Democratic National Committee vice chair David Hogg’s plan to spend $20 million to primary older Democratic incumbents in Congress has sparked intense anger from some lawmakers.
How can you say democrats don’t do anything?
God the 2nd pic is cringe.
First picture is Democrat Lollypop Guild
Why this is not brought up every other day whenever Schumer or Pelosi think they are out of touch, I will never know.
Bet they do more against primary challengers than they ever have or ever will against fascists.
Might as well make a bet if the sun will rise tomorrow.
If they fought against fascists like they do to progressives, Trump wouldn’t have had any chance at even the nomination in 2016.
“We can’t upset the fascists! We have to think of decorum!”
I agree with the older Dems, but not for their reasons.
No, we should not support the candidates that Hogg supports. Because Hogg is very opposed to 2A rights, and ipso facto any candidate that he supports will also be opposed to 2A rights. And if you think that we’re gonna just vote our way out of this, I’ve got some very, very bad news for you.
Primary the old fucks with young leftists (hopefully ones that actually understand economics and tax policy)? Absolutely! Primary them with ones that ideologically aligned with Hogg? No.
That was my gut instinct too, who is this kid, how did he get a vice chair position, and ya who are these young candidates and do they understand global economics, international relations, military. What roles in congressional comittees will they be qualified for. I’m tired of seeing morons overseeing nukes. Thats gotta stop.
He survived a school shooting. I think he has good reasons for wanting gun control. Although personally I agree that citizens need to be armed against our fascist state.
Most people are for gun control, branding yourself as anti 2A doesn’t really inspire hope that he can cross the aisle. It doesn’t have to be a toxic issue but it’s delicate. After checking the wiki he seems like he’s got some qualification. Left some room to be desired but I’ll judge the man by his work.
I don’t want people who will cross the aisle. I want people who will treat the fascists like the existential threat they are.
Bro we can’t even cross the aisle to independents who voted for Clinton in 2016. Im not talking about the fascists.
Once they’re primaried, people can vote for whoever is the better candidate.
Let them pound sand. These geriatric bastards are incapable of adapting to the malevolence currently destroying everything. We need somebody willing to punch these conservative bastards’ teeth down their throats.
Hogg is 100% right and they are just whining like babies when they should be doing their effing jobs.
It’s clear Democrats aren’t interested in winning. Being a anti gun zealot is not going to win elections in the USA.
Democrats will not fight for me and my rights even in the best of times, so i would never in a trillion fucking years be okay with disarming. My body my choice in how I defend myself.
Six out of ten Americans favor stricter gun laws. Every year we lose the equivalent to a war in lives to gun violence. It is not just lives lost either. Millions of Americans live their lives in fear due to gun violence. Almost 60 percent of Americans know someone lost to gun violence.
Over 5 Million women are threatened by guns every year and we lose more children to gun deaths than the rest of the world combined. Guns are a cancer on our society.
I love his energy, but I sincerely disagree with the whole gun control narrative right now. Leaning into that when there are about to be a shitload of far right militias deputized is an absolutely fucking idiotic plan.
Gun control means: mandatory background checks, waiting periods, bans on previously convicted violent criminals owning guns, potentially magazine limits or limits on fully automatic licenses to specific users (like you may need to demonstrate you have proficiency and be a member of a gun club). None of this goes against “the right to bear arms”.
It does not mean nobody can buy guns or that guns are taken away - this is the fearmongering always pushed by the very conservative, very pro-Trump NRA.
Gun control seems to mean ‘a little more’. This comic is popular among gun owners because it reflects the feeling of constantly ratcheting ‘compromise’.
A perfect example of that is background checks. The original bill was a compromise, All gun sales at gun stores are required to have a background check, but the compromise is that private sales between one person and another are exempted. That was a negotiated compromise between the pro gun and anti-gun side. I think for the most part it was a decent compromise. But now the anti-gun side is trying to roll it back calling it the ‘gun show loophole’ which is horribly named because a gun dealer at a gun show has to do a background check anyway, and most gun shows require background checks for all sales either from a dealer or a private citizen.
The problem with universal background checks is the concept of a transfer. For example, under some proposals, if you want to lend somebody your hunting rifle to go hunting with, that might count as a transfer, which means you have to go to a gun store and pay about $50 and fill out paperwork to legally transfer ownership of the gun to them. And then when they return they have to transfer it back to you.
You should also know that an awful lot of gun owners absolutely hate the NRA. They serve a useful purpose, but their constant deranged rabble rousing fundraising makes gun owners look like paranoid morons.
