And this is why Democrats will keep losing.
Playing nice again nazis always worked out fine. Remember how we defeated Hitler by just asking him politely to stop killing people?
Is Neville around? We should ask him.
AOC and others who are prepared to fight this bullshit need to spin off their own political party. I figure it would only take the departures of a handful of high-profile progressives to make the whole house of cards fall. The country is being pillaged, and the Dems’ response has been completely fucking impotent. Time to build a new party that isn’t run by geriatric milquetoasts.
spin off their own political party
I think the idea behind organizations like the Democratic Socialists of America and the Working Families Party is to have party-like organizations that work within the Democratic party so they don’t act as “spoilers” given the 2-party system. (I could be wrong about that tho…)
This is how they lose.
If you had a party actually for the people, you would get a lot of the Trump votes as well. Most of MAGA weren’t about racist bullshit or half of what’s happened since the changeover.
They are tired of the corporate and government corruption and Trump promised (lied) to do something about that. We need to offer the same hope without all the hate. We need to offer change without just saying the other side is evil. It isn’t the ‘other side’ that is the problem. It’s the corrupt people in positions of power and the ones that tell you to blame the ‘other side’.
Who the fuck cares about spoiling a vote between mask off and mask on fascist. The democrats are lost we need real leadership.
That they were so ineffective and unable to mount a campaign against an obvious felonious, grifting, lying rapist is all the proof I need that they’re incapable of leading.
We need to take it over like those wackadoos toom over the republican party
Exactly. Getting rid of all the shitty Democrats is a tall order, but the Tea Partiers didn’t do that, they just took as many of them down as possible and scared the rest into obedience.
Tea party has a lot of money and nothing else to do but play intrigues for decades.
You cannot adapt this strategy for the masses of people who still need to feed their families.
I don’t see how “having to feed their family” plays into this at all. Tea Partiers didn’t apply mass numbers at their stunts, just kept showing up. Angry Democrats are not so pressed for time that we can’t muster a few hundred to protest and make a spectacle any time a Democratic politician goes back on a promise.
I also do not find the “money rules everything” fatalism particularly useful. The Democrats keep losing races despite raising more money, and people like AOC still beat entrenched donor-focused politicians.
I am not saying not to do something, i am saying to use the right strategies for what you have.
The Dems dont give a fuck about demonstrations at their places. Neither do the Reps. They give a fuck only about money, or being pressured into doing something.
So you will have to show up with many people and block their events. You will need to organize general strikes. You will need to be armed and fight back if you are attacked.
These things you can do with many people. Pulling strings in intrigue games is not something you can do without money and networks. That is why politics have been built to cater to the people who can, rather than the people who rally on the streets.
It’s too late for that.
No it isn’t and talking that way is not helpful. Although, if you’re ready to give up before experiencing any actual consequences of all this then you weren’t going to be much help anyway.
And people say .ee has the worst responses
IKR?!
WTF Dems…?
Stop enabling a tyrant. This is gonna bite you in the ass quicker than you thing.
I mean what the fuck are they even doing?
When the Republicans were out in 2020, they pushed back on everything and everyone, fuck the consequences, which there never are any, and let their base know they had their backs regardless, and even if they voted they damn well made it known they did so reluctantly.
Here you’ve got Democrats who aren’t even putting things up for a fight and then they have members going on air touring how great these guys are, fucking Fetterman.
There’s no spine in any of these Democrat assholes so why the hell would I vote for any of them at this point if your going to make it easy for fascists? There is no lesser of two evils now, just sickening enablers.
They’re doing what they always did: uphold the status quo.
The veil is pulled back, neither party (save for a few progressive senators) actually gave a shit about anyone but themselves. The DNC was just better at pretending, using rainbow capitalism to hide it.
They still govern by ‘gentleman rules’ but the GOP and Trump aint fucking gentlemen. They’re fucking Nazis using the system against them…
Perhaps the Dems realize there won’t be another vote, and they’re better off kissing ass now if hey want their jobs.
If they realized anything, they would have realized that if they keep enabling this shit, their jobs are absolutely gone and likely their lives.
Then they’d piss off their own donors too…
You know when the last big cut to the federal workforce was?
The 90s when Clinton was in office.
You know what trump was doing in the 90s? Donating so much to the DNC that the Clinton’s came to one of his sham weddings.
If you want to know why neoliberals aren’t opposing Donald Trump, it’s because they’ve literally been working together to destroy the federal government and replace it with oligarchs for the last 30 years.
So stop acting surprised already, and start opposing them.
Say it with me:
👏 Democrats👏 are👏 not👏 coming👏 to👏 save👏 us👏
Our only chance are the leftists that are too busy arguing semantics and refuse to work together! Aw shit.
