DISCLAIMER: this is not my content that was removed, I just came across it in the modlog and found it to be absurd. If it’s not allowed, I totally understand.
Reason removed was because it’s unrelated.
Unrelated……
The guy was illegally deported without due process. And yet for some reason, suggesting so is somehow “unrelated” to a meme that is trying to say that because he is affiliated (no charges were ever filed against him for gang-related activity) with a gang, he is by default, guilty.
What’s ironic, is that the entire point of the meme is that the bullshit about him being in MS-13 is unrelated to the fact that people want accountability for this administration illegally deporting a man without due process.
This mod has definitely chosen the correct name.
And even taken into consideration that the instance is essentially a troll haven for wayward 4Chan refugees, they should still have to adhere to the rules of common sense.
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Locking this topic because y’all clearly can’t stop trying to argue politics. Please use the relevant comms instead and not the comments of PTB posts.
This is also blatant misinformation. No judge ever made a finding that he was associated with MS-13. The government asserted it in court but it’s never been proven. The immigration proceedings largely revolved around his asylum application, interview, and testimony.
So they’re lying in an attempt to make it sensational enough to bust past due process. For an example of how that looks long term, check Duterte’s regime in the Philippines. Many people were killed extrajudicially and written off as drug dealers.
The allegations that he is a member of MS-13 are completely from an unnamed confidential informer who is their sole source. The gang of cops involved in grabbing him up in the past includes a cop who was fired for misconduct.
The alleged “human trafficking” accusation comes from being pulled over while driving a van full of construction workers to a job site.
The entire case against him is built on lies and unproven allegations that would NEVER stand up in court, and I suspect that is true for nearly all the rest of them, too.
A reminder to MAGA Nazi Traitors that this issue isn’t about the character of this person, its about the abject dismissal of Due Process. If they can do it to this person, based on phoney and exagerrated allegations, then they can do the same thing to American citizens, and they eventually will. This is just practice, as well as wearing people down, so they get tired of hearing about it, and won’t get so personally invested the next time it happens.
Pretty much, yeah. It looks like they’re going on this as “evidence”
The Justice Department shared records, not previously made public, detailing how police officers in Maryland assessed Abrego Garcia was a member of the MS-13 gang during an arrest in 2019. He had no criminal history at the time, which the documents also state, and his attorneys have denied that he is a gang member.
We all know a police officer’s “assessment” doesn’t mean shit, but it seems this is what they’re working from.
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Based on the spectacular feat of mental gymnastics you performed in order to find a way to make all of this the democrats fault- I’m going to assume you’re not here in good faith and respond in kind:
🫵 lol
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You’re an entire idiot.
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The mental gymnastics are astounding that you have come to the conclusion that somehow, I can become self-inflicted by something you helped MAGA achieve.
Brilliant work there.
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I wonder what the approval rating for non-voting mouth-breathing blowhards is? It’s got to be in the lower 2’s.
I guess it’s good for you that no one can check, isn’t it?
Considering that this discussion is not even close to the point of the meme and since you seem to just want to see if you can out-snark me, I’m going to just end this here.
Get that last word in and be sure to make it a good’n!
I mean, Trump isn’t helping working class Americans.
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bUt the dEmOcRaTs gUyS!!
This has NOTHING at all to do with the democrats and everything to do with some stupid agenda you have to rub the stink of “bOtH SiDeS” bullshit all over everything you can find.
The post is about a shit-tier tool of a mod. Not the democrats. The subject of the shit-tier mod’s action is a post that has everything to do with the current administration’s decision to forcefully kidnap a man with no evidence to support their accusation, and illegally deport him without due process.
How about you stop with this bullshit and read the fucking room for a change.
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Are the democrats in the room with you?
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Got it. Yep, I agree, no notes.
Oh yeah, that guy is a real dipshit.
Yeah. And what’s sad is that he seems to revel in it. How fucking pathetic must one’s life be to find joy in being a massive pile of shit?
Some people area so poor that all they have in life is money.
