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Terrible implementation of a decent idea, try again
There are in fact assholes of every stripe and it is good to be aware of those within your own “camps”
The downvotes for this are wild lmao
Judging by the replies, they’re forgetting which sub this is
That’s right, extremism breeds assholes.
I’m not sure I’d use Bill Nye as the example of the asshole atheist, unless that’s the joke. Maybe Christopher Hitchens.
Bill Nye kind of is a dick though.
Some people are really warm in acute person-to-person interactions, but lack the chronic empathy to spread long-term kindness. See “southern hospitality” clashing with who those areas vote for.
Others have a well-oriented moral compass but are just really abrasive in person. That’s Bill Nye. I’ve met him and he’s not like, super mean but he’s got a bit of a holier-than-thou (or rather, smarter-than-you) complex.
For the asshole, I would have gone with Dawkins
This is lemmy. All these people are like 14. They have no idea who Dawkins is.
Lol, and here I was imagining the average lemming as a mid 30s-40s dude with a linux thinkpad and a preference for femboys with long socks.
Before the reddit exodus, that was probably true. Now it is very obviously full of people with edgy takes and no life experience.
No, it’s saying Nye is a good person. He’s an atheist and not an asshole.
But you do touch on something because it would be a challenge to find someone known for being atheist while also being a decent human being. IDK, maybe Daniel Dennitt?
I see. Perhaps I misunderstood the format.
As much as I resent religion, I do believe it’s fundamentally a human problem. People everywhere have a tendency to corrupt beliefs in order to justify being assholes to one another.
Religon was created as a control mechanism for governments that didn’t have the capability to enforce laws.
It’s a method to make communities self police.
Today it is a dangerous tool left lying around for any con man to pick up and weild
That’s why fascist movements always have a religious/nationalist base.
100%
That being said, dogmatic belief systems, which tend to be common in religion, seem to act as force multipliers in this regard.
Yeah especially if such dogmatic beliefs make people think dumb or unethical stuff is somehow okay.
And ‘assholes’ just appear at random? Nothing in these groups increases or decreases the asshole frequency? Imagine if we thought of all culture that way. Forget about progressive politics changing people’s minds and thereby their behavior. “Some people are just ‘assholes’, what are you gonna do?”
Assuming the probability of assholiness based on culture is how you treat cultures unequally. You fight assholiness in the individual level. You can’t change a culture like that. You can only educate people and they will change their own culture.
Not all beliefs are equal. If you hold by a holy text that says that women can (and should) be bought and sold or are otherwise ‘lesser’ than men, or you revere an imbecilic demagogue who claims that all immigrants are rapists, murderers and gang members, then yes, the “culture” of your group will have a higher probability of any given person being an asshole than a group of randomly-selected Humanists, for example. To equivocate that all belief systems are equal from a moral perspective is deeply naive.
ETA: I am not a humanist, because I believe that there is a point at which violence is necessary and justified to protect other lives and the rights thereof.
The Christian one should be a missionary actually helping people. Christian faith that only exists in church is a false faith
Proud asshole here
Need an asshole, hyrulian fortune teller…
I dont get it, which minority am I supposed to blame for all my problems now?
the assholes
Unfortunately, they are no longer a minority.
How many assholes have we got on this planet anyhow?
Few billion
You’re right, Mexicans do suck
Put the /s on, we need it these days.
The rich.
Billionaires
The 1%
The bottom-left one for Feminists doesn’t fit. The others are things that were created by their own group, for example, the KKK was created by Christians. That Feminist meme, on the other hand, wasn’t created by feminists but by someone else to mock them.
The number of assholes calling themselves feminists vastly outnumber the actual feminists. They have lost control of the word.
Most feminists just don’t call themselves feminists anymore because doing so makes you very likely to get harassed
I prefer to call myself egalitarian
Well they’re not really the same thing, feminism is a social movement with the goal with furthering equality. Egalitarianism just means you think everyone’s equal, doesn’t mean you actually care enough to make that a reality.
I disagree and as far as I can tell, so does Wikipedia.
Then you failed to read what I wrote
TBF I think it’d be risky to use legit examples for that panel
TERFs maybe?
Or the “all men are rapists” crowd, one of the two tbh.
Every woman I know has experienced at least sexual harrasment. Most have experienced SA or rape. Even if a man hasn’t done it, he will probably stick by his shitty mates who do or will still stay friends with them because awkwardness and bravery is harder for them than silent compliance.
If its “not all men” then it is certainly all women.
I’m picking that bear over you.
I’m sorry you have a hard life.
That’s just womanhood
My thought exactly. Most of the “feminists” who do fit that stereotype ended up becoming Feminist Appropriating Reactionary Transphobes.
Ahahahahahaa FARTs
Good point, pic of JK Rowling would fit there I’d say.
And the “keep calm and hate god” was clearly created by a theist, not an atheist
Good point. Why would an atheist hate something which doesn’t exist. The whole meme is bad.
Many atheists “hate god” as in hate the idea of a god. I can see atheist making that as a meme and I know some edgy atheists post that kind of shit all the time, which tbh is corny as hell.