Including some people who label themselves “Democrats.”
Ah but bipartisanship. Mr. Hitler will surely see sense any day now, if we’re polite and reasonable and try not to anger him.
Fuck the democrats. Let’s take BERNIE and AOC, and replace the rest in the next election.
That’s part of what the republican partys done that’s made them so successful. If your representatives don’t represent you, primary them.
Shit, Democrats don’t even give us a chance to primary, they just pick whoever they want.
In NJ, they had what was referred to as the county line, which would basically put the Democratic party’s candidate first on a ballot. It was abolished this year, but the idea was that the positioning on the ballot made it easier for people to just vote down the line, but the result was that you didn’t necessarily have a fair vote.
They’re not even good enough. Both of them are turncoats. Bernie “the word genocide makes me quesy” Sanders is voting in Trump’s nominees. AOC endorsed Kamala and reinforced the “working tirelessly for a ceasefire” bullshit, every two minutes she’s folded on something new.
AOC is 100% correct.
The elite Democrats aren’t worried about fighting back.
They are trying to figure out how they can win the next round AND HOW THEY WILL USE THE SYSTEM TO THEIR OWN ADVANTAGE ONCE THEY REGAIN CONTROL.
We need another party that is actually for the people.
Green party right there
Stop nominating psycho con artists and we can talk.
I’d love to see them do something other than show up every 4 years and only for President, too.
That brand has been ruined, as far as I can tell. Also, the name just screams single issue…
Yup, the “only turning up to attempt to spoil the presidential race for the democrat candidate every 4 years” just screams “Russian plant” to me. If they actually wanted to affect change, they would start at the local level and grow from there. But they aren’t actually interested in changing anything; They just want to poach votes from democrats, to hand the win to republicans.
At best, if we assume they actually have good intentions, they’re the equivalent of jumping straight into the deep end of the pool without even knowing how to swim. Except they keep jumping in every 4 years, despite the fact that they have put zero effort into learning how to swim.
They are active throughout all the year. Just that they get ignored by the corporate media until it is election time. Almost as if the corporate media has an interest to only use them for diversion and not in honestly representing their political positions.
There is green partys all over the world and they cover all political topics.
What do you want parties to be called to not sound single issue?
The party for peace and prosperity under a reasonably regulated economy with free education and workers right, environmental protection and representative democracy and a yet to develop position on electric vehicle subsidies…
And one of their opponents would be:
The party for peace and prosperity under a reasonably regulated economy with free education and workers right, environmental protection and representative democracy and a no subsidies for electric vehicles but more for public transport…
So the PPURREFEWREPRDYDPEVS vs. the PPURREFEWREPRDNSEVMPT
EDIT: Why are people downvoting this? The argument that a party name would “scream single issue” is obviously an insincere argument. No party has a name to represent all their political positions and there is green parties all over Europe, many of which have been part of state or federal governments. It is just absurd to claim their name to “scream single issue”.
Hasn’t been relevant since Nader, has no brand power, might as well start from scratch.
Alright if that’s your view of it then fine, punch them down, but prop something up that’s suitable. America is on fire right now. The people need something to rally behind that isn’t MAGA. All the opposition wants to do is infight. There’s nothing uniting everyone except Fuck Trump.
you still talk to democrats, curious.
Democratic Party: “The green party are con artists that are bought out by the Russians and only show up every 4 years, so anything except the Democrats is completely nonviable”
Democrat voters: “Oh my god! The green party are con artists that are bought out by the Russians and only show up every 4 years, so anything except the Democrats is completely nonviable”
They’re not wrong
“An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last.”
Democrats would rather be fascists than fight fascists.
But when you try and run a campaign as off-brand, Mr Pibb, diet-fascists…
If there’s one thing corporate dems hate more than the Republicans, it’s AOC and her squad.
Most of the long timers are rich white people in safe seats, so Republicans are no threat to their personal interests but a challenge from the left is.
Yeah, besides when she’s endorsing their candidates and voting the exact same way as the rest of them.
Fear of reprisal.
Once all these confirmations are done, you may see senators that voted against mysteriously fall out of windows.
Oh please, even Democrats who did vote for these unqualified fascist will get thorium poisoning.
Appeasement will not save anyone from the night of long knives.
The only way anything she says will have any impact is if she start getting the army ready to launch a counter-coup, or else starts building a leftwing militia.
No amount of not-nice wordsmithing and congressional wankery is going to work – we’re past that point now.
The best time for that would have been several years ago, but… hey, I mean, do it?
It isn’t playing nice if you know the people you’re approving are fascists. It makes them rolling over even worse. Republicans had no issue obstructing whenever they felt needed.
Agreed. It has gone too far.
Pot meet kettle
