Its worked for over 100 years though. It just doesn’t work in all circumstances.
We have never gotten rights or rights back from voting for them. A lot of people died for our rights and I’m not talking about soldiers. Miners, farm workers, industrial workers, healthcare, etc. It required many deaths for change to be made and it was force. Remember Stone Wall was a riot!
Hitler was voted into power.
So he would never have been elected with enough counter votes.
Just a reminder that troll factories manipulate from both sides of the political spectrum: they try to play to disenfranchise effective opposition from the groups they know they won’t convince while they promote support for their own candidates from the groups they know they have their support.
I’m seeing a weird amount of anti-voting posts 2 months before an extremely consequential midterm that’s very likely to shift the balance in Congress unless an incredible amount of voter suppression occurs (and oh look, lots of sketchy voter suppression is going on, plus it would be very inexpensive to spin up some social media campaigns to try to discourage voting)
Yup! just keep spreading anti-voting propaganda! THAT’LL DEFINITELY HELP
Why vote for better leaders when you can just doomscroll and pretend you’re daddy’s special lil anarchist boy that understands everything so fucking perfectly!
jog on, prick
Anarchist spreading shit to enable fascism and feel justified while everyone suffers.
Fuck off.
I bet you never got arrested at a protest. Have you had the secret service or FBI visit you yet? If the answer is no than you’re supporting the fascist government instead of fighting it!
As far as I know, he was voted in. So get the fuck out with this bullshit of yours
Not really, no. He was appointed.
Wiki paints me a different picture: NSDAP did get actual support. Along with using a long list of very non-democratic ways to get more power, though
He got support but there was no national vote for Hitler.
True that
That doesn’t rebut OP’s posit
It does. Long before the need of having to get facists out arises there is an option to not get them in
Edit: which is actually what democratic process should be about. Keep your society well-functioning constantly. Or you’ll have a hell of a time bringing it back to normal out of insanity
Voting ended slavery, the Civil War was fought by the assholes who followed the instructions in this thread.
Not everything needs to be solved with violence.
Voting definitely did not end slavery in the US.
Do both. Vote and rebel. Hit all fronts.
Exactly! Why so many people seem to think you can’t do both is bizarre to me. Makes you wonder if they’re actually arguing in good faith or not.
I sometimes wonder if the majority on Lemmy are here solely for arguments.
There’s legitimate money and special interests to sway the election. Whether that’s with bots or paying for troll farms to post propaganda
I’ve found that a lot of reddit users recently migrated to Lemmy and brought their bad faith with them. As well just generally acting like dipshits.
This is the most sane answer here - fighting one war while letting them win the other isn’t wise. Doing both and securing all the fronts is how we win.
And we certainly dont win by calling each other dipshits - unless your mission is to dismantle the left.
[image of billions of dead bodies of innocent people with dipshit 22 year olds cheering that they’ve solved everything]
This is how tankies think socialism works.
As opposed to fascism which doesn’t kill anyone and is only supported by big brain academics
“it’s only fascism when other people want to annihilate their political rivals. When I do it, it’s the lord’s work”
“Everyone should have equal rights” and “all poor and black people deserve to be shot” are the same thing!
Also nice fucking strawman. It’s pretty obvious here that my critique is against tankies who unironically think a misguided/lacking leftist is the same thing as a Nazi despite the fact that tankies themselves condone mass murder and display a pathetic lack of actual principles, all while pretending that only they have morals and everyone who isn’t a tankie is pure evil incarnate.
“See, I want to line up people and execute them for their own good! LIbErAlS want to die!”
??? I said nothing about lining up people nor liberals, even less it being for “their own good”. Nice exercise of finding a way to feel attacked, but why?
I’m not an authoritarian tankie that wants to never hear a dissenting opinion. If someone pretends like their race or nation is superior to others they deserve to be punched s’all I’m saying
I’m not an authoritarian tankie that wants to never hear a dissenting opinion
Then you would’ve had no reason to respond to any of this
This is how decades of underfunded education looks. This is not by accident.
You cant generally vote fascists out once they’ve sufficiently subverted or removed democratic processes, but they can be voted in especially if they’re the ones motivated to actually do so, their efforts to subvert those processes take a variable amount of time to complete that sometimes means they’re not totally done by the next election cycle, and even in the case of rigged/subverted elections, its not like they’ll suddenly become more fascist if people vote against them but won’t if people don’t do that.
It’s also not like voting, when possible, takes away a person’s ability to also try anything else. So, unless you have good reason to believe that a given election is actively dangerous, like that they’re only holding it to learn who would vote against them given the option or something like that, it makes sense to participate if the option exists.
Worst case, the election is meaningless and one wastes a small amount of time in trying it. Best case, you overestimated how much the process had already been subverted and the election system proves to be still functional. In neither case does casting a vote against someone that seems to be a fascist or similar make them more likely to succeed than if you’d simply stayed home.
If people voting against them did benefit fascists, they wouldn’t spend so much effort on undermining elections and voter intimidation, it would be counterproductive.
I see we are ramping up the anti voting memes up ahead of the American election, comrades.
Democrats not turning out in 2024 IS what got trump and the GOP into majority power in all branches of government. Now they wanna make sure you don’t come out so the dictatorship can finish its installation.
'Tis the season, after all. The leaves’re changing, time to prime the plebs.
Yeah, it sucked when they had to invade to get Orban out of office…
Orban was not a fascist what are you talking about
Thank you
You’re finished Adolph…
