DISCLAIMER: this is not my content that was removed, I just came across it in the modlog and found it to be absurd. If it’s not allowed, I totally understand.
Reason removed was because it’s unrelated.
Unrelated……
The guy was illegally deported without due process. And yet for some reason, suggesting so is somehow “unrelated” to a meme that is trying to say that because he is affiliated (no charges were ever filed against him for gang-related activity) with a gang, he is by default, guilty.
What’s ironic, is that the entire point of the meme is that the bullshit about him being in MS-13 is unrelated to the fact that people want accountability for this administration illegally deporting a man without due process.
This mod has definitely chosen the correct name.
And even taken into consideration that the instance is essentially a troll haven for wayward 4Chan refugees, they should still have to adhere to the rules of common sense.
Locking this topic because y’all clearly can’t stop trying to argue politics. Please use the relevant comms instead and not the comments of PTB posts.
Yeah it’s it’s shit server bro
Thanks for this. I have some “conservative” communites blocked, but I didn’t know about “conservativeS.” Added to the list.
No problem. Yeah. Everyone should know about them.
I was surprised… until I saw that it was c/conservatives…
Hey! I was the commenter! I’ve since been banned from there, but I did keep calling out the mod. 😆
I believe my last comment before being banned contained the phrase ‘sad piss baby’.
At least your voice is heard here. I saw this and just felt it needed to be called out.
The immigration judge literally said there was no proof he was MS-13.
Plaintiff Abrego Garcia is not a member of or has no affiliation with Tren de Aragua, MS-13, or any other criminal or street gang. Although he has been accused of general “gang affiliation,” the U.S. government has never produced an iota of evidence to support this unfounded accusation.
https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.mdd.578815/gov.uscourts.mdd.578815.1.0_1.pdf
Trump’s attempts at “proving” he was MS-13 was a laughably bad photoshop of “ms13” across his knuckles that took exactly 5 seconds of searching to disprove.
jesus christ… i hate trump more than you BUT, they didn’t photoshop ms13 across his knuckles, the picture is annotated to show what they assume it means.
it goes:
Marijuana=M, Smiley=S, Cross=1, Skull=3the “ms13” written on there is obviously not part of the photo and nobody thought it was.
it’s completely insane, and not at all evidence, but it’s not what you’re saying, ffs
Cross=1, Skull=3
Obviously
Yeah. I think what I’ve seen is that Trump and his dipshit administration is going off of some unsubstantiated bullshit claims by the police.
That’s apparently all they need now.
sounds like something a gang member would say….
HC not beating the “just a reskinned exploding heads” allegations
Don’t say that too loudly or one of their admins will come to argue it’s totally different trust us
I thought non citizens also had a right to a fair trial?
They’re supposed to. But unfortunately Trump and his DOJ are wiping their ass with the Constitution. So I wouldn’t count on any due process in this country for the next 4 years unless we can replace Congress and get that fucker out.
with due process exceptions, anyone can be labelled ‘non citizen’ and treated without due process.
either everyone has due process, or no one is.
They did. And if you read a few of the comments here, it’s somehow the fault of the democrats?
The absolute bonked-zonkers thing about this is that they’ve fully memory-holed that even if this guy was undeniably part of MS-13, the group they were going after and who they had authorized this extra-judicial violence against was tren de aragua. Members of MS-13 should still, under their initial claims, not be able to be deported without trial like this.
PTB in this case.
We have our very own r/conservative (degrogatory) now.
Why can’t they stay on their shit and be miserable there, they always follow us around and try and wreck whatever we make like the petulant whiny brats they are. I don’t go into their shitholes, why can’t they just stay out of our house
Not even they like each other. They want a constant supply of docile victims.
Because they can’t stand being around other people like themselves.
Because conservative idiots aren’t content talking to each other in their own spaces, they seek to force their ideas onto other people, even those who wish not to listen to them. It’s why they shut exploding-heads down, they were widely defederated and couldn’t force their ideas onto other people easily.
this is the million dollar question
Because they’re utterly devoid of original thought and creativity and crave the attention.
They’re every annoying prepubescent sibling you’ve ever had, but in the guise of a fully grown voting adult.
The dems lost because they support fascist bullshit like the war on “MS-13” and the prison industry. And they’ll continue to support this despite the resistance of a tiny minority of politicians.
The dems are helpless to oppose policies that they support.
As a left-leaning person, I didn’t get that memo to support fascist bullshit like the war on “MS-13” and the prison industry.
