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- [email protected]
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- [email protected]
It’s much better here! It’s nice and cozy, kinda like Reddit circa 15 years ago.
For your memes we have [email protected] and if you’re a programmer of some kinds we got [email protected] to scratch that itch, if you like sciency posts mander.xyz has some excellent communities (communities=subreddits) like [email protected], [email protected]and [email protected] and for a meme science combo there’s always the fantastic [email protected]
You can also drop a shit(post) off at [email protected] or hang out at [email protected] (though you do have to post before you leave that one!)
If you want to explore the world of PC Gaming on Linux check [email protected] or for more general Linux [email protected] and we even have a Linux meme comm at [email protected] (we like Linux around here lmao)
For news [email protected] is excellent and for US focused news [email protected] and [email protected]
Want to ensure your privacy in this crazy world? Checkout [email protected]
And of course, the best for last, the best comm on the Lemmy-verse, [email protected] !!! Just make sure to buy a krabby patty!
We’re not without our cons though, biggest problem we have are probably the Tankies, but here they’re mostly on what’s known as the Tankie Triad: lemmy.ml, lemmygrad and hexbear. For the most part, grad and hex are widely defederated from (Users and content of those instances won’t be “synced” and you won’t see them) and you only have to worry about .ml, but on Lemmy you can do a personal instance wide block if you’d rather just not deal with them. .ml tends to be more subtle opting for censorship of dissent before things get crazy on their threads and allowing certain propaganda to flourish (If you wish to see documentation of it, checkout [email protected] ) Here on Lemmy all moderator actions are public and available for viewing on what’s known as the “modlog”
Obligatory, fuck Spez
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Here on Lemmy all moderator actions are public and available for viewing on what’s known as the “modlog”
Saying it again to everyone in the back. The modlog is a great feature. Instance Mods and admins can’t just disappear people and communities without a trace, and trolls can’t make up stories of unfair moderation without bringing receipts and their old account name.
Instance Mods and admins can’t just disappear people and communities without a trace, and trolls can’t make up stories of unfair moderation without bringing receipts and their old account name.
That actually isn’t true, they can disappear it for normal users. I’ve had things disappear at LW and when I called it out, the shitty admin dude went after me. Also, if you delete a thread, it disappears. That’s the one thing the bad place did correct up until I left, it might be different now though. They kept the threads up even if they shut down the thread. Now, it just disappears.
There are instances where deleting content permanently is a good feature, like for illegal content and spammers.
A way to list what was disappeared entirely and the reason for it would be good for transparency. Like if a comment/thread is deleted for illegal images just having a note in the modlog that it was deleted for illegal content would be good even though the images won’t show. .
Spammers might still clog up the modlog though, but there could probably be a way to consolidate them or something.
I agree. I think the bad place had a warning page if it was deleted for violent or abusive content. Otherwise, it stayed up. Again, it might be different now though, I haven’t been there in years now.
Couldn’t an instance admin just disable modlogs or spoof them, though
Yes, but the backlash would be undoubtedly intense, everyone here loves the modlog (well probably not the trolls/tankies LMFAO)
the tankies were who created the modlog. broken clocks etc
Isn’t the whole thing about public and harsh punishments in authoritarian societies to keep everyone in check?
its also to hide and shield your atrocities, punishments from the public, hence they dont know whats going on so its easy to claim any story you made up.
the tankies/MLs are the biggest downside of lemmy, they prefer insults to discussion and have a very stalinist approach to moderation/administration. they are the spez of lemmy
oh and they spread russian propaganda like jolly traitors
authoritarians have always been the same
Keep in mind that not everyone on ml or everyone with leftist leanings is a tankie. Yes, there are a lot of tankies there, but ML is a general purpose instance and some longstanding lemmy users simply have their accounts there
i was referring to the fundamentalists, wannabe revolutionaries and myopic protesters
if you have a main account on .ml to bait MLs then fine, but it might be time to make an account elsewhere. all the MLs that want to troll the rest of lemmy have done the same so they don’t bring the instance into further disrepute
they behave the same way , probably banned on reddit.
For their own instance, sure.
