edit: muting this thread, goodbye.
Heavens to Betsy
glad federation is working again!Me; new here thinking “hexbear” is the furry server… Oh…
Well I was half right
Don’t have a problem with what instance you’re on as long as you’re respectful I’ll be respectful back
I totally agree. But that instance is slightly notorious for brigading threads.
A brigade is when you’re one of the oldest and most active instances and continue to use the federated website.
hi it’s me here to brigade a post that appeared in my feed
You have brigaded my inbox. Now you will receive one in return
mods halp they’re doing a brigaderinoI’d help, but i’ve forgotten my password to my original account… I think i made one when it was chapo.chat, so it’s gone right?
should still exist
If you could dig it up, it would still work
They got like 6 people in here doing just that.
Learn how federation works, or better yet, go back to reddit
.ml detected, opinion ignored
You can just admit you don’t know how federation works
Hey man, I think you’re taking this slightly too seriously.
I undestand federation, I have been on the fediverse for two-three years, and have built stuff using activitypub.
If you think they’re “brigading” you clearly don’t understand how federation works
How come they don’t “brigade” normal threads? only political ones.
They don’t “brigade” anything, they’re federated
Alright, I’ll rephrase.
How come they rarely ever comment outside of political threads?
90% of threads are pretty boring. Most of the memes posted on Lemmy are the kinds of things I would expect from /r/memes. On the political threads people often make claims that are simply false (i.e. claiming that Marxists or ‘tankies’ love the Russian Federation) so naturally Hexbear will show up to contradict that stuff. You’d be hard pressed to find us organizing “brigades,” we literally just have a unified ideological line that we’re experienced in defending so when we see something that’s easily disproven we disprove it.
Hexbear is a higly politicised instance, it makes sense that people from there are mainly interested in politics and would mostly interact with those posts.
We just have a lot of active users. Brigading doesn’t happen when the feeds show up organically.
I get what you mean, and I see the brigading emoji (all/active), but I do feel like hex and grad are both very argumentative, and I don’t usually see you guys participating in other non-political communities or threads either which leaves a bad taste in my mouth.
Not to overwhelm you with comments, but most Hexbear and Grad users tend to stay on Hex and Grad for non-political content, funny enough. Check out Hex’s general megathreads, or the gaming comm, etc.
As someone who made a Hexbear alt (not the other way around), it’s a far more pleasant space to relax, IMO. Plus, Communists tend to all be political nerds to begin with.
That makes sense, but it does give the impression that they only brigade.
Though, I can’t think of a single time I have seen a hexbear user outside of hexbear on a non-political thread.I see them usually on non-political Lemmy.ml threads, if you avoid them then that explains it. Hexbear keeps a small federation list to protect its marginalized users from harrassment, and also to carve out a uniquely Leftist space.
I thought hex originally federated with everyone, but when they started refederating they chose an allow-list. Am i wrong? I know that lemmy.world blocked them, which is where a lot of non-political content is.
It’s infinitely better for political stuff too.
Interesting post subjects and comments. (more on grad)
lemm.ee or .world is 95% "look what stupid irrelevant thing Musk or Trump said now! "
Not much different from any MSM. Annoying and boring mostly.Yep, agreed!
hex and grad are both very argumentative
i mean we are communists…honestly if you think we’re bad towards y’all you should see some of our more heated discussions amongst ourselves; the only people leftists are more vicious towards than fascists and their enablers are leftists who very slightly disagree with them lol.
don’t usually see you guys participating in other non-political communities
possibly that’s because we have comms for a lot of those things (sports, games, movies, anime, etc) and tend to use those instead but that’s just a guess. i won’t speak for anyone else but i find a lot of the memes and stuff on lemmy are a little reddit-flavored for me so i don’t usually engage (since i don’t want to just go in and shit on people having a harmless good time or w/e)
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Oh, my sweet summer child.
While fine in concept, there are certain things that shouldn’t be respected, and that’s where the
happens
heyyy hiiii hellooooohiiiiiiii
Welcome back!
Lol at the 4 losers who downvoted every comment somebody from hexbear made. Just block the instance if you’re this mad.
Finally! This place just isn’t the same without pics of pigs shitting on their own balls.
I tried to get AI to generate it for me but it’s just not the same.
This person gets it
I sure do! Goes to show reading Marxist theory is overrated…
Nooooo please read theory… 🫠
I used to, actually! If more people in general read Anarchist theory, the world would probably be a much better place. That being said, I do prefer Marxism. Thanks for sharing!
