• Shayeta@feddit.org
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    9 days ago

    Someone unknown forces their way into your shelter filled with loved ones. Attacking them is “deeply psychopathic”? My friend, this is the most natural response to such an event, to the point it transcents time, place and even species.

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      9 days ago

      Yes, trying to kill them is. There’s a world of difference between threatening/attacking them to get them to leave, and genuinely trying to end their life. It disgusting that people try to blur that line.

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        9 days ago

        The person in the image wasn’t trying to end a life. They just used a firearm to disable an intruder and save their own life. Same thing for nearly everyone who uses a weapon in self defense. They’re not trying to kill the rapist. But often disabling the rapist does lead to their death. Don’t be a rapist if you don’t want to get shot.

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        9 days ago

        Conflicts are messy, unpredictable. The only way you could expect someone to act measured is if they have a lot of experience with such situations. And even then you never know what the other person wants.

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          9 days ago

          You dont accidentally shoot a guy four times and then have no regrets. The guy here just wanted to kill. Hesistating before you take a persons life isn’t particularly ‘measured’, it’s just normal human behaviour

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            9 days ago

            If you pull the trigger on someone without intending to kill you’re insane. You can’t predictably incapacitate without killing with a firearm.

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              9 days ago

              You can fire a warning shot. A thief wants to steal stuff, they dont want to get involved in a life-or-death situation. If there’s a clear route out of the house and serious danger inside, they will run.

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                    9 days ago

                    No it isn’t. No one breaks into a house at night just to steal things. Most robberies are during the day for a reason. People only break into homes at night if they want to do something horrible to the people who live there.

                    Moreover, you don’t have time for warning shots. If someone enters the room you’re in, it takes less time to fire a warning shot and to gauge the response than it does for them to quickly run across the room and be on you.

                    There is only time to pull out a gun and fire several shots in quick succession. This is what people are trained to do in self-defense classes. Because anything else ignores how human beings and bodies actually move through space.

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                9 days ago

                Frankly we have no idea how the greentext scenario actually played out, if it’s true.

                …But home invasions are not neat, and don’t always follow rationality. People are scared as shit. They are on edge, fearing for their life/family, and aren’t always in their right mind.

                Just this year, some mentally ill guy found an unlocked slider door to our neighbor’s home and fucked up the place for no discernible reason. I’ve been on a jury to an even messier murder case, where the defendant technically shot too quickly, and logically should have done what you said; yet I probably would have done the exact same thing in their shoes, on the spot like that.

                It’s easy to play out some more rational action plan in your head, after the fact, sure, but I’m just saying that’s often not how it goes.

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            9 days ago

            This all happens in seconds while under stress. Hesitating is normal, freezing is normal, attacking is normal. Depends on the person. You don’t get to think and consider, you react on instinct. In this case, the guy shot the intruder until he stopped moving.