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Summary
The US tourism industry faces a major decline as harsh immigration policies deter visitors.
High-profile detentions of Western travelers have led to a forecasted 9% decrease in visits, reversing a previously expected 5% rise, and risking a $64 billion loss.
Germany and the UK updated travel advisories following detentions of citizens without clear visa violations.
Canadian tourism also dropped significantly amid tariff threats. Denmark and Finland warned transgender travelers about entry issues.
Experts cite anti-immigrant rhetoric and unpredictable enforcement as key deterrents.
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Coming in May myself, anything I should know about how best to behave and handle interactions at the airport to get through safe and quick?
Encrypt your laptop, turn off face unlock and don’t let them unlock your devices.
Unless you go as far as having hidden partitions with a fake benign fascade this isnt good enough. How it goes is they plug your laptop into their forensics software, it reports encryption, they say unlock the encryption, you say no, they deny your entry and confiscate your hardware.
The only way I know of is to format a clean laptop and burner phone with nothing on it and put all your necessary work files in the cloud so you can get them back after getting to your hotel – and even then I’ve heard people denied because it was clear the machine was formatted too recently and they suspected people trying to do this trick and they dont like tricks.
so your burner laptops and phone have to look “lived in” but still benign. It’s much easier just to video chat whatever business youre trying to get done in the usa, and if you’re a tourist there are lots of better places to go anyway.
Do they do this to everyone, or are they using the skin color chart to “ramdomly” choose?
A little bit of both TBH.
Wait they can just take your laptop and keep it? I’m not even in their country yet. Crazy
Wouldn’t matter if you were a citizen. Civil Forfeiture is a thing here. If the authorities think your property was used, or was intended to be used in a crime, they can seize it. Your property doesn’t have constitutional rights, so they can literally hold a trial against your stuff, with no legal representation and keep it permanently.
Make sure: you have the correct visa, know the address you are staying at, have an exit flight and can prove you have enough money to fund your trip, you can explain the purpose of your trip, prepare to surrender social media passwords and have nothing remotely critical of Trump or the US on it and you have no suspicious contacts. Prepare to have your privacy invaded.
Is this what Project 2025 wants to happen? I heard 42% of their goals have already been implemented. Do they think that isolationism and going back to unilateral, strong armed foreign policy will work? And I thought the Nazis were really stupid…oh wait…
I won’t be bringing my non-USA citizen family to the USA for a holiday for at least the next 4 years. Even with a perfectly good visa, folks are getting detained. In the past I would spend more than $10k for roughly a month long visit on them (not including airfare to the USA). That money will now go to the EU or Japan.
What about their threats to a G7 ally? Does that contribute to the dropoff too?
None of the researchers in my lab go to conferences in the US anymore (there is remote participation since covid).
It’s not the “immigration agenda”, it’s the “illegal captivity and deportations”.
Nah, couldn’t be the illegal imprisonment and torture random citizens and tourists have been experiencing.
Just imagine a legal tourist in the US gets their wallet stolen.
Once, when people in the US had rights, he would contact the police, who would help him getting in contact with the embassy.
Where would the tourist end up nowadays? In Gitmo? Or a South American prison?
*Central American prison.
Initially some American prison then deported to some random country based on what he appeared to be to the racist in command in charge of making this decision
Why even go visit the US? There’s nothing worthwhile to visit. And fatty american food I can get in almost any country
Come visit Canada instead (: pretty much the same, but you won’t be detained at the border.
For much of the world getting a Canadian tourist visa is harder than a USA tourist visa.
I am starting to wonder how Americans would vote now if trump allows another election?
It wouldn’t matter how people vote. Trump and Musk will be controlling the results.
That’s looking increasingly like a big “if”, unless you mean a Russian style election.
I’m pretty sure we all know how everyone would vote if given the chance to do it again. I only wish those that didn’t would have the humility it takes to admit they made a huge mistake.
Are y’all ignoring that he has a 54% approval rating last I saw? Americans want this. Those of us who don’t are going to be systematically silenced and eliminated.
