• TomMasz@piefed.social
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    3 hours ago

    From the 6th Amendment:

    In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial

    Not than anyone cares since this is routinely overlooked in our “justice” system.

  • NotSteve_@lemmy.ca
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    8 hours ago

    It’s funny how he mostly disappeared from the public eye after getting arrested. It’s as if he was less convenient as a scapegoat given his right-wing beliefs

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      7 hours ago

      They told the conservative subs that he was a die hard left winger, and then told the leftist spaces that he was a groyper. Then they basically hid him for a year.

      There is something going on and it’s 100% not because of his right wing beliefs. As far as I can tell, he was dating a trans girl and his family explicitly said he hated Charlie Kirk. I haven’t seen anything pointing to him being right wing other than being raised in a right wing household.

      I personally don’t even think he did it.

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        7 hours ago

        Yeah is nuts also what happened to getting speedy and just trail 2028 that bullshit. Definitely going use him as the left wing boogyman for their presidential run. After all Kirk was being groomed for his own presidential run if I heard sources correctly.

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        True yeah. It’s extremely strange when put next to the treatment of Luigi. You’d think they’d go even crazier making an example of someone who killed their Conservative lord and savior compared to a random insurance CEO

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      I don’t think the state has great evidence to convince anyone it’s actually him either. In discovery, they’ve only shown blurry photos of someone sorta looking like Tyler but in two different sets of clothes, the timeline is something wacky, the rifle doesn’t exist in the photos allegedly of Tyler, ballistics don’t match exit wound to caliber of rifle found. So it seems like they’ll just bury it till 2028 and use him to boost voter turnout.

      • kn33@lemmy.world
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        8 hours ago

        Ballistic science isn’t actually that great, so that’s not surprising. The thing they really have on him is the confession, so that’ll be interesting to see how that plays out.

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          What did the roommate dispute in the Wikipedia page you linked? I don’t see anything significant there. The grouper link is related to the inscriptions on the bullet casings, “hey fascist, catch” Nick Fuentes commonly referred to Kirk as being a fascist. “Owo checks bulge” is another groyper term “Bella ciao” anti fascist anthem was used by groypers in their campaign against Kirk.

          This is the strongest evidence we currently have for his beliefs and motivations. On the balance of probability I think it’s safe to say he was a groyper type, unless you have any other evidence or explanation for this.

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            https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/notices-bulge-owo-whats-this

            So Owo checks bulge is mostly furry culture, I can’t find anything on Nick Fuentes using it other than a mountain of articles post shooting. If you have a source before that, I’m interested in reading it.

            The rest is either memes that aren’t really right wing related or stuff that is simply anti fascist. The Bella Chow songs seems to be only associated with Nick Fuentes because it appeared on a playlist with his name on it once?

            Idk, the whole thing stinks and seems really forced. The alt right doesn’t own helldivers and anti fascist songs and catches phrases. The whole thing seems silly the moment you start actually looking into it.

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            5 hours ago

            When the roommate asked why Robinson had done it, he answered, “I had enough of his hatred. Some hate can’t be negotiated out.”

            This doesn’t really support the notion of him thinking Charlie wasn’t right wing enough. Especially not when paired with the mom’s statement of him becoming more pro-gay and pro-trans.

            edit: not really sure what groyper is, but you say yourself it’s anti-fascist, so how is that right-wing?

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                Alright, I think I got the gist.

                So what’s the connection to the alleged shooter? Just the slogan on the bullets? That just sounds like some edgy teen shit, but I find it hard to believe that the alleged shooter shared many views with this Nick Fuentes guy.