But it won’t alter the modlogs of other Instances, which also have a copy if the community is federated to them.
If modlogs were disabled, it would get noticed pretty quickly. If some mod decided to waste a lot of time coming up with an elaborate scheme to try to mess with things unfairly, that instance would lose a lot of trust if it gets revealed.
On a related note, one funny thing that occurred recently: Mod sets up community with an automated moderator, automod boots the mod soon after.
Because of federation the lock-in is much lower and we could move to a new instance due to a rogue admin.
Eh, you say that.
- Here’s a post I participated in 8 days ago on [email protected]
Image of post
- The post title was something like “What is your ideal political system”
(I’ve since deleted my comment just in case I doxxed myself elsewhere)
- When I click on the link for that post it says the post was deleted.
- When I look at the ModLog for [email protected], there’s nothing there in that time period
Image of modlog
So either there’s some funny shenanigans going on at lemmy.world, or maybe the modlog isn’t completely visible across instances, or…?
People are still able to delete their own posts, that wouldn’t appear in the modlog
Ahhh, good point. Though, the “Permanently Deleted” made me think it’s an action of a mod rather than a user.
To test:: https://lemmy.ml/post/27769094
Please post something here in the linked thread. I will delete the whole post in an hour, and then please send me a screenshot of what you see when looking at your profile for comments for that thread.
That community doesn’t federate to my instance 😅
you can see my comment from ML, but you can’t see the communities? Federation is crazy complex haha
Federation is community dependent
Okay, I got responses from:
Please tell me how the deleted post looks
It looks deleted to me from my instance. I can see my comment on my profile.
I didn’t know I was volunteering to help, but I am happy to.
When I view your link to lemmy.ml my comment is visible
Ah no I meant when you search for your comment in your profile and see the “Godspeed” comment, what is the name of the post it is under?
I see “I will delete this post in 1 hour”
I was part of an experiment, huzzah!
Invisible indeed https://lemmy.ca/post/41361575/15492240
When you search for your comment in your comment history, what is the name of the post it is under?
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maybe the modlog isn’t completely visible across instances
The modlog is vulnerable to the same federation issues that all Lemmy content can suffer from.
Because I’ve noticed the same thing with comments removed by .ml admins, I can see the modlog entry when looking on .ml itself, but when viewed from .worlds modlog it’s missing in some cases
But also, like all federated content, you won’t see modlog entries on your Instances modlog if they’ve defederated from an instance. So you won’t see hex/grad modlog entries on .world but you can from .ee for example
Because I’ve noticed the same thing with comments removed by .ml admins, I can see the modlog entry when looking on .ml itself, but when viewed from .worlds modlog it’s missing in some cases
I believe this depends on what community it happens on. If the community is on ml, then ml moderation actions will be copied by world (or any other instance showing that community), but if it happens on a world community then ml moderation actions stay on ml.
Do you see a different modlog for [email protected] as I’m seeing in that screenshot then?
I checked 2 other instance modlog’s, and didn’t see them there.I did notice “*Permanently Deleted*” for its post title, which is usually indicative of a total post purge (Deletes all content from a post, pictures, comments everything. Normally, an uploaded picture can hang around on an instance directly accessible by its image url), but it’s supposed to be reserved for really bad shit (read: illegal) you don’t want hanging around in an instances DBsThat being said, even permanently deleted/purged stuff generally does show on the modlog, at least an entry that just says Permanently Deleted, so that is a bit concerning.Id suggest putting together your evidence into a post for [email protected] maybe you can catch the attention of another instance admin, maybe of db0 themself and they can look into it more (admins of other instances have special visibility into some things)Edit:
I just realized you participated in an asklemmy post, not made one yourself, I was searching incorrectly lol
Yea there are a number of other things that can happen in that case like blaze said, OP deleted the post, deleted their account, was caught posting really bad shit and their account was wholly purged etc
The main thing you need to know the username of the OP who posted it. Chances are they were banned, had their account deleted or deleted the post themselves. The comments in the post is collateral damage in deleted/removed posts. It has happened to me and it does feel bad a bit since comments of deleted posts and children of deleted comments do not appear in the modlog. The idea though, is that the main OP who has been actioned against has recourse. The process certainly can be improved but its still several steps above Reddit in transparency.