Hilariouschaos seems to pop up a lot here lately
There’s a good reason for that.
Hilariouschaos and Lemmy.today tend to be known to be the conservative instances.
Hilariouschaos is one person pretending to be multiple people. Unhinged behavior
How do you know?
Half joking but it’s the vibe I get. EveryoneNot sure how many actual people there are but the admin(s) definitely has multiple accounts and talks to themselves in “themed” communities. Like the Governor Chris Christie account
mrmanager of lemmy.today is just a bartender keeping to himself
They protect Universal Monk and his alt characters even after having been given evidence. They basically chose not to bother looking into it.
I’m about ready to block the instance. Not much of value will be lost.
Nothing at all will be lost. They’ll still show up in the modlogs. That’s where I saw this idiot’s work.
I think I was banned from there for calling out one of Universal Monk’s alt characters. I still see his shit show up in the logs.
today is only ‘conservative’ thanks to one very prolific poster. Some of us are sane. Block ‘that’ user (and all the alts, I guess) and the community he posts in.
Hmm, I don’t know if I can do the bang within a hyperlink, so here [email protected]
That community only has one user.
I got into a discussion with two of the admins there. They basically have every intention to sit on their hands and do nothing at all about that troll, even though proof was brought right to their fucking doorstep.
So it seems .today is going to be his own little personal echo chamber.
Idk when chuckles became a mod or admin but they’re eleventy times worse than Alice.
It’s certainly chaos but there’s a distinct lack of hilarity.
Alice is okay, just a bit overenthusiastic with niche communities.
Chuckles seems to be a completely different level
… wayward 4Chan refugees … common sense.
Come on now, you know better.
Fair point.
The Judge that so heavily rebuked Trump is a Reagan appointee
The dems lost because they support fascist bullshit like the war on “MS-13” and the prison industry. And they’ll continue to support this despite the resistance of a tiny minority of politicians.
The dems are helpless to oppose policies that they support.
As a left-leaning person, I didn’t get that memo to support fascist bullshit like the war on “MS-13” and the prison industry.
Was that supposed to come with my George Soros check?
Were you listening to Kamala Harris?
Are the dems in the room with you?
Rent-free in his head, all day, every day. Not sure what he’d do without the Dems to whine about.
Yeah. The post clearly has nothing at all to do with democrats, yet these people go through some insane feats of mental gymnastics to make it about whatever they are upset about that day.
Trumps crime organization removed that man’s right to due process, no one else did.
I think technocrit just likes to be a shitstirrer and bitching about the Dems is easy ragebait material. Doesn’t matter what the thread is about, gotta bait the libs somehow. Of course, now that the Dems are basically irrelevant, it rings hollow and just makes him look like one trick pony.
A lot of them do this to goad people into saying shit they can report. I’ve been on the moderator side of these things before. It happens a lot more than you think.
Like when you say “Fuck Nazis” and suddenly a bunch of comments going “The conservatives did nothing wrong!” Like what?
Yeah, dude seems to want to be on the wrong side of every argument.
Hey! I was the commenter! I’ve since been banned from there, but I did keep calling out the mod. 😆
I believe my last comment before being banned contained the phrase ‘sad piss baby’.
At least your voice is heard here. I saw this and just felt it needed to be called out.
e: there’s another symbol from France Americans could learn from.
Good point!
I was surprised… until I saw that it was c/conservatives…
Thanks for this. I have some “conservative” communites blocked, but I didn’t know about “conservativeS.” Added to the list.
No problem. Yeah. Everyone should know about them.
Yeah it’s it’s shit server bro
If they have all this evidence it should have been really easy to follow due process.
The thing is they don’t have enough for a conviction, if they had they would have used it.
A conviction for what? They don’t need to convict him of anything. He was in the country illegally, self admittedly so. He was found to be a MS-13 gang member, in the country illegally, so they deported him to his home country.
Due process applies to even non-citizens. 14th Amendment applies to all people within the borders.
He got his due process.
