Summary
Trump has rejected the EU’s “zero-for-zero” tariff offer on cars and industrial goods, demanding instead that the bloc commit to purchasing $350 billion of American energy to offset the trade deficit.
Following his implementation of 20% tariffs on EU goods last week, which triggered significant market downturns, Trump indicated openness to negotiations while emphasizing his “America First” stance.
He also criticized EU product standards as “non-monetary barriers” designed to block American exports.
Ok, let’s negotiate. How about this: I’ll buy one Big Mac, and in return US will buy 3000 Volkswagens, 1500 Mercedes(es?!?) and at least 3 French or Italian cars…
That way the US ends up with good cars, and I am willing to risk my own health in order to improve the relations.
Maaaaybe an Alfa, but I’m not buying a damn Fiat.
Fiat, F.ix I.t A.gain T.ony.
Why would you buy an alfa? They break before they leave the dealership
Ferrari and Lambo are still cars, with how they are ripping off the middle class, there should be enough billionaires
Wait, wait, wait.
Trump, under the direction of parties unknown, is trying to force the EU to buy U.S. energy resources, and that’s the linchpin of his trade war with them?
Is he trying to give Europe a nudge back to Russian oil supplies?
If you’re a (western) European leader returning to Russian energy is at best shortsighted amnesia, at worst blatant malfeasance. There’s several reasons to not go back to Russia:
- Official legal based sanctions on Russian energy
- Ukrainian drone based ‘sanctions’ on Russian energy
- Russia’s track record of energy blackmail/hybrid warfare
- LNG and oil production available in your EEZ/the EU, albeit at higher cost than imported
- Domestic solar, hydro, and wind manufacturing/generation is ramping up
- French nuclear energy exports
- Domestic politics ie. voters turning against Russian imperial aggression/expansionism
Eastern Europe has a slightly different incentive mix, but there’s still a lot of reasons to not
Those are very well considered points, but Trump is an idiot.
tRump is an idiot influenced by putin.
So what do you suggest here? I see no reasonable option…
Commit to renewables. I’d advocate for a nuclear powered off-ramp from fossils whilst renewable capacity and infrastructure is built, but I get that each nation has its own history with fission.
Energy security is fundamental for a robust society and economy - otherwise you’re subject to pipeline shutoffs/attacks, oil embargoes/quotas, or another angle for outside nations to influence or control you. For example, if you’re chill with the French and build your economic strategy around buying their surplus energy, that strategy predicated on the French having a surplus to sell you.
Or y’know, give Canada somewhere else to sell theirs.
I assume we have some sort of underwater power line, but at first I was like: what are they gonna use to transport it? Buckets?
Since Trump’s idea of energy is coal, quite possibly. Brought to you on a coal-powered steamboat.
Ships of course, it’s the way all countries already do it. https://www.follow-this.org/roughly-40-percent-of-all-bulk-shipping-globally-is-for-coal-oil-and-gas/
Whatever the Tangerine Tyrant says…
As soon as he spends that much on ukraine
This fucking moron. So he shuts down green energy initiatives here, tries to push oil, then tries to force other countries to buy dirty energy. Fucks sake man it’s something new every day.
The EU are currently trying the carrot (offering zero for zero), Next comes the stick (targeted import and export tarrifs)… it would hurt the EU, but cripple the US.
I personally am loving the non-tarrif retaliation by China on the US. Basically banning exports to the US of critical minerals that only they produce. Love to see it.
I don’t live anywhere in the northern hemisphere and I can’t say I know much about economy and international affairs. Which targeted tariffs you think the EU will impose that will cripple US?
Either tariff all big tech companies or just outright ban them from being allowed in the public sector. If you ban amazon, microsoft, google, meta, etc then the US economy will be in shambles. Big techs revenue is like ~10% of the total US GDP.
And so will be almost every EU company/government/institution.
Nah. They have been preparing for this for years. There are ready to use replacement for most of the really important pieces of software. This would be the big push that was always needed to get technological independence from the US.
Horse shit to be frank. Aws and google cloud are huge and companies move slowly, if the top 100 euro companies decided to all get off these platforms now it would take months and months of unplanned intense effort and money
I’m not no sure. 90%+ of these services are commodities and nobody gives a damn who the provider is from a technical perspective. There’s no physical component, so it’s literally a matter of signing a contract, spinning up a server/service, move the data and point everything to the new service.
And yeah, there are technical issues that come up, and nothing is ever that easy. But think about how fast many, many companies were able to sort that kind stuff out when the had to when COVID hit.
And that’s the thing. Cloud service disruption can be an existential crisis, so why would you leave it in the hands of a hostile foreign power?
There are physical data centres that are not trivial to build and run. As I understand it, these tend to be run by the big US tech companies. So if you switch to EU service companies that are still using AWS, Google Cloud or Azure backends, you haven’t really switched away from US tech companies.
Some of the companies I have been working with were already beginning to leave. The realization that cloud pricing will only go up AND being locked into it made them very wary. Some of the planning was already underway, this may only accelerate those plans.
Great for them, there will be a lot that only just got through their first painful migrations
it would take months and months of unplanned intense effort and money
You know how much it costs EU taxpayers and customers to pay for the usage and licensing of US tech? Its absolutely absurd and most companies here are fed up with it. They will take any good alternative if its presented to them in a trustworthy manner.
