Okay, so the CEO of Proton didn’t pass your purity test, I get it. But you know which CEOs also suck? The CEO of Google and the CEO of Microsoft. How can we expect secure and private alternatives to these ecosystems to flourish if we are constantly engaged in infighting? We will get nowhere if we reject every service that is short of perfect. Let’s keep our eyes on the bigger picture here.
Another hot take: I suspect that at least some of the hate directed at Proton is a smear campaign by some state actor who wants to see private online platforms fail.
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Hot take. Proton provides a false sense of security to it’s users. Anyone worrying about proton now was never serious about security in the first place.
So you’re entire argument is “what about ___?”
If only there were a term for such a logical fallacy
How do you think Google and Microsoft got that way? Unchecked leadership. People are up in arms not because they don’t see value in what Proton has done for the ecosystem, but for the very reason.
Well…
Security is serious. If there’s evidence Proton executives are suffering from AI Psychosis, that is a threat to the platform’s security, and we won’t find out until it’s too late.
That is an unacceptable risk.
But that aside (let’s say for using Proton as a less sensitive email/service)… I agree.
In that sense, it’s like Linux. People raised an absolute fuss over the kernel’s LLM policy, accusing Torvalds of all sorts of things, and guess what? Linux hasn’t changed one bit.
For low security usage, I’m willing to wait until problems actually show up in Proton’s software, to support a competitor to Google/MS with serious critical mass, and hope their leadership is changed, as clearly many employees there are doing good work.
My hot take: people aren’t hard enough on Proton
“I know this is an unpopular opinion, but I think we are too harsh on cancer, I mean……”
I swear this community is primarily for people to farm useless internet points…
People choose proton for security. Handing it over to AI is a huge security risk. Do you see the problem? They’re not providing the service they promised.
Absolutely worthy of an upvote, as it is indeed unpopular.
As it turns out, Andy has no immunity to the Find Out part. He is who and what he is, and the rest is just attempts at damage control.
Punt Andy, be responsive to the wants and needs of the user base, and I’ll sign right up again.
Okay, so the CEO of Proton didn’t pass your purity test
Didn’t pass the asshole test.
I don’t have to give my money to Proton, or Microsoft, or Google. That’s a choice that I make, and that’s the free market.
Give too much money and power to people and they turn into megalomaniacs. It’s been proven again and again. It’s up to us as consumers to vote with our wallets when CEOs start getting chummy with fascists.
It’s become painfully obvious to me that people in general cannot think without binary good/bad being front and center. Proton deserves criticism and we should demand better. But I’ve encountered dozens, maybe hundreds, of users who either outright say they are as bad as Google, or want you to think that by the novel they wrote to convince you.
It seems impossible for most people to become concerned and criticize without outright damning and becoming defensive and enraged if you suggest not doing that. You cannot even suggest something completely reasonable and true like “nothing is perfect” without a commenter stopping reading right there and telling you what a garbage human you are for welcoming fascists into the world. Those reactions just tell me that a lot of people are so isolated, they’d never be able to converse with a typical person, who btw has never heard of proton, signal, or any other app that is less shitty to use. Because those types of users will bite your head off for anything perceived as standing up for apps/companies/platforms they have deemed impure.
Very well said, thank you. And this culture of toxicity is not conducive to mainstream adoption of these platforms.
Yep. I feel like I suffer from binary thinking often enough but if I look at Lemmy I often get the impression that I’m one of the few people capable of avoiding that mindset. I don’t know how people survive thinking that way. I just switched to proton and it’s not fun updating your email in 100 spots. If I thought like that I literally would’ve had to repeat the process immediately again versus weighing the pros and cons and considering the possibility that things might improve. It’s possible given that the entire selling point for their customers has been somewhat rendered null or at least heading that way. The CEO could be ousted tomorrow. If I switched already what have I proven other than my supposed moral purity?
Smh my head
Yes, you’re right.
Fuck em all.
Did you read the 404 media article? Like more than the headline?
There is a slew of valid complaints against Andy Yen and assuming this must be a state actor means not holding them accountable, here’s just a few points:
- Andy wants proton to fully embrace ai and said there would be re-interviews based on the employees use of AI. The implicit threat here was firing employees who don’t embrace AI. This may have been walked back but it still says a lot
- Andy said this may be the last year they hire engineers. He wants to use AI and just have people supervise the AI.
- he thinks releasing untested code into prod is ok and that it’s “loser thinking” to suggest taking a few days to test.
There’s a lot more in the article but just from those points you have a shitty employer showing they don’t value human talent and don’t care about shipping potentially unsafe code which is especially problematic when they want to get rid of the people who could understand the code.
You’re basically saying that that things should get a pass even if they aren’t perfect. But that ignores the context of a privacy and security product that is showing unsafe practices. Other CEOs “sucking” is irrelevant. Those other CEO’s aren’t doing something antithesis to their stated goals. To me i could accept AI use in proton, however, it still needs to have engineers who can understand and review the code, and it still needs to be tested. That’s not what Andy yen wants to do though, and that’s the problem. It’s not just about AI.
But bravo for the unpopular opinion.
Like more than the headline?
nobody on lemmy does that, come on