What I would much prefer to do is outreach and education. An awful lot of gun control laws are based on a total misunderstanding of what guns do and how they work and what makes them powerful or not, I think if more Democrats actually understood guns you would see fewer attempts at bad laws that do nothing to increase safety but just try to turn the screws on gun owners.
Exactly. He has the right idea on this, but given his gun control background I don’t trust him any farther than I can throw him. Gun control is, at this point, nothing more than a way to lose votes. To an anti-gun liberal, gun control is good policy that saves lives. To a pro gun person, gun control is an unconstitutional civil rights violation that makes a candidate unlectable. This turns away an awful lot of pro-gun moderates from rural areas- these are the voters who make a difference in elections.
And as for the anti-gun base, and anti-gun moderates, what are they going to do, vote Republican in protest? Let’s be real.Gun control is a lose lose proposition
Those laws wouldn’t get passed until this whole thing is over and there are progressives in office able to actually do things, if that happens. You wouldn’t have gun control as the law of the land in two months. And guns need to take a massive fucking back seat in America. No more blood cult shit, because that’s what it is.
Go for what you actually want, which is freedom. Freedom is when you aren’t surrounded by people with guns.
I get it, but this is where he comes from, I thought the same thing you did until I read this.
So like… I was in my early thirties when this happened. I know. I remember. I watched some of the news livestreams as it went down.
I said what I said understanding that.
I am by no means trying to diminish, demean, discredit, disparage, or otherwise detract from his experience. Im saying that I am very fucking concerned that an actual war is coming, and disarming right before a war is a great fucking way to get killed.
If it has to be democrats instead of a new party, this is literally the only way to make it work.
Good Job David Hogg and Leaders We Deserve, hope you oust a ton of these ancient shitbirds.
The neoliberals no longer have the chair…
Ken Martin does…
And the same DNC voters who elected him, elected David Hogg as a vice chair…
Like, this is the party.
Why would we push for a new one, when we just got control of the old one after decades?
Martin has been making the same AIPAC-slave moves as the last dem corporation leader. The time you spent learning his name was completely wasted. He might as well be the last guy.
We’re not doing another 2016
We can have leftist leadership or admit we want a fascist dictatorship.
The DNC have had over 50 years to choose to force their rich doners to make concessions. They’ve shown they aren’t interested.
The Neoliberals don’t get to be in charge anymore.
The Neoliberals don’t get to be in charge anymore.
They’re literally not tho…
Like, the battles were fought, the war was won…
You just don’t seem to be politically engaged enough to have noticed.
So in your view, the current makeup of democratic leadership, representatives and senators is what “fixed” should look like?
Until there’s no more first past the post, a progressive party would have to replace the democrats, or it would split the “default non-stupid” vote.
This guy would have been 8 years old when obama was elected seriously I can’t get over that. He’s the Vice chair of DNC? I ran a company at 25, but i was not ready for that kind of leadership position. I learned so much between 25-30. Putting a fucking kid incharge of the DNC based on what? Who is this guy and what are his qualifications for this position?
Hogg’s too young! Bernie’s too old! AOC is a woman!
What’s the next excuse for why the party opposes only its left?
I came to the conclusion 2 hours ago that the problem with this country is not the government, but the two parties holding it hostage. I envision a country where we form 2-3 new parties who can represent their constituents and protect the Constitution. I think Dems are traitors too. I think I would vote for a party that was lead by AoC and guided by Bernie. Idk who hogg is but ya i have serious questions about a 25 year olds understanding of our country and it’s issues. I think if he’s vice chair of the DNC i should know more about him and his qualifications to chose candidates? Don’t you beleive in transparent democracy?
With how fast the Democrats became Republicans, I’m sure they’ll start complaining about food stamps going to illegals soon
His qualifications are wanting a change in direction when the status quo isn’t working. What the hell is the point of keeping geriatric corrupt asshole in charge of the DNC when they would rather lose to Trump than allow a progressive to win? What has all their supposed wisdom wrought?
Wanting change isn’t a qualification. That basically includes every human on the planet. Does he have the education and the experience to be deciding the future leaders of the country. Does he understand the issues we face domestically and abroad? I guess im trying to get a better feel for how this young mans wisdom and strategy will benefit me, a democratic voter since 2008…
I’m totally down with primarying everyone. I’m also ready to see the older fuckers retire into consulting positions. I value their wisdom and experience, I do not value their inputs into our democracy. In short I am with you.
However this all reeks of populism, so I’d like to know which candidates we are spending money on. I also think that spending money campaigning against friendly seats is not a wise use of money in this time. Im sure those reasources could be better spent on common cause. This feels a bit like a witch hunt. Happy to see a long string of qualified candidates and be wrong tho!
