First of all - yes, violence is the Nazi language, and probably the simplest way to get through to them. Pain and hurt is what they signed up for, and I wouldn’t mind giving it to them.
But also consider:
https://crimethinc.com/2019/04/08/against-the-logic-of-the-guillotine-why-the-paris-commune-burned-the-guillotine-and-we-should-tooAlso consider NKVD and how in Stalin’s USSR the enormous (real) trust Soviet state and revolutionary ideology had were spent on violence that weakened and poisoned the skeleton of that project before WWII fractured it. And then basically till USSR’s end it was mimicking its own alternative self that didn’t transpire because of repressions and war.
If you have a mechanism that doesn’t work right, repeatedly hitting it with a heavy object is the least likely approach to succeed.
Approval of violence is that.
Also see Lao-Tzu, “one who excels in fighting is never roused in anger”.
Thanks for this.
As badly as I want this shirt, I could never wear it. Live in rural Oklahoma and it would cause nothing but fights. Sigh, oh to live anywhere but here
I live in Ohio and wear it regularly, though I’m getting more nervous about it as the days go on.
But fuck it.
It’d be 100x more effective if you were packing.
What makes you think I’m not! It IS Ohio after all.
(…I’m not 😕)
Oh he is.
😏
Living in Florida with two youngins, I can’t risk it. Some unpermitted asshat will blow me away without so much as a word. My wife has a banned books shirt and an Alt NPS shirt, and I worry. I have some science shirts and a Reading Rainbow (unofficial) books shirt, and I’m just waiting for a confrontation. It’s as far as I can risk.
Get armed, it’ll make the inevitable confrontation that much more of a teachable moment.
There would be no teachable moment for an aggressor in this confrontation.
You never show a gun until you are in a situation where you have no choice but to employ it. Never brandish. This isnt the movies.
Oh someone would definitely learn a lesson.
Yeah that feels like capitulation to me.
I get your point and I understand, but that’s literally how they win: by cowing us
How does a wearing a shirt help me beat them? Does it pass legislation? Does it organize protests? Does it unionize or strike?
It sounds like you want me to endanger myself for no good reason instead of doing something meaningful. Give me a break. I’m not cowing. I’m simply not taking unnecessary risks THAT WILL DO NOTHING.
I believe you. You and your family deserve safety too
<3
Good on you, keep at it as long as you are able, those who are in danger and stuck in the most dangerous places need to see someone sticking up for them the most. ✊
I like it, but please don’t wear this in public. You’re gonna scare some kids and make some parents angry and that’ll just feed the nazis. But it’s great for Saturday night’s or as a work outfit.
Around 26 nazis didn’t appreciate this post.
Fascism by Eco includes lack of principle, that is, it’s an ideology without form, except for traits that result from lack of form, like violence and hierarchy, but also approval of competitiveness (in the form of backstabbing among others), collectivism and self-sacrifice.
What I mean is - maybe the picture will feel too fascist for your taste, if you meditate on it for some time without reading comments. It suggests a fascist (without any “maybe”) approach.
I bought the “Doom x John Brown” shirt from their site last year and, as a lifelong Doom fan and anti-confederate, really savor wearing it when I go out.
Fuck yes. I just got a sticker from Punk With A Camera that says:
“I don’t argue with people who John Brown would have shot”
God damn that is metal.
I like it.
Boy, there are a whole lotta shitty takes in this thread. Glad to start a conversation.
Surprised this hasn’t been removed for not being “safe enough.”
(I fucking love it)
Imagine wearing this to public gatherings. It would probably ruin some relationships but the chaos it would cause would be so sweet.
Nazi sympathizers aren’t really people I want to have in my life.
That’s not the only people who’d distaste that.
But there are people who would dislike this because of the violence it depicts.
They’re allowed to. I don’t need that kinda weakness in my circle, tho.
I could stand to lose the relationships this would ruin
By punkwithacamera incase anyone’s wondering.
Thought it was one of theirs.
That’s a Klansmen, not a Nazi.
You pull the hood off a Klansman and there’s a Nazi under it.
The klansman mask is on purpose because it hides the face. If you went out in public with an explicit image of a guy with a Nazi buzzcut getting his brains blown out, it would probably trigger some local law about public graphic images. This probably skirts the line, but is a ‘cartoon caricature’ so is still ok to wear out.
IANAL
They kind of are synonymous, no?
Not really.
Nazis would kill them too although there was some kind of KKK that joined the nazi party.
Given enough time nazis would exterminate christians too and the KKK is supposed to be some protestant anti-catholic group (but I guess that something all neo-nazis have in common, they think they would be allowed in the nazi party but they wouldn’t)
Edit. Apparently nazis didn’t know what to do exactly with black people they considered them inferior but weren’t prosecuted like the did with other minorities.
Wtf are you on about. Nazi Germany was overwhelmingly a Christian state. 54% protestant, 38% Catholic in 1939 census. Their plan was to eradicate themselves? No, the end goal was to create their own form of Nazified Christianity that would answer to the Nazi government. The Protestand Reich Church was their attempt at this.
They had no problem with Christians because they almost all were Christian themselves, they just wanted to remove power from the pre-existinf churches (Pope etc) by placing a new church under their own hierarchy.
Oh, that’s interesting. I’m not from America so I admittedly know very little about the Klan, but I always thought they operated with the same ideas as the Nazis in terms of their in-groups and out-groups. Thanks for the info!
Now you can go out and start your own chapter. Have fun!
This digression is ethically questionable. I say we just burn ‘em on the same heap.
Who cares, still valid in both sentiments.
I care about things being factually correct. I guess you don’t.
Okay StoneToss
Self defense. Violent views that would not tolerate your very existence don’t qualify for tolerance.
Tolerance requires a mutual respect for each others’ coexistence. It’s kind of right on the label. You don’t have a meeting of the minds with someone whose premise begins and ends with denying that.
What’s a Nazi, again? I knew in high school but since then it’s become really hard to keep track of.
A seig heil salute is a giveaway.
FC St. Pauli has better anti-Fascists shirts and I do not want to stoop to the level of a shit neo-Nazi MAGAt.
What are you talking about “stooping to their level”? We literally shot Nazis on-sight because they were such a threat.
Just because violence isn’t graceful, doesn’t mean it’s not necessary to end a threat to humanity. Sometimes it’s the moral thing to do. Some people are simply too dangerous to allow their existence.
I was thinking something from TST (The Satanic Temple)would get under their skin more. Most I believe are “religious” and a little Satan could probably go further, plus Thanksgiving would be a hoot.