Do you have pointers to help me understand what makes you prefer Marxism? I know there’s been a bunch of discourse on it already, and this probably isn’t the spot where we resolve it, but I’m relatively new to leftism and am interested in learning more.
Short(ish) version I have for preferring anarchism to Marxism:
My ultimate end goal is that everyone ascend Maslow’s hierarchy of needs and self actualize.
Self actualization requires freedom, agency, and control over things you care about. Pursuing self actualization is hard, though, and human brains want to be lazy.
I’m anti-capitalist, but a positive of (small-scale) capitalism is that it incentivizes individuals to think, “What should exist, but doesn’t? What can I do that others would like?” and then actually go do it. Our aim should be to encourage those types of actions, but with an incentive structure that doesn’t result in… this.
My concern is that a centralized state will result in folks voluntarily giving up their agency over stuff administered by the state, since it’s easier than feeling ownership of it. Over time, I worry this would would atrophy individuals’ agency and result in a kind of bystander effect, where folks look for the state to do things for them.
Thanks for asking! I’m going to oversimplify, so please, feel free to ask for elaboration!
For starters, I generally agree that values like freedom and agency are important. I personally believe that this isn’t a choice we can make, though, but is a product of our material conditions and resources. The best path to happiness is to improve production and to do so along a cooperative and democratic plan.
The reason I am a Marxist (specifically ML) is because Marx simply makes the most compelling arguments for how to get there, and why, as well as the existence of real Marxist aligned societies we can see in action. His observations like markets naturally centralizing and developing the tools for planning makes sense, we just need to nationalize large firms and key industries, and gradually fold the small firms in as they grow into large firms.
What you describe as a problem may happen, but not likely at a systemic level in a manner that cannot be addressed.
i won’t pretend it’s perfectly done but you know hexbear is a left unity instance that explicitly welcomes anarchists, yeah?
While I have seen one or two anarchists post messages there, if I see a hexbear account, I do pretty much assume they are Leninist-Marxist, or at least very comfortable among LM’s. I don’t spend much time there, though, so perhaps that’s an unfair prejudice.
or at least very comfortable among [MLs]
well yes, such is the nature of co-existing in a left unity space. anyway our anarchists are definitely a minority but they’re about. i can think of at least one prominent mod who is a proud anarchist and i know there are others as well (admittedly this is not the sort of thing i would ordinarily keep track of tbh)
Why are you swapping Lenin and Marx? Nobody calls themselves an LM, I’ve never seen anyone write it that way.
Reading theory is fine. You won’t become a leninist
It’s about time they showed up, during trans day of visibility no less 😌
nature is healing
There is a spectre is haunting Lemmy — the spectre of hexbear . All the powers of new lemmy have entered into a holy alliance to exorcise this spectre
I immediately went into my Voyager settings to block the entire instance the moment I saw one of their comments. Not making the same mistake twice.
Unfortuantely, blocking an instance only blocks posts and communities from it. You will still get comments.
When did we have them blocked? there was a brief period there where their domain expired, and they had to stay offline to fix it.
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I’m not being shut out by Nazis, I’ll block them all if that’s what it takes, this is my fucking account, I’m not giving it to because of them.
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You were probably just lucky.
I don’t believe they did, but Hexbear was complete defederated for a while when they were having their domain name issue.
The spectre of Communism had you spooked, lol
All my experiences with that instance and similar ones have been disgusting.
Pushing people who post burning flags of a country and posts about it to be fully wiped out are accepted… Criticism regarding this gets your comment remove and a ban from the community.
I don’t need that again. Where can I block those pseudo-left pro-authoritarians instance?
You’re talking about Hexbear being pro-Palestinian and anti-Zionist as though they are anti-semetic and wish extermination on Jewish people. No, that’s not how Hexbear is, Hexbear is neither genocidal nor anti-semetic.
You might be talking about something else, but burning a flag of say, the US, does not mean Hexbear wants to slaughter everyone in the US. It means Hexbear stands against the US State and its ruling class, same with Israel and its genocidal ruling class.
Anti-Zionism, anti-fascism, and being pro-Palestine are all 3 Leftist stances.
Anyway, to block a community, you can do it in your settings. You will still see comments from users, just not comms.