Not as of yesterday … Source
Just wait a bit more. The real pain has not yet set in. Wait until they have to decide whether to keep their mom alive or feed their children. It won’t take long.
Trump supporters continue to vote red despite decisions effecting their lives in profound ways.
Look at the anti-vax response after their own child dies of a preventable disease. It’s moronic.
I live in a red state. We have a method of voting individual bills into our constitution as a majority process.
We have voted in a reform to get big money out of our politics. The Republican majority in the state forced another vote with the most obfuscated language to get the state to overturn it. We have voted time and time again against Right to Work which is an anti-union bill. The Republicans have constantly tried to get it to happen. St Louis managed to get its police out from under State control, leaving Kansas City the only state in the nation with the state controlling the cities police… until the Republican ran state forced St. Louis back under its control.
We voted in a higher minimum wage and guarantees for sick leave. We also voted in protections for abortions overturning the harshest ban in the state. These were overwhelming majorities. We as a state also overwhelmingly voted Republicans in, who have just overturned the min wage and sick leave bill, and are trying to figure out how to overturn the abortion protections.
So if we had a COMPLETELY free and fair election. I guarantee you, at least the portion of the country I’m in, would still vote for anything with an ® next to their name.
Do not under any circumstances come to America. We are experiencing a Nazi take over.
A few weeks ago, I told my Canadian coworker that if she leaves to see her Dad, as she does at least once a year, she might not be able to come back. She just laughed like I was joking.
There’s more than a few Canadians who think it can’t happen to them.
Go home and campaign for your leftist party to protect yourselves from the disease.
Somehow, Nazis have returned.
It’s like I’m loving real like call of duty Nazi zombies. They’re back.
A 9% reduction seems low. I’m curious to know emigration numbers (I’m getting out of here myself)
it’s only been 2 months
Most of the trips that have happened in February and March were planned and often paid for before that time and couldn’t easily be changed or cancelled so many went ahead. There will be a continuing drop off. Airlines are reassigning their planes because so few Canadians are booking trips to the USA, even as a stopover to anther country. Some border businesses have already lost 50% or more of their business.
bring a dozen eggs and give one to each ICE agent you encounter along the way
bring a dozen eggs and give one to each ICE agent you encounter along the way
As long as you “give” them somewhat percussively. If ICE is gonna detain you no matter what, make it count!
50% of U.S. tourists come from Canada and Mexico.
Not anymore, Canada has its elbows up.
I really wanted to visit this year to for the first time, but instead I’m going to Canada and I’m really excited!
Looking forward to seeing you round here, eh!
Glad you’re avoiding our shithole country. Wish I could say the same.
Just a warning: both nations are huge, and depending on where you go you’ll have a very different experience.
Generally in Canada, the colder the climate, the warmer the people, so you have to decide how much you value both.
Canada is very similar to the US except not insane and colder.
Yes. Don’t come to the south-western part where it’s rainy but warm. Pleugh. Very expensive.
Avoid the posh hotels in Ucluelet (land in tahsis nearby if you don’t like the drive) or the beaches in Tofino. Or the forests around port Renfrew (YCD airport to skip that drive). Bleugh. Terrible. Not a Starbucks in sight.
Vancouver too. Yuck. (YCH/YVR). Pretty blue glass and excursions to pretty bridges and hills and trails. Focus on the san-fran style homeless issues and high cost of your trip.
Definitely Do Not go see ucky Canada. But we’d love to have you and hope you have a great time.
Only 9% decrease? That sounds pretty optimistic.
I’d guess it will be more like 50%. Guess we’ll see.
I mean, it’s only been 2 months. 9% drop vs 5% gain is a 14% shift from expected. That’s impressive, and Trump administration is just getting started.
I was reading somewhere online someone’s observation at Dulles airport near DC, and they said the place was like a ghost town, and they asked a worker about it and they said it’s been like that for weeks.
There was also a recent high-profile crash around there and traffic is being re-routed while the cut-down FAA figures out the airspace.
What I’m interested in is what this does to the international conference scene. I can’t imagine many of them will be hosted in the US this year, even if the event was already booked.