Mistake for who? Not a mistake for me, not a mistake tactically considering the policy and popularity polling, not a mistake when you consider that these people have been suppressing popular and well polling progressive policies and candidates for decades and still managed to lose the presidency and both houses to a goddamn moron…
All of this shit, all of these “reasons” they list in opposition to Hogg’s initiative, they are all bullshit. Bullshit and deflections and distractions from the fact that they are concerned exclusively about the bottom line for their wealthy benefactors, and about their own as well. The irony that is not lost on anyone is that they are the assholes who did this to us in the first place, and would you look at that, Donald Trump is about to hand them a tax cut.
Both sides, the old guard is useless but he’s massively anti 2A, which is also not helpful right now.
Na the fascists are also going to need to get rid of the 2A soon. They don’t need headlines like “ICE impersonator shot by citizen while conducting an extra judicial abduction”
You can’t put that genie back in the bottle on any reasonable time scale, there’s more guns than people in the US, and half of them are basically invisible to authorities.
Both sides, the old guard is useless but
but here comes the excuse…
he’s massively anti 2A, which is also not helpful right now.
How convenient!
Only a fool would willingly disarm with fascist trying to take absolute power
Sure. It’s not because he’s trying to push the party to the left. It’s because the party has suddenly come around to being single-issue voters who agree with republicans on yet another issue, this time guns.
Before that, it was genocide, immigration, and trans people. What will we agree with republicans on next?
They’re really upset about losing their expense accounts. Sure they get a salary, but every single one of them has an expense account that dwarfs their salary.
God the more I learn about this kid the more I am impressed and behind his every move!
Can you tell me more about him? This is the first time I’ve heard of him and I can’t find much online.
Look up the Parkland School shooting. He also has a wikipedia page.
Ah thank you. Wish it said what his BA from harvard was in, but sounds like he’s got some good experience with activism and policy so that’s nice. Hopefully he can find some good candidates/
He was a student during the stoneman Douglas School shooting, then picked up skeet/trap shooting, and it’s currently one of the vice chairs of the Democratic national committee.
Did he go to college for IR? Did he work under anyone in congress? Did he have a career? Advanced degree? Youtube channel? Why is he given 20 Million dollars to fund candidates? Sounds like he might be a good fund raiser with a recognizable name. A face to bring people in, but is he qualified to be making high level decsisions on behalf of all democrats and really americans? Your goal is to run the country for americas benefit right? Not the democrat party?
Why was Elon musk allowed to spend a quarter billion Billion BILLION dollars on a single state’s supreme Court judge’s race.
I think you need to stare into this🪞 for a little longer than a little while.
Well that’s a great point! I thought about it, and I did some research on how the DNC selects its members. I concluded that the DNC itself is an elitist organization that does nothing but provide fake opposition to a real problem with the republicans. I find that the institution itself flys in the face of fair represenation. I’ve really felt that way since 2016 when they didn’t let Bernie take the nomination. But now I’m extra irate. and as i sit here staring at a child who is going to be determining the parties future I have real questions and concerns.
You have snarky answers and downvotes. You got a real address to my criticism or did I lose you somewhere and this is all I will get?
I looked in the mirror and what i saw was just another question. Why couldn’t the DNC find a candidate to beat Trump or Mitch McConell or any other psychopath entrenched in office for 30+ years? Why is the DNC’s messaging and strategy so bad that they can lose an election to a deranged tyrant… twice.
Either way I looked in the future mirror and you’re starving in a camp in El Salvador, or maybe starving at your house. It’s the ghost of this christmas future. Have fun when supply chains collapse and your can’t exchange your money for food buddy!
If the dude can raise $20 million he can do whatever the fuck he wants with it. Crybaby old farts need to get with the times.
??? Really you think that’s what the donors think when they send money to the DNC???
“Here’s my hard earned money please do what ever the fuck you want with it, efficacy be damned”
That actually explains a lot tbh. You might be on to something here!
“Here’s my hard earned money please do what ever the fuck you want with it, efficacy be damned”
I mean, that’s the response they expect from progressives.
Yea fair. I came around to it while typing my comment. I appreciate the insight it made me come to other enlightening conclusions.
I wish Lemmy could do gifs, cause I want to post the Michael Jackson eating popcorn from thriller so bad right now. Screw these feckless fucks! They have proven to be weak pieces of shit at every turn since Obama’s second term.
But … Lemmy can do gifs? Am I misunderstanding?
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We’ve been past the fume stage for a fucking while
Even the complaints against Hogg are just virtue signaling.
No action. Ever.
They are complicit.
LO AND BEHOLD M’LORD.
I was just talking about how the dems are ineffective and have no strategy, and here’s another one to add to my list of sources.