Ah that makes sense too
So of course Spez rolled over like a bitch
Rolled over so fast it’s like he’d been just waiting for a reason to ban content he didn’t like.
I don’t think he was waiting. There’s a reason so many of us came here two years ago.
they did that when musk complaing WHITEPEOPLETWITTER.
I made an account after I got a warning for upvoting criticism of musk on a post about Teslas being attacked. I was warned for upvoting violent content. I purposely avoided upvoting such content after admin sub posted about it.
Spez has been rolling over like a bitch, his whole fucking life. fucking punchable face that little cunt.
Didn’t this happen since 2020 for the censorship? Because I got my account banned/kicked out.
Fuck Spez ᕕ( ᐛ )ᕗ
I tried out Lemmy during the initial Reddit migration but didn’t stick around. This week I finally deleted all my Reddit posts and comments along with my account and I’m giving the fediverse another chance. Fuck big tech.
I feel like a kid again calling BBSes and trying to use FidoNet.
Is that lemme.ee speak, or is my confusion just because I’m old and tech-stupid?
It would be so amazing if we could get Lemmy running on something like [email protected] it really would be just like the ol dialup days
It’d be slow, but I’d still use Lemmy over it all the time even though I have a fancy pants 2.5 Gig fiber link lmaooo
Hahah. Yeah same. Obviously the fediverse needs to be more user friendly to gain traction, but I’m having a lot of fun with the more… technical(?)… knowledge required to wrap your head around it.
The Fediverse feels much more like the old internet.
It’s funny because I bet a lot of us that came on the API wave had/have 15+ year old accounts.
Mines 18.
I had a post from /r/teenagers show up on my homepage and I realized that my account is older than most people there say they are.
10y and 400k combined karma (mostly comment)
And I actually managed cold turkey, partially helped by my creating an entire instance which kind of made Lemmy a hobby I was invested in both time and money wise.
🙋10 year account for me, thousands of comments. 166k comment karma. It was a wild ride, but when they took Boost it was over for me. Fuck em.
Consequently, now that I’m here I post WAY more, I don’t even think my post count cracked a hundred and here it’s…4…thousand…fuck, I’m here too much 😅
You’re doing the lord’s work, sir.
Crazy how much more value there is here. 1/1000th the users, 1000x the engagement.
Definitely
I came here on the API wave and went to Reddit from digg. I left digg after the Digg 2.0 fuck up.
I heard Kevin Rose purchased Digg again and plans to redo it again.
Whereas I’m one of the people who was annoyed at having all the Digg users come over and ruin Reddit. :)
Oh ya, we sucked. We did like the secret handshake. When does the narwhal bacon?
Kevin Rose (Digg founder) and Alexis Ohanian (Reddit co-founder) just acquired Digg together, so we’ll have to see how it goes. But I don’t need to wait for Digg to resurrect itself when Lemmy is already right here.
I’ll take some extra competition. It’ll help reddit burn faster.
Burn, baby, burn!
So we’re literally old reddit.
Works for me.
https://oldsh.itjust.works/ literally indeed
Mine is certainly near 15 years old, but for the life of me I can’t remember exactly when I made an account, nor how many fake internet points I’d rattled up - it just seems so insignificant now.
The best part of Lemmy is that if any instance starts becoming like Reddit is now, I can block it individually, or we can collectively decide to shun them! It’s not fool proof, but it’s a pretty large leap in the right direction.
I dare say I miss the niche communities, but frankly, the main niche that I filled was on the pony side of things, and that’s pretty dead now. RIP smol horses, you all get to live your best lives now as glue 🫡
how is lemmy diffrent then reddit other then mutliple servers and stuff like that? both is kinda the same reason you use it for and thats why they exist?
There is no central control, which means there’s no CEO to influence into doing ghastly shit to the users. It’s basically one step up from the non-federated Internet forums of old.
ah thats huge!
I hope it is one day.
In life, they brought as together. As glue, they’ll keep us together.
18, 17, and 10 year old main accounts.haven’t been there since the API fiasco, but I kinda hated it for a few years before that.