And here we have a hot take from a member of the Commie Triad. 🙃
Lol, I see you commented with both your profiles ITT, and that you’re a member of multiple horrible communities.
the Commie Triad
lmao turns out this whining has always been red baiting
It was a joke, not a hot take. And yes, I’m a Communist, if you don’t like Communists you probably won’t like me.
As for this thread, I made one comment on my Hexbear alt for the emoji, and then swapped to this one, my main, so not really sure what your point is, here. What “horrible communities” am I a member of?
Correct, I don’t like you. Thanks for the advice to block people.
make sure to block me too so I don’t have to see your shit
I can get disliking tankies (not communists, there’s a distinction), but you’re being a bit obnoxious. Just block silently and move on.
In practical terms, “tankie” just means Communist, but coming from someone who is anti-Communist. It’s kinda like “woke.”
I wouldn’t consider myself anti-communist by any means. I do use the term when people glorify north korea and the ussr though.
Cool 👍
You’re actually pretty obnoxious with this…
I literally couldn’t give less of a shit, if you’re fine sitting at the table with Nazis, be my guest, I have a zero tolerance policy.
Equating Communists to Nazis is a form of Nazi apologia. I suggest you read Blackshirts and Reds.
Must be a sad life to ignore the only serious left posters in the anglosphere, have fun getting banned for saying we need more luigis.
Authoritarianism is the antithesis of leftism. Hexbear sure loves authoritarians despite being “serious leftists”.
Capitalism is the antithesis of leftism. Oppressing the bigots and capitalists is the essence of leftism.
Power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely. Authoritarianism is not acceptable regardless of what your ideology is, and goes against everything actual leftists stand for. People like you are no better than the capitalists and fascists you claim to be against.
Funny you would say that, because by calling for the left to neuter its ability to liberate the working class, you’re no better than the capitalists and fascists you don’t even claim to be against.
The actual leftists will not sit down and let the bourgeoisie continue to oppress people just because it’s “authoritarian” to stop them. I really wonder what you think the left is. If you want a hint, it’s not Hillary Clinton.
Show me one example of this fabled love for authoritarianism I’m always hearing about.
Take a gander through MeanwhileOnGrad. All sorts of authoritarian bootlicking documented right there for anyone to see.
Cherry-picked posts from an instance that isn’t even the one I’m talking about is supposed to be evidence of a general attitude?
Sorry you can’t be bothered to look at the evidence that’s clearly available right in front of you from a community meant to document this sort of behaviour. Where that evidence is is irrelevant, the behaviour itself is on full display for you to see.
It’s not in front of me, it’s about a different instance than I was talking about, and I am on hexbear every day, I don’t need an outsider’s fake summary.
STFU Trumpet
?? Most hexbears would literally throw a party if Trump was annihilated
No, they really would not, but I understand it’s part of the agenda to make that seemingly unclear.
I can show you the posts of the celebrations when he got covid. His death would bring sweet catharsis for all of us. I am baffled that anyone could think otherwise.
Never noticed they were gone. Just checked and my instance defederated from them. All is good in the world.
Seriously.
Feels good man.
Pretty much all my experiences with that instance and similar ones have been disgusting.
Pushing people who post burning flags of a country and posts about it to be fully wiped out are accepted… Criticism regarding this gets your comment remove and a ban from the community.
I don’t need that again. Where can I block this pseudo-left pro-authoritarian instance in Voyager?
No war but class war, I’m sorry your brainwashing has convinced you that your fellow peasants are the enemy.
Imagine being angry about flag burning in 2025.
Imagine being angry enough about a country to post its flag burning over and over again…
Yeah what kind of fringe weirdo could possibly be angry at America in 2025
Palestinians are being vaporized by the thousands, and this is of course just one instance of the many thousands of atrocities facilitated by the US since WW2, but being mad about that is total loser shit. I’m simply above it all and only speak in this detached vague style because actually being concrete in your views is extremely uncool. I totally get ya dawg hell yeah.
Roughly how many comments would you say you have that are just raging about Russia?
Putin or Russia? That’s quite a difference. And how many of them contain a burning flag or a burning Putin? Feel free to look it up…
I hold more loyalty to my dish rag at this point
You’re talking about Hexbear being pro-Palestinian and anti-Zionist as though they are anti-semetic and wish extermination on Jewish people. No, that’s not how Hexbear is, Hexbear is neither genocidal nor anti-semetic.