The move to cloud based stuff was mostly vibes and marketing based. On prem has been shown to be cheaper, more reliable, more secure, more flexible.
If its so expensive, why doesn’t European companies make more competitive alternatives?
Yes,I work in retail in IT , absolutely no cloud in use here 😉
They have been preparing? You sure about that?
Yup. Ignore all the buzzwords in this lol https://euro-stack.eu/wp-content/uploads/2025/02/EuroStack_2025.pdf
The EU has been funding and pushing for locally run tech for a while. Matrix is increasingly becoming the base layer for all public sector communications for example. The biggest thing holding back locally developed stuff is just the easy availability of US based solutions. Take that out of the equation and people will just switch to the next best thing, which is usually not much of a downgrade.
Yes
More likely, they have been discussing about maybe starting official talks about what it would take to prepare, hypothetically.
But that doesn’t mean there aren’t alternatives to most big tech services that could be setup quickly. I personally ditched Amazon (shop and video… AWS doesn’t depend on me personally) Meta and most of Google without sweating too much. Also, while convenient, none of their consumer tech is critical; we’ve lived without any of it until recently enough, so we could probably adapt to do without it for a while if we had to.
The parts I think (and I’m not an expert by any means) where Europe is completely vulnerable are payment/banking systems and advanced electronics.
On electronics, there’s also China, which isn’t a great alternative to depend on… But if Trump decided to weaponize SWIFT or the major credit cards, could he switch most of our banking system off?
I think SEPA mitigates that dependency on Visa/MasterCard. Not being an expert I think the main issue is banks resisting change (and most likely getting kickbacks).
Electronics come from China and Taiwan anyway (i’m considering Intel/AMD CPUs as “advanced electronics” and even on that there are EU-babysteps towards advancing RISC-V).
SWIFT is actually European - Belgian in fact, it’s just that the US has an outsized influence through the dollar. Visa and Mastercard has several EU alternatives, the only caveat with them is that each of them only works in their respective countries.
The EU will never ban them.
No, but the plan is floating around to tax EU used data for foreign companies right into unprofitablily.
Yes, EU politicians are grateful and honest, they’d never betray someone who has paid them so many bribes over so many years.
Just tariff cloud stocks, watch everything crumble.
Or choose to ignore us American interlecutal property and start the second golden age of piracy
Coordinate with China on this shit. The EU and China may have their differences, but they have a common goal here and together they substantially outweigh the US
I think there is a possibility for an EU, China, Canada plus others… agreement to smooth over the gap from loss of US trade.
Maybe we are going to see a unification of the world over this! Everyone rallies together to fight the U.S. tariffs, and then there’s no more U.S.! World peace at last. Thanks Trump!
I love the vision but despite everything we’re still human.
Yeah!! I hope the rest of the world isolates and ices out the US from global trade. It can be done!!!
Yaay uh oh we’re all governed by China now :x
I really hope that EU will remain strong and not fall for any of this BS!
And the next winter wont be too cold.
Goes for the US too, Ameritard.
I’m from EU, comrade.
And if the EU needed any further incentive to keep rushing for renewable energy, here it is.
But he said the tariffs were permanent. This was not a ‘negotiating’ tactic. Oh wait, he fucking lied, like he does every time he breathes. This is the “art of the deal”, AKA the bad deal. What an idiot bully con man. President Felon.
What nobody realized is that the “art” in “art of the deal” was one of those modern “monkey threw feces at the wall” type of art pieces.
The Shart of the Deal.
They basically are permanent if his alternative is the EU buying the entire GDP of Finland in extra LNG every year
Where is the U.S.A going to get the extra gas/petrol? They are an importer of energy themselves. LOL
at this point i think the game is just to do something even dumber the next so people forget the other stupid shit like gulf of murica or whatever the idiot came up with the last weeks. he just put a tariffs on eggs…on costly precious eggs…a madman.
In 2023, the United States imported about 8.51 million barrels per day (b/d) of petroleum from 86 countries. In 2023, the United States exported about 10.15 million b/d of petroleum to 173 countries and 3 U.S. territories.
The resulting total net petroleum imports (imports minus exports) were about -1.64 million b/d, which means that the United States was a net petroleum exporter of 1.64 million b/d in 2023.
https://www.eia.gov/tools/faqs/faq.php?id=727&t=6
The US hasn’t been a net importer of oil for a long time. The reason there is still oil imports in the US is due to different oil types and refinery configurations, not because total oil production doesn’t meet demand.
Last I looked, the US was a net exporter of oil and nat gas.
More importantly what is that going to do to the price of oil in the US
How pathetic would it be if oil is gonna be the tipping point for americans. Look, we liked the racist, he might be a pedophile, a rapist and overall sex pest, he’s obese, lazy, he plays more golf than doing actual work, he looks like a potato that once wore his adult toddler pants backwards, he might ahit his pants every now and then and he’s robbing us blind in front of our eyes, he once tried to nuke a hurricane and he’s cutting school lunches and wants nothing more than a military parade like every dictator, and maybe fascism is actually cool… But expensive oil? In MY america, hell no, i want to pollute the world and i want to do it cheap
Get bent orange fuckface!
Ah, so now they are begging for money. Hard no, pass, skip, forget it, we’re good thanks.
" I fully share your loathing of European free-loading. It’s PATHETIC.”
oh my good lord he’s and actual toddler