I was the primary character in a pretty huge event (fiasco) in Reddit history 16-18 years ago, that I wish I could talk more about without doxxing myself.
Basically when TIFU and AITA got popular, the site kinda went to shit. Welllll, when smart phones got popular and people started to refer to Reddit as an “app”, it went to shit, Eternal September-style.
Those were the very first subreddits I blocked when it was possible. Then thousands more. Now even with blocked garbage subreddits it feels like mostly fake AI content these days, it’s almost FB level bad.
That’s not even the reason I left, “Musk’s fumes are fatally toxic”. Permabanned for violence, like wtf? No way a human banned me.
Well make an anonymous account here and fudge some details, I’m sure we’d all be interested to hear.
Oh that’s you! I saw your post about your ban for musk fuming and my partner and I both had a chuckle about the ridiculoscity of it all.
Quick edit: yeah the creative writing (now AI slop) subs always made me upset. TIFU was always “I SEXED MY POOP” and AITA was always clickbait bullshit.
All I’ll say about the event I was in is rest in peace, Tynan (I_RAPE_CATS)
15yo ago: Someone monetized our prank, not cool! 15 min ago: You are the product.
Those were good times…
when smart phones got popular and people started to refer to Reddit as an “app”, it went to shit, Eternal September-style.
I still hate seeing posts on websites where people are telling me to “swipe”.
Amen hahaha
Society (bottom text) can pry “click” and “scroll” and “program” out of my old, dusty hands!
12 years, and almost a million karma, and I was permabanned soon after the election for repeating an anti-HitlerPig post that I had repeated many times BEFORE the electuon.
I was bummed at the smaller crowds on Lemmy at first, then I realized I didn’t have to scroll through dozens of puns, bots, trolls, idiots, etc. on EVERY post.
Your talents will be much more appreciated here, I guarantee it.
The lack of the niche communities is the main difference for me, mostly. But that takes time. Otherwise I mostly like it here :D
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Stick around. It’ll fill out with time. There’s plenty of low activity niche communities on here, try just making a post in one sometime. I’ve been on a campaign of doing weekly posts like stargazing Saturdays on mander.xyz’s astronomy community.
The lack of karma farming is amazing. Not nearly the same amount of people frantically grasping at low-hanging-fruit puns.
I got a temp ban for calling Usha Vance a class traitor. I said that when fascism progressed far enough she would likely not be safe from the overt racism and patriotism because she’s brown. 3 day temp ban. Reddit is shilling for the fascist and corporate overlords. That along with warnings just for upvoting posts. Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable.
You won’t even remember you wasted years on there
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Wait so Reddit is taking action against moderators who block X links on their subreddits? Wow! That’s draconian as fuck!
I hope we get a big influx. There’s so many small subreddits I like which have no Lemmy equivalent!
I left after…one of the meme subs last year managed to mass ban bots. Went from one of the most active subs to nearly dead instantly, including upvotes and comments.
That was so disturbing I finally quit.
Thanks for the welcome wagon. This was the first post I clicked on. I feel like a boomer (I am not one) trying to understand the Fediverse even though I can understand how email works, somehow I can’t apply that to how it works here. Like am I supposed to be able to see Mastadon or Pixelfed content on here? What would that look like? Ok also had some weed tincture so that probably has something to do with my confusion. ¯_(ツ)_/¯
Welcome!
Yea, you’ll see mastodon stuff from time to time, there’s nothing really that tells you it’s a mastodon post, they just look kinda different. For a mastodon post usually the giveaway is hashtags in the post like #hashtag except they’ll be links.
Pixelfed is supposed to show up too, but federation with Lemmy has yet to “kick in” (at least as far as I’ve noticed)
Also on Lemmy you can do ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ without any extra "" actually, here putting the extra 2 backslashes makes you lose your arm
It’s actually really nice, now I can ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ right from my phone keyboard lmfao ¯\_(ツ)_/¯¯\_( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)_/¯¯\_(ツ)_/¯¯\_( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)_/¯¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Ok here’s another question. How does this exist financially, who pays for servers and whatnot? Believe you me I am so glad not to be assaulted by ads and whatnot but isn’t this expensive?
