• AntiOutsideAktion@lemmy.ml
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    10 days ago

    No election is going to ever have an outcome that addresses climate change on the timescale that it’s going to affect us so who the fuck cares? Society will collapse and the American political system with it. And you know this is coming but you’re still putting all of your thoughts and energy into the direction of that system. The framing of your question is the problem. The thing that should have happened ‘during this election’ (read: the last 18 months and only that few because it was a midterm) was developing militant dual power instiutions so that when that breakdown happens we aren’t swept away in the default fascist renewal of capitalism.

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      9 days ago

      I agree, proper change sure as shit isn’t coming from the Dems, but you can still try to pick the lesser of 2 evils in the meantime.

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        9 days ago

        Why waste your time on a party that is going to perpetuate the problem, when there are other parties that are fighting against the problem.

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          9 days ago

          I’m not saying campaign for them or support them in any way. Just cast your vote for them so the country goes to shit a bit slower and prepare for actual change in your spare time. Organize a protest, join a union, burn a billionaire at a stake.

          Voting for a 3rd party will never give them any legislative power bc of your weird ass election system. If it was a parliamentary system sure, but not with whatever you got.

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            8 days ago

            Actually, why tf should I care about you fucks?

            Whether its a democrat or republican, Palestinians and Lebanese people and Yemeni people are slaughtered everyday.

            Why do your lives matter more than theirs? Especially after everything your shithole country has done to the rest of us.

            Vote PSL or dont vote at all. And just for the record, for the next 2 years, I’ll be egging on MAGAts to vote for MAGA again in 2028 so your shithole country can implode sooner

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            9 days ago

            Just cast your vote for them so the country goes to shit a bit slower and prepare for actual change in your spare time.

            I’m not sure that’s useful. The Dems are a short-term subtraction of harm, but a long-term multiplication of harm. When they get elected, the fascist system keeps getting built out, but it’s all hidden away so that it’s not so obvious.

            Voting for a 3rd party will never give them any legislative power…

            Yeah, that’s what I want. I dont want the Dems to have power. Just like I don’t want the Republicans to have power.

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              9 days ago

              I see your point, but going for the worse option so people wake up is rather bold. And at least I can’t do that with good conscience, because I’m a white cis man, I’d be the last person to really have any consequences from that. And I can’t gamble the safety of other groups like that.

              I’m not saying be complicit. Strike, protest and riot. Make your voice heard. Call for a parliamentary democracy, whatever.

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                8 days ago

                I see your point, but going for the worse option so people wake up is rather bold.

                I don’t know where you got that reasoning, I never said it.

                I’m a white cis man, I’d be the last person to really have any consequences from that. And I can’t gamble the safety of other groups like that.

                As a fellow white cis man, not only are you gambling with the safety of other groups by voting for the Democrats, you are losing that gamble on a daily basis. When the Dems have been in power, they’ve been kidnapping, torturing, mass deporting, etc marginalized people all the time. They also help and enable the Republicans. They aren’t fighting against the Republicans, they are on the same team, building out the same system.

                I’m not saying be complicit. Strike, protest and riot. Make your voice heard. Call for a parliamentary democracy, whatever.

                Sure, but know that the Democrats stand side-by-side with the Republicans to stop that type of action from being successful.

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                  8 days ago

                  I know the Dems suck, I just don’t think you’ll be able to vote your way out of this shit.

                  But I’m not American, so idk the intricacies of your system. What would you say is the best way to get away from the 2 party system?

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                    8 days ago

                    I know the Dems suck, I just don’t think you’ll be able to vote your way out of this shit.

                    Oh, yeah, 100%. I’m not saying voting is all you should do at all.

                    But I’m not American, so idk the intricacies of your system. What would you say is the best way to get away from the 2 party system?

                    🔥 🍾 🔥

                    It’s going to take a revolution

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      9 days ago

      I don’t think people realize just how close we are to a multi breadbasket failure and the deaths of 500,000,000 people lol.