for over a century.
One of the few things Americans consistently get right is public education. It’s consistently the largest budget item for state and municipal governments. It produces an enormous population of professional workers. It’s a big reason we have the largest economy in the world.
You’d think Carlin would know that, given how many of his fans discovered him in college
George Carlin was a dumbshit and his standup is overrated
If both sides aren’t the same, how do you explain the 1952 Texas gubernatorial election?
Reptilians
Go out and VOTE. That’s the least fucking thing you must do as a citizen.
But spare us the theatrics, US is patently evil. You can try to lower the evil, however history will still remember your complacency.
Now go ahead with ad-hominems.
Trump supporters will not know what an ad hominems attack is. The average American Trump supporter is a gun toting, neoliberal, bear shooting, death penalty supporting, misogynist, who believe that LGBT people should be stoned to death Old Testament style, a white supremacist, anti-vaccine, climate change denying, anti-evolution, anti- science, flat earth believing, pro-life, anti- intellectual, sanctimonious evangelical Christian, Islamophobic bigot. Chem trail obsessive, xenophobic and a racist. Also ignorant, stupid, perverted and possibly demented.
Okay Sephiroth
Everyone should vote.
Both sides arent the same.
People should be free to transfer their vote if their first pick doesn’t win. 3rd parties should be free to compete in the electoral system without a spoiler effect.
Did I miss anything?
People should be free to transfer their vote if their first pick doesn’t win. 3rd parties should be free to compete in the electoral system without a spoiler effect.
Don’t hold your breath.
In 1776 some guys “invented” the concept of voating and haven’t changed it since. First past the post is easy to admin and understand but it doesn’t properly represent the people. The party system doesn’t help eather.
That’s just factually inaccurate. In 1776 some guys said the states get to choose how to handle voting. Thebstates still don’thave to donthat, and some don’t. Alaska has been in the news nust this week because its ranked-choice voting keeps the 2 Sullivans from creating a spoiler effect from voter confusion.
And even then, Senators weren’t directly elected until 1914 - prior to the 17th Amendment they were appointed by the State legislatures.
states aren’t forced to use first past the post voting, they choose to.
Ranked choice voting!
I was a ranked choice voting fan, but this swayed me towards STAR voting. RCV would still be far better then First-past-the-post of course.
Alaska has it since 2022(, and Maine for federal elections).
However, a same ranked-choice voting election doesn’t mean the same outcome, since we also need to decide on the way to count the votes(, e.g., Ranked Pairs, Schulze, …, or even Borda count, STAR voting, …). Concretely, as a result of Alaska’s instant run-off system of “exhausted ballots”(, i.e., if a voter’s ranked candidates have all been eliminated, their ballot no longer contributes to the final round,) Nick Begich(Rep.) ended up eliminated first, despite being the Condorcet winner, since he would have beaten both Mary Peltola(Dem.) and Sarah Palin(Rep.) in head-to-head.
To be noted that, yesterday, alaskans voted in a referendum 51-49(, final results still unclear yet,) to keep the ranked-choice voting.I’m very much in favor of real/direct democracy(, e.g. sortition to prepare the laws later submitted via referendum, as in ancient Greece), but in the meantime ranked-choice voting isn’t enough :
- We could/should counter this “winner takes all” through proportional representation, i.e., a party receiving 20% of the votes would receive 20% of the seats. Ranked-choice make it easier to vote 3rd party, but proportionality(, which Alaska doesn’t have,) increases the chances of them getting a seat ;
- There should be campaign-finance reforms, as well as an equal mediatic representativity ;
- gerrymandering of course(, even though proportional representation would already reduce it) ;
- perhaps an open primary like in Alaska, where all candidates compete in the same primary, regardless of political party, and more probably(, e.g., why should there be only one representative per congressional district ?)The thing is that we all agree that there are problems, and we all agree that solutions exists(, better than the ones quickly sketched here), that these solutions would solve these problems. There’s a lack of will, just like the disparition of investigative journalism, which is a vital public service, as important as hospitals/firefighters/…, that should be financed by our taxes. Among other things for which there’s neither a lack of widespread complaints nor viable solutions.