You might be talking about something else, but burning a flag of say, the US, does not mean Hexbear wants to slaughter everyone in the US. It means Hexbear stands against the US State and its ruling class, same with Israel and its genocidal ruling class.
Anti-Zionism, anti-fascism, and being pro-Palestine are all 3 Leftist stances.
Anyway, to block a community, you can do it in your settings. You will still see comments from users, just not comms.
You’re talking about Hexbear being pro-Palestinian and anti-Zionist as though they are anti-semetic and wish extermination on Jewish people.
No, I’m talking about people from there literally suggesting to wipe out Israel… That very innovative idea hasn’t worked for the last 80 years and won’t in the next 80 years. That’s as intelligent as suggesting to wipe out the other side. I am not interested in that kind of content.
Nobody suggests that. People want the dissolution of the Israeli state, this does not mean genocide of all Israelis, and conflating the two is a tool Zionists use in order to pretend Pro-Palestinian protestors are anti-semetic genocidal monsters.
lol, yeah, let’s act like it did not happen. I’d try to find it and post you a link, but my comment was removed by the very brave moderators who did not do anything against the extremism and made sure that there was no criticism.
The word was “destruction” and that was described as “based”.
Destruction of the State apparatus of Israel would indeed be based, as Israelis and Palestinians could live in a single, secular, democratic Palestine.
I think they are probably talking about the community being in denial of China and Russia being a dictatorship, and the fascist/authoritarian cock sucking.
Russia is certainly a dictatorship of the bourgeoisie, not sure anyone would disagree with that, the people don’t have power in the Russian Federation, same with the US. China, on the other hand, is a democracy. It’s not a liberal democracy, but the people have a direct influence on how their society is run, which is why 90%+ Chinese citizens support their government.
Hexbear is anti-fascist, so no clue what you’re talking about there, nor why you decided to go straight for homophobic insults at the end.
So when does someone besides Xi get “elected” in this so called “democracy”?
When people want someone else to be in his position 👍
So every election since he declared himself president for life?
Cool cool
Usually when there’s only one person allowed to run for president and all dissent is systemically silenced that is a sign of a dictatorship.
I’m sorry you are invested in this beleif system that does not allign with observable reality. It must be hard for you to feel grounded in reality.
Every comment I see from you is straight out of a CCP propaganda guide.
You’re pathetic for spending your time forcing yourself into spaces you aren’t welcome and shitting your fascist bootlicker beleifs onto our feeds.
Nobody cares, fuck off tankie scum
He did not declare himself president for life 👍
And for what it’s worth, I am quite welcome most places on Lemmy. There are a few users like yourself that seem to hate me, but those are in the minority of those I interact with. I’m a Leftist, after all, and Lemmy is usually pretty left-leaning. You can keep calling everyone that disagrees with you a fascist, but that doesn’t make it true.
China, on the other hand, is a democracy. It’s not a liberal democracy, but the people have a direct influence on how their society is run
Yeah. Even, if you disagree with the government, because then, you can still be democratic in jail…
Not sure what you’re trying to say here, China has a much lower imprisonment ratio than the US.
What do I have to do with US?
Most democracy rankings rank it as flawed democracy anyway. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Economist_Democracy_Index
What’s the imprisonment quote of Uigurs in China by the way?
Your point was that China just imprisons people willy-nilly and thus isn’t democratic, but that’s just not true if we look at the numbers. As for the Uyghur question, no idea, the re-education program seems to be over or nearing completion so I don’t imagine its very high.
In the same breath you praise a dictator while saying you are antifascist.
It’s incredible how incapable of self reflection tankie idiots are.
This is why people don’t like you fucking bootlickers.
Cowbee isnt praising a dictator, like its not even written in a way where you can maybe misunderstand it as such.
Why do people keep having such a hard time reading? Is this the USA education system?
Cowbees use your main account like a big boy
Hello, I am Edie, not Cowbee.
I only have 2 accounts, my .ml and my hexbear account. Edie is her own person, and misgendering faer when she puts her pronouns publicly is queerphobic.
Xi isn’t a dictator, nor is he the sole government of the PRC.
So why does he get to have totolitarian control over the country for life? INB4 more denial.
Constant denial of reality is a disgusting look for a “democracy”. It’s a disgusting look for you.
He doesn’t. Can you back any of your claims up, at all?
“If Xi isn’t a dictator, then why do I think he is? Checkmate, tankies!”
Xi has been re-elected twice because people are happy with the steady improvements in their material conditions.