Was that supposed to come with my George Soros check?
Were you listening to Kamala Harris?
Are the dems in the room with you?
Rent-free in his head, all day, every day. Not sure what he’d do without the Dems to whine about.
Yeah. The post clearly has nothing at all to do with democrats, yet these people go through some insane feats of mental gymnastics to make it about whatever they are upset about that day.
Trumps crime organization removed that man’s right to due process, no one else did.
Like when you say “Fuck Nazis” and suddenly a bunch of comments going “The conservatives did nothing wrong!” Like what?
Yeah, dude seems to want to be on the wrong side of every argument.
I think technocrit just likes to be a shitstirrer and bitching about the Dems is easy ragebait material. Doesn’t matter what the thread is about, gotta bait the libs somehow. Of course, now that the Dems are basically irrelevant, it rings hollow and just makes him look like one trick pony.
A lot of them do this to goad people into saying shit they can report. I’ve been on the moderator side of these things before. It happens a lot more than you think.
I mean, a concerted effort to lie about known facts in a massive disinformation campaign, is unironically a reason why he is in office now. Though no way they see that context.
If they have all this evidence it should have been really easy to follow due process.
The thing is they don’t have enough for a conviction, if they had they would have used it.
It’s the same reason they couldn’t prove the election was stolen. Because they had no evidence.
A conviction for what? They don’t need to convict him of anything. He was in the country illegally, self admittedly so. He was found to be a MS-13 gang member, in the country illegally, so they deported him to his home country.
Just think about it. Out of the couple-hundred-odd people that Trump deported to El Salvador, why are the Democrats focusing on this one guy? Because the Trump admin themselves admitted that they fucked up and shouldn’t have deported him. Now they’re trying to do damage control.
I’ve seen a lot of people mention this - the reason they say it was “in error” wasn’t a “whoops he wasn’t supposed to be deported” error, there was just an incorrect line in the paperwork:
Also at the White House, Miller swipes at Reuveni, the suspended lawyer: “No one was mistakenly sent anywhere. The only mistake that was made is a lawyer put an incorrect line in a legal filing that’s since been relieved.”
That’s from a very anti-trump media source btw:
There’s no “damage control”. Immigration courts ruled he should be deported and is an MS-13 member TWICE in 2019. He self admittedly was in the USA illegally.
He is still allowed due process. Otherwise what is stopping power from deporting people on the basis of being an “illegal”, or any other reason they conjure up? Due process is literally the method for gathering objective information about the situation to determine next steps, while allowing for a defense. It is in the constitution. And it is the only way to objectively determine truth rather than “he said she said” nonsense. We’re better than this, c’mon now.
He had his due process.
He was TWICE ordered to be deported, twice ruled to be an MS-13 member, by the courts.
A judge then ordered a stay on his deportation because MS-13s rival gang would likely target him if he was sent home (strange thing to rule if he isn’t an MS-13 member, right?).
The government has invoked the illegal alien act which allows them to deport MS-13 gang members.
He was deported due to TWICE being ruled a MS-13 member by the courts.
That’s due process. What more do you think this illegal immigrant gang member should have been given? He already had his defense in court. He lost. Twice.
Due process applies to even non-citizens. 14th Amendment applies to all people within the borders.
He got his due process.
I have questions and I don’t know the facts. Was he a non-citizen? Was he sentenced to prison by the US or El Salvador? My understanding is the Constitutional bar for deportation of non-citizens is pretty low, but sentencing someone to prison requires due process. Unless he wasn’t sentenced here, but there.
He was a non-citizen, but had protected status. Specifically, a judge had ruled that he could not be deported to El Salvador, which is where Trump et al. deported him to (e.g., in direct violation of a federal judicial order). The deportation proceedings had no due process at all, which is to say, he was never given a hearing after being arrested, never given a chance to speak to an attorney, etc. All of which is illegal.
You forgot to mention that the reason why the judge ruled he shouldn’t be deported to El Salvador is because a rival gang, since he was proven to be MS-13, might harm him if he was.
Yeah, no. There’s exactly zero evidence other than the say-so of Trump et al. that he was a member of MS-13, or any other gang. He was being targeted by gangs, yes, but you can be targeted for gang violence for doing things like, say, speaking out against gangs. Or not giving in to their extortion demands. My nephew was targeted by a gang because he was a witness to a drive-by shooting, and the DA compelled him to testify.