Sam is running for congress, with a message that crystal clear : instead of bombing houses/schools/hospitals/… we should be building those things here
You may disagree with all the positions offered but assuming they’re bots is incredibly naive.
That is correct, some of them are just useful idiots. The result is the same, though.
It’s not naive, it’s their excuse to switch their brains off.
If uncomfortable thoughts only come from faraway malicious others trying to undermine your “democracy”, you can dismiss them guilt-free.
Now you can simply drop a piece of paper in a box and call it good. Nothing scary needs to be done or considered to arrest the decade long freefall into overt fascism that you wait no stop you’re thinking again.
Voting matters but convincing people that it’s less than the bare minimum they need to be doing is like pulling teeth.
brain dead
Yes, because after 3 major election cycles that were inundated with (proven) bad actors flooding social media with the same tired talking points people aren’t suspicious of brand new accounts relentlessly spaming those same talking points right before another major election.
God, people are so braindead.
Yeah good point, Russia has famously never astroturfed online. Also, humans aren’t bots. The word literally means robot.
FBI would like a few astros to sell you.
“But what about–”
There is no greater humiliation than saying this
Who saying this? Your handler?
Don’t speak about your mother that way. She handles me with a practiced hand.
insult on you. my mother has been Gaia’s property for quite sometime. some shrimp probably already claimed whatever intended to do with her corpse.
I never denied that Russia trolls online; it’s a huge part of their intelligence doctrine. Also, humans direct networks of bots.
what is context? Hmm, I dunno, but I’m gonna deliberately misinterpret everything just in case
What leads to this behavior? Did you hang out behind a lot of idling buses for 20 years?
Are you a shitbag IRL or just online?
Baby’s first leading question aside, no, I don’t suffer fools in any context.
Must be hard hating yourself so much
Five vertebrae popped as you reached for that
I just have to ask, when both candidates have espoused transphobic rhetoric, who do trans people vote for then? The end goal for both individuals is more dead trans kids.
The one you’d rather fight.
Your choice
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fighting during a Republican presidency with hundreds of thousands of angry democrats who don’t like a rude guy disrupting their brunch
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fighting alone during a Democrat presidency while democrats call you Russian or Chinese or claiming you’re trying to spoil an upcoming election that is years away
Cops will shoot and kill you regardless of which party is in charge if you are actually fighting.
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These libs really don’t give a shit about trans people. They just want you to vote for their “party”. It’s yet another example of how liberalism supports fascism.
I try not to assume but so far I’ve a good average of pointing out someone is liberal. I pointed out to one that the liberals are not the left, stop pretending and was called everything under the sun with utter vitriol. When you get down to it, they’re not too far away from the MAGA they despise.
Is trans equality the only thing you care about? If that goal were achieved, would you be able to rest for the next half decade with no worries in the world?
Go to the 2nd bullet point on your political dance card and vote for that.
For a person who clearly cares about gender issues, you are remarkably binary in your priorities.
“Is not putting jews in camps the only thing you care about? Vote for Ernst Röhm, he at least doesn’t want to kill all gay people.”
There is strategy in making people who ignore your rights suffer. If they get you as an ally without granting you rights why would they ever grant you rights if it may cost them support or another group?
You actually should burn everyone in an unjust society.
I’m sorry that you don’t view humans rights issues as that high of a priority to make it a situation you’re willing to compromise on. I’m sorry I didn’t say every single last thing that is a priority to me to satiate you. I don’t have time to make a bulleted list of things I no longer compromise on.
You vote for the lesser of two evils because one of the two will win no matter what you do, there’s no third option that you can take -to VERY clear- on election day.
If they both want the exact same anti-trans policies (unlikely, I’m not even sure what race that might be) you can find some of the other important policies that differentiate them.
Then you fight like hell to have better options next time in the other 364 days of the year (usually 2 or more years in between). Or if you don’t think democracy works do whatever it is you want to do to get your way and, unironically, godspeed.
I think the most sickening line people pull is that voting like this for a candidate is some sort of moral reflection of you. It is literally taking elections more seriously than the voters they pretend to be above. It’s just 20 minutes of a random day to try and get fewer bad results than the alternative.