- Most in China Call Their Nation A Democracy, Most in U.S. Say America Isn’t
- Long-term survey reveals Chinese government satisfaction
- Helping 800 Million People Escape Poverty Was Greatest Such Effort in History, Says [UN] Secretary-General, on Seventieth Anniversary of China’s Founding
- China’s Energy Use Per Person Surpasses Europe’s for First Time
- At 54, China’s average retirement age is too low
- China overtakes U.S. for healthy lifespan: WHO data
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If you want to talk about a fake democracy, look no further than the US. Previously:The US government was never not captured by the bourgeoisie, because the US was born of a bourgeois revolution[1]. The wealthy, white, male, land-owning, largely slave-owning Founding Fathers constructed a bourgeois state with “checks and balances” against the “tyranny of the majority”. It was never meant to represent the majority—the working class—and it never has, despite eventually allowing women and non-whites (at least those not disenfranchised by the carceral system) to vote. BBC: [Princeton & Northwestern] Study: US is an oligarchy, not a democracy
Well, I can totally get what you’re talking about, but instance blocking on lemmy only blocks communities and posts from a specific instance.
I’d recommend you check out an instance which defederates from hex. Like lemmy.ca, sh.itjust.works and sopuli.xyz.Thanks for the explanation.
Settings -> Filters & Blocks -> Scroll to the bottom to find “Blocked Instances”.
You’ll still see their comments though on other instances.
Death to America, Death to Israel. Liberation to trans people. From the river to the sea. China is socialist. Stalin shouldn’t have stopped in Berlin. Uncritical support for the Democratic People’s Republic of Korea in its ongoing resistance against the genocidal American empire.
Stop being such a pearl clutching liberal nerd
Nice one, troll…
Is that the response of the prompt “Hey ChatGPT (or probably Deepseek, sorry), I have some views. Please make them look as radical as possible”?
Uncritical support for North Korea
lol, that says something…
lol, that says something…
What does it say? Be specific for once, instead of hiding behind smug insinuation like liberals always do. Tell me what it says.
I genuinely believe in all the things I just said
Why is it so much easier to assume I’m joking than to confront the idea there are separate worldviews than yours?
You know what, “comerade”… Feel free to continue uncritically supporting North Korea (whatever than means) and good luck with your “death to XY” attitude… How can you expect anyone to take that serious?
there are separate worldviews than yours
Yes, and between black and white, there is a huge gray area. You should try it out.
Best regards The “pearl clutching liberal nerd”
Oh no not your precious nationalism.
not interested in that.
Which one is your favorite?
your mom.
This is the quality of discourse on much of the greater lemmy and some people are still upset about the spectre of hexbear lmao
Yeah, my bad… I should have entered a high quality discussion with someone who uses burning flags for communication. Damn… Probably, I’m missing out… 😅
I vote your name as the most reddit tier shit I’ve seen since we refeded.
I’m confused why they aren’t on db0 with a name like that
It’s exactly this shit that makes me eternally thankful for places like hexbear
I started writing a response to this, but it ended up exceeding Lemmy’s maximum comment length, so I had to make it as a separate post. I invite you to hear my piece, though I frankly doubt you will.
With “I have different views” or “I have a reason to not like country XY and it is …”, you can achieve a conversation with someone about it. By burning flags or sending that action as emoji, you are just making sure to end the conversation as quickly as possible or to even prevent it completely.
If you take some time and ask on the streets, you will find a person who has a really good reason to hate a country and you can achieve this for all countries on the planet. And if they start to burn a flag on the streets right on front of a random person, that random person will probably think “What a f*cking idiot”.
And it’s quite ironic that you write a **3 pages long text **about the usage of a burning-flag-emoji and how it could be interpreted. If you want your view to be interpreted “correctly”, then why posting 1 single burning flag in the first place instead of writing what you actually want to say??? It’s like showing someone the middle finger and afterwards, I talk an hour with that person and explain them the long story that their dad and I once had a conflict.
And if they start to burn a flag on the streets right on front of a random person, that random person will probably think “What a f*cking idiot”.
One of my first moments of awakening that led me to becoming a leftist was seeing a protestor burn an American flag in response to the American intervention in Afghanistan in 2001. It aroused feelings in me that my stupid child brain had trouble putting into words. So at least in my case, a burning flag had a positive outcome, and I’ll always thank that anonymous person who I’ll never know. My greatest love of my nation’s flag is its flammability.