He was proven in immigration court TWICE in 2019 to be MS-13:
https://ijr.com/doj-releases-full-dossier-of-evidence-that-abrego-garcia-was-ms-13/
Just because you haven’t seen the evidence doesn’t mean it’s not there.
What I have heard from the other side (because I believe all news is biased so I consume as many opposing sources as I can) is that the rival gang for which he applied for asylum from, it doesn’t exist anymore. So asylum rejected I guess. I’ve only had eight days off in the last six months so I don’t have time to do real research. But I appreciate whenever I see sources for claims. I don’t believe much outside that.
What I heard is that he fled form the gang and that is why he was granted asylum. I really hate how news media works.
Where would the right place be that one might mention that ?
Right there after that person said it was ruled that he shouldn’t be deported, since that’s where it’s especially relevant given it’s a gang related reason.
Telling people to “fuck off” is incredibly rude. YDI.
Trump is merely continuing the Biden tradition of seeing 40 beheaded babies and finding Hamas bases under hospitals. But if Trump does it suddenly you believe in the rule of law. It has already been demolished.
Didn’t we all call it that these MAGA dipshits were going to keep trying to blame democrats after the election if Kamala lost?
It’s an impressive PR campaign, I’ll give them that.
Classic Democrat take. Propaganda didn’t win Trump the election. The painful incompetence of Biden and Kamala handed him the election. And the painful incompetence of Trump will (hopefully, as in hopefully there’s another election) lead to the election of whoever the next completely unlikable and unpopular Democratic candidate is. Have you folks ever thought of running a candidate who would actually tacke income inequality and fairly tax the rich? Nah, didn’t think so.
Considering that this discussion has nothing to do with the PTB in question, I’m going to end this here before my comments get removed. I’d rather keep the discussion within the wheelhouse of the post.
Anyone who calls you out on getting banned for insulting people is a Russian troll
Use some basic manners before making a post on how bad mods are.
Man, I love how chivalrous you people get when you truly believe there exists a high road that would have you.
Anyone would agree that embarrassment sucks, but I’ll admit that second-hand embarrassment is fucking delicious sometimes.
Hit the road, kid. Your MAGA apologia doesn’t fly here.
Screams insults
Gets banned
YDI
Nooo that is MAGA Apologia!!!
Show me where I was banned for screaming insults. Because you see, this is where your bullshit breaks down. There’s receipts.
Here’s my modlog
I don’t see a single insult screamed, unless calling someone by their sock puppet name is considered “screaming an insult.”
You really need to try harder.
And now, unless you’d like to discuss the actual topic of the post. I’m going to release you back into the custody of whoever handles MAGA’s Lemmy Division.
Scream MAGA at everything
“I am so chivalrous”
“YDI for telling a bootlicking fascist apologist to fuck off.”
“I am so chivslrous’
How’s bout ya fuck off and eat a slug pissant.
This place is filled with people who do not know how to behave.
You’re on the internet being an annoying shit stain, course folks are gonna be assholes. Being nice ain’t a virtue it’s a courtesy one I ain’t given ya.
More insult slinging from the civilized liberals who were so eager about good language when defending genocide. What a surprise.
Dude ya just called an Inland Imperial Redneck a civilized liberal, I ain’t either I’m a minarchist socialist. As for defending genocide I’m gonna assume ya are referring to the genocide in Gaza, which all I have to say on that one is that id turn Tel Aviv into a parking lot. An eye for an eye flesh for flesh kill em all and let the gods sort out the rest.
Perhaps ya should stop while you are ahead because all you are doing is making an ass of thineself.
You’re free to block it and walk away.
Just…. Walk away.
Telling people to “fuck off” is incredibly rude
Oh hey look it’s the average .world mod attitude! Rudeness < Nazi behaviour, so maybe check your priorities on criticism yeah?
Yep. I am not even telling the genocide defenders to “Fuck off” nor personally insult them.
Well, aren’t you a saint?
Ohmygod I saw the link and all the best parts of my brain lit up.
I will never be able to not read every single comment in a YPTB thread. I just won’t.
Can you link the part where I started screaming insults?
YDI.
Can you point out where I said you did?
FU.
“Fuck off with this”
Is that your comment or not?
Not.
I see the “don’t sass the nazis” attitude so prevalent among reddit mods made it to lemmy. Bummer.
Not on this instance matey lol. But LW for sure.
Fuck right off
Nothing gets Liberals angrier than being called out on their hypocrisy 🙂
Who are you? Please don’t speak to me or my son ever again.
And nothing attracts a MAGA troll than negative news about their king.