He is still allowed due process. Otherwise what is stopping power from deporting people on the basis of being an “illegal”, or any other reason they conjure up? Due process is literally the method for gathering objective information about the situation to determine next steps, while allowing for a defense. It is in the constitution. And it is the only way to objectively determine truth rather than “he said she said” nonsense. We’re better than this, c’mon now.
He had his due process.
He was TWICE ordered to be deported, twice ruled to be an MS-13 member, by the courts.
A judge then ordered a stay on his deportation because MS-13s rival gang would likely target him if he was sent home (strange thing to rule if he isn’t an MS-13 member, right?).
The government has invoked the illegal alien act which allows them to deport MS-13 gang members.
He was deported due to TWICE being ruled a MS-13 member by the courts.
That’s due process. What more do you think this illegal immigrant gang member should have been given? He already had his defense in court. He lost. Twice.
Just think about it. Out of the couple-hundred-odd people that Trump deported to El Salvador, why are the Democrats focusing on this one guy? Because the Trump admin themselves admitted that they fucked up and shouldn’t have deported him. Now they’re trying to do damage control.
I’ve seen a lot of people mention this - the reason they say it was “in error” wasn’t a “whoops he wasn’t supposed to be deported” error, there was just an incorrect line in the paperwork:
Also at the White House, Miller swipes at Reuveni, the suspended lawyer: “No one was mistakenly sent anywhere. The only mistake that was made is a lawyer put an incorrect line in a legal filing that’s since been relieved.”
That’s from a very anti-trump media source btw:
There’s no “damage control”. Immigration courts ruled he should be deported and is an MS-13 member TWICE in 2019. He self admittedly was in the USA illegally.
I have questions and I don’t know the facts. Was he a non-citizen? Was he sentenced to prison by the US or El Salvador? My understanding is the Constitutional bar for deportation of non-citizens is pretty low, but sentencing someone to prison requires due process. Unless he wasn’t sentenced here, but there.
He was a non-citizen, but had protected status. Specifically, a judge had ruled that he could not be deported to El Salvador, which is where Trump et al. deported him to (e.g., in direct violation of a federal judicial order). The deportation proceedings had no due process at all, which is to say, he was never given a hearing after being arrested, never given a chance to speak to an attorney, etc. All of which is illegal.
You forgot to mention that the reason why the judge ruled he shouldn’t be deported to El Salvador is because a rival gang, since he was proven to be MS-13, might harm him if he was.
What I have heard from the other side (because I believe all news is biased so I consume as many opposing sources as I can) is that the rival gang for which he applied for asylum from, it doesn’t exist anymore. So asylum rejected I guess. I’ve only had eight days off in the last six months so I don’t have time to do real research. But I appreciate whenever I see sources for claims. I don’t believe much outside that.
What I heard is that he fled form the gang and that is why he was granted asylum. I really hate how news media works.
Where would the right place be that one might mention that ?
Right there after that person said it was ruled that he shouldn’t be deported, since that’s where it’s especially relevant given it’s a gang related reason.
Yeah, no. There’s exactly zero evidence other than the say-so of Trump et al. that he was a member of MS-13, or any other gang. He was being targeted by gangs, yes, but you can be targeted for gang violence for doing things like, say, speaking out against gangs. Or not giving in to their extortion demands. My nephew was targeted by a gang because he was a witness to a drive-by shooting, and the DA compelled him to testify.
He was proven in immigration court TWICE in 2019 to be MS-13:
https://ijr.com/doj-releases-full-dossier-of-evidence-that-abrego-garcia-was-ms-13/
Just because you haven’t seen the evidence doesn’t mean it’s not there.
It’s the same reason they couldn’t prove the election was stolen. Because they had no evidence.
The absolute bonked-zonkers thing about this is that they’ve fully memory-holed that even if this guy was undeniably part of MS-13, the group they were going after and who they had authorized this extra-judicial violence against was tren de aragua. Members of MS-13 should still, under their initial claims, not be able to be deported without trial like this.