Donations for server costs. Apparently each user costs a little over 1 dollar a year, hosting-wise. Reminds me of how one site I use for checking stuff in pokemon sleep, how-many-more.com, said in a reddit post from the owner that they don’t even take donations because the cost of running it is absolutely miniscule and that you should absolutely question people who want upkeep money for largely text-based stuff like that.
It’s not actually all that expensive to host websites, it never has been, sh.itjust.works a larger instance with something like 1.5k posts and comments/day only spends about $150/month
A bid cost saving is not using the “cloud”, cloud services do what they advertise (mainly allow one to “easily” scale up to millions of users), but its costly.
But the beauty of it is that because Lemmy is decentralized, not one person/org has to worry about scaling to millions of users as the Lemmy-verse grows so hosters can skip the cloud
Some pay out of pocket and some take the ways of the forums of ol, donations and small perks for donating. For example, having a db0 account and being a donator gains you voting rights. There’s been talk about private/VIP comms for donators as well
We discuss costs here.
As long as you shop around for a good hosting deal you don’t need everyone to donate to cover the costs.
Ah I was wondering why that arm got amputated. ᕕ( ᐛ )ᕗ
A stupid fuckface called a greedy pig boy…
Fuckface is putting it lightly limo. he is much much worse.
Was this before or after I got banned sight wide in December for posting diy Luigi Mangione prayer candles on witches vs patriarchy?
That explains the mountain of bans.
I was seeing pretty normal-looking accounts disappear in greater and greater numbers in the couple of weeks before they zapped my account. Couldn’t figure out why, just a lot of comments or threads only hours old, and the users were already gone. Couldn’t figure it out at the time.
As a redfugee myself, welcome to all! Just please try to avoid making lemmy more like reddit. If you miss reddit please just go back, it’s still there.
Fuck that, I welcome most Redditors.
Lemmy cannot be made into Reddit, it’s simply not possible because the biggest problems of Reddit was because of Reddit the corporation
Everything else was just born naturally of what happens when millions of humans interact with each other
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For you the biggest annoyance of reddit was apparently the actions of reddit executives. For me it was the overabundance of meme-addled high school sophomore personalities. In that way lemmy is already enough like reddit for my taste.
Same.
Refugee crisis on lemmy?
Wir schaffen das
Sry just testing how everything works on here Ignor this masage
Oh no no, my friend. Newcomers are obligated to provide massages for their first week. We will not ignore…
Welcome!
I was reminded of this place because of a comment chain about what the next reddit was.
Here for The Great Reddit migration. People left Digg for Reddit for similar reasons. Although the issues with Reddit are magnitudes more concerning.
Reddit has magnitudes more inertia, unfortunately. And a predominant sentiment seems to be “we should stay on Reddit to counterbalance the bad parts."
Or even worse, move to Discord :/
Discord makes feel like an old man shaking my fist at the clouds. The UI is the worst, and I have no idea how anything works, but I have to be on it because my friends use it for in-game chat on multiplayer games.
I never feel dumber than when I’m trying to find something on Discord. Ugh.
I think its interface is pretty good, but it’s structure absolutely sucks for larger communities. It’s a deliberate information black hole for shooting the breeze, yet people treat it like a forum, wiki, or hub,.
Or even worse, move to Discord :/
reddit got worse faster after IPO.
Discord is now doing the same, so that’ll last a few months lol.
I’m sure you’re right, migration here won’t make much of a dent in reddit’s numbers. It’d be great to have more people to fill out some of the smaller communities but we don’t need the ones who don’t want to move.
This isn’t a full migration sadly, at least I don’t think so. It’s a welcome trickle of new users, but Reddit will need to do much worse to force a full on exodus. Though I have no doubt they will eventually. But I don’t think we’re getting another mass Rexit event until they turn off old.reddit.
I think more folks would come if they knew lemme.ee existed. I only found out it exists this morning.
I think part of the problem is if you post a lot about lemmy on reddit to recruit, you’ll get banned/shadowbanned eventually.
That’s what Twitter did to Bluesky.
Ugh. Humans ruin everything.😞