Here is an article with further links on that happening with either candidates espousing anti-trans view points.
The link to the candidates in question: https://www.erininthemorning.com/p/the-guide-to-anti-trans-democrats
I am tired of human rights being considered a negotiable topic.
Edit: As well two propositions in Colorado that are anti-trans were passed. It’s still an issue even with Democratic voters and I don’t want people to lose sight of that.
This isn’t really a response to my post…
I never said there weren’t Democrats that are anti-trans. I said on election day one of the two candidates are going to win.
Edit: I suppose my one like could have been clearer. I did not mean both candidates would support any of the exact same anti-trans policies. They would have to support all of the exact same anti-trans policies. The way I worded it was vague I’ll admit.
Since you’re already perfectly aware that the answer is to vote for the people who openly include pro-trans candidates in their ranks, and not the people openly saying you should be either forcibly detransed or killed, I’m unsure what kind of answer you expect. I suppose you could write in Pontius Pilate since you’re nearly on the cross already.
Except the Democrats have been feeling about throwing trans people under the bus and anti-trans legislation still passed despite all this. The blue wave we see has a worrying undercurrent to it that’ll drown many people in its wake still.
Good point. We should have just let the Republicans win instead.
I love we come to this point and I people like me have to point out there’s no fundamental difference. Gaza would still be destroyed with an on going genocide of the Palestinian people, LGTB+ people will still see genocide. It’s easy to say “harm reduction” when you’re not the one being marginalized from safety.
I bet it’s so awesome being this dumb
Doesn’t matter the color of the sock wearing the black boot.
Good one
If only more democratic socialists would run.
I would, but being a fired cop is ballot poison.
Blue maga have told me the formula is simple.
Harm caused by Republicans - Harm caused by democrats = democrats are better.
You dont get to ask for representation in government, you simply make this calculation and vote accordingly. No other optiins or reforms will be considered. Asking for more then these two options makes you a evil communist republican nazi commie socialist. This is what they call democracy.
So glad I didn’t have kids. They will not have to suffer these people who are unfortunately my fellow US citizens. They won’t have to go to work for the worst people, they wont have to pay rent to the worst people. My unborn children are safe forever from life here.
And having a dissenting opinion and views automatically makes you a tankie. I’m just tired of human rights issues being a situation we must compromise on.
ITT: A lot of peple bringing their best “I don’t care about those other people, I’ve got mine” rhetoric
I’m honestly tired of LGBT+ rights, thus human rights, being considered a position to compromise on at all.
In other words, a lot of Americans in this thread.
I’ve got mine, I don’t care about the others
Ah, the traditional American rhetoric.
the lesser of two evils is still evil
And yet it is also still lesser
And the greater of two evils is your mom
Bot
Go and riot then. Show me up.
The person i was gonna vote for dropped out last minute.
i was staring at my ballot just eyes glazed over looking at two crusty old white dudes who both vocally support israel n shit. One was red and racist, the other was blue lawyer who I know actively scammed the state for millions of dollars in a shady ass class action lawsuit that ended with no money being given to the plantiffs.
This shit sucks. Do I write in the guy I was gonna vote for anyway? I sure as shit don’t want to vote for the only two fucks on the ballot, they’ll rot my community from the inside.
To be fair, one side wants more money trans people to not exist and women to go to prison for terminating a non-viable pregnancy before it kills them. The other side at least pretends to care about human rights. So the decision is easy. Vote against dehumanization.
voting for someone third party is actually voting against dehumanization but christ alive everybody shits on me if I ever mention voting for someone not supporting an active genocide
I don’t support genocide. I voted blue because to do anything else is to waste your vote; whether or not you like it, we’re still stuck in a two party system. Until that changes, vote blue.
Pretends to care about human rights while not caring about human rights is worse because people won’t oppose them.
You vote for the least vile, and maybe next time you at least vote in the primaries to make sure “your guy” stays around, maybe even donate to their campaign or volunteer.
Or you know principled anti-capitalists don’t want to give away there power. Oh i forget everyone who disagrees with you are scary foreigners.
Trying this hard to look unbothered is a ghoulish sight.
Wtf are you talking about