Yeah, I could see it being from an antitheist if it was more along of the lines of “fuck all gods” or something along those lines. That’s operating under the assumption that all antitheists are atheists, which may not be true.
… Someone who is a theistic antitheist sounds like an interesting person.
allow me to introduce you to misotheism. my favourite take is that of famed mathematician Paul Erdös, who referred to god as the ‘SF’, which stood for ‘supreme fascist’, who he said horded all the best mathematical proofs for himself.
The best example of an asshole atheist they could find was one making a shitty anti-theist meme, meanwhile the examples of asshole Christians and Muslims are violent
well you can find them on social media hating on women instead. a lot of early atheist youtubers went on to become gamergaters.
or look at a popular one like Dawkins who is busy being a transphobe nowadays. imagine being an atheist and wasting the remainder of your precious and only life trying to make the precious and only life of the most marginalized people in society even worse.
or sam harris who literally defended torture.
Still. Putting Dawkins up against the KKK is a reach.
each of them doing what they’re capable of. the kkk used to have a lot of power. dawkins is just a misogynistic, transphobic nerd. it’s all circumstance. full time hating can lead to a lot of places. for bitches like him it’s mostly trying to get others to do the dirty work.
CCP and USSR stamped out religious practice, but go off.
As an Atheist myself, don’t delude yourself into thinking religion is unique in its capacity for horrors. Humans have that capacity, any group we make would also have that capacity.
I was commenting on the examples the meme chose to use. It implies they couldn’t find examples of violent atheists
And by implication pointed out the difficulty in finding one. Unless you literally made a statement about just the types of images they chose with no further intellectual depth, which I mean is possible (I do that shit all the time), it comes with the assumed next statement about there not being violent atheists, or at least there are less violent atheists. So I was talking to that point.
That being said, I’m autistic so I might just missing the point, but I figured that my statement should still be made in case others thought like I did initially. There have been atrocities committed by atheists and there are violent atheists.
They should have used the destruction of temples in Kyiv
It’s been a while since I’ve seen drag! :)
Drag got banned from blahaj and decided to take a step back from Lemmy
hopefully drag is doing better now. Good to see drag back.
(PS. is saying “good seeing ya” be ok with how neopronouns work? or would “drag” instead of “ya” be better?)
There are a lot of edgy athiests using all their time attacking trans people these days, because an unfortunate number of them are mainly athiests as a way to hate Muslims. And the ones taking the time to attack trans people have almost all joined the alt right, which has been responsible for a lot of attacks on innocent people.
They may not be killing in the name of atheism, but they have been in the same of “reason” and “defence of women”.
I haven’t seen that. Why would they need to be atheist to hate Muslims? You can do that from anywhere.
You can really change that to “should” instead of “can”.
They literally defend a pedo prophet. I don’t know how exactly they justify that, but I don’t really care. I will actively hate them for this one detail and feel pretty fucking justified.
When you actively go out of your way to be terrible, you intentionally choose to be considered low class until you wake up and choose a decent path.
Just be decent. That’s not a high bar to clear. Muslims and Christians fail this test. Probably a lot of others, but staying on topic of the post context here.
Maybe I’m sheltered but I don’t know of a single atheist attacking trans people. I’m not saying there aren’t any because anyone can be an asshole but I’m not sure if it’s a lot.
Prefer the Norman Rockwell version of Rosie the Riviter:
https://www.nrm.org/rosie-the-riveter/
The Norman Rockwell Museum are cowards. The photo crops out the bottom, where she’s using Mein Kampf as a footstool.
That is cowardly, that’s one of the few things its good for. Maybe fixing a wobbly table leg, and when you’re out of toilet paper.
ITT people missing the point and projecting their own beliefs and values.
This is how people “strawman”. It’s easy to hate on atheists if you just see them all as their asshole members. The truth is that any group has their violent nutjobs and vocal minorities. You can’t just say all Muslims are terrorists just the same as you can’t say feminists are hateful crazies.
Nah organized religon is actually evil
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actually dangerous white supremacist
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guy in a ninja costume with a knife
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weird meme
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completely made up stereotype
1/4: do better next time!
Misandrists exist, but most are harmless. Social media just does a good job of amplifying them like all outrage.
No it doesn’t. You just don’t want to admit that you benefit from misogyny.
You realize that both misogyny and misandry can exist at the same time in different people?
I don’t know why you feel like you know me well enough to make that claim.
The claim that there is such a thing as misandry places them on equal footing and minimises the scale of cultural misogyny.
No it doesn’t. The world isn’t that binary. That’s a twitter mindset.
Read some Judith Butler or Angela Davis
I’m not doing homework for you. Why don’t you explain it here?
It also doesn’t matter. There are encyclopedias worth of work explaining every opinion you can think of. Thing is, I’ve dealt with misandrists. One was a guy so far into the “men cause all the problems” territory that the women of that friend group had to have an intervention because he was being increasingly condescending to even women because he didn’t think they could fight their own fights.
Honestly, the biggest issue that misandrists cause is being used as a poster child for misogynists for their impression of feminists. Mostly irrelevant because misogynists don’t need evidence or reason for their mindsets. Like I said, most misandrists are harmless, but they do exist.
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