The reality: “Nobody stops to fuel their vehicle taking gasoline, gets out, rushes as fast as possible, puts as much fuel in the car as possible, and gets back in the car and drives away,” Cutler said.
I, in fact, do exactly that. I pull up in front of the pump, get out, stick my card in, fill up, and leave. It’s been over ten years since I went inside the store at a gas station, there’s nothing in there I want to buy.
However, needing to spend half an hour recharging if I were on a road trip would be fine, because on a road trip I would stop for a break from driving in any case. But, I almost never go on road trips, and 99.9% of my trips around town would be well within one charge, which I could do at home.
So, while I agree that charging doesn’t need to be as fast as gas, it’s not because of his stated reason.
Depends…lots of places do not have card readers on the outside to promote shop sales.
So… often you definitely will have to go inside and…wait.
I’ve never encountered such a gas station. I’d probably be completely confused and just leave.
Yeah that’s a crazy out of touch thing to say. That is exactly what every person does at every gas station.
It’s been over ten years since I went inside the store at a gas station, there’s nothing in there I want to buy
Wait… you dont want a tiny chocolate bar for 7 dollars?
Excuse me, it’s a medium size chocolate bar for 6.59 if I got >10 gallons and a soda+hotdog, with membership.
I could stretch my legs for a few min, but that’s only on long trips.
Also ignores the main issue, what happens when there’s many cars and not enough chargers? It’s not inconclusive to wait for one or two people behind you for gas, that can mean 90 min total stop for EV. Ignoring that the line will be longer if more people need to charge and range is lower.
I want an ev for my next car, but I’m scared of that
Definitely.
Its ignoring that people’s use of their personal vehicle is actually for work purposes, commuting; and guess what? People don’t like to commute and try to get it down as quickly as possible.
His situation does work for people on road trips, but ignores the daily lives and routine of everybody that works for money.
Another instance of CEOs having immense privilege and literally cannot fathom or understand how normal people operate. I mean, just go stand outside a 7/11 for 30 minutes and start counting how many people go inside vs getting their gas and go.
I mean, good. Because it’s never going to be.
I dunno, we already have fast chargers that can go from 20% to 80% in 20 minutes. A full tank of gas still takes 5 to 15 minutes (big tanks).
I think it’s feasible that we could someday figure out chargers that are even faster than standard pumps, for a comparable mileage.
I mean, he’s kinda right. It just needs to charge you enough to get you where you plan to go and then you can plug in again and charge passively. Being able to have on-site charging basically anywhere the car can actually go makes it more convenient for everything except road trips, and since initial charging from low battery percentage is much more efficient, people just need to not feel the compulsive need to top off at 100%.
All those things matter:
- number of EVs on the roads
- number of private chargers
- number of public chargers
- average range
- average charging speed
- average trip distance
For EVs to work you need to have adequate combination of all of them. You can’t simply say “charging speed doesn’t matter” while ignoring range, number of EVs and distance people travel. Why do people insist on focusing only one thing at a time? First it was all about range, not it’s all about charging speeds. It’s not that simple.
Do you know battery swap ?
“And while China’s getting there, an executive in the U.S. aren’t so convinced that’s true.”
Why does this sentence bother me so much?
The reality: “Nobody stops to fuel their vehicle taking gasoline, gets out, rushes as fast as possible, puts as much fuel in the car as possible, and gets back in the car and drives away,” Cutler said.
Say what? Outside of a long road trip, that’s very much what I do every time. I haven’t been into the store at my gas station in years. I’m hardly alone, I see plenty of other people fill up and leave.
The “charging problem” is most completely addressed by doing less driving. Obviously.
Yes. Because with an EV you live at the gas station.
People need to stop thinking about EVs like cars that need to be fueled. They’re more like phones that need to be charged.
Aa a European, this thread reads like it’s 2016.
Range is not an issue, nor is public charging. Yes, we drive long distances as well, it just happens to be cross-border. Fast chargers are nice for road trips, but destination charging is fine all other 350 days a year.
Isn’t the stereotype that in Europe, 100 miles is a long distance, but in the United States, 100 years is a long time?
Wrong.
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EVs and electricity are both easier to do DIY at home than ICE and homemade ethanol (and no one even pretends home mode petrol production is remotaly feasible). The only reason EVs are seeing the subscription model harder than ICE is: a they are newer and it’s new and b. They are HARDER to lock people into bullshit. No sweetheart deal with a dealership for biannual fleasing by lube techs they are ripping off, no guarantee that in 3-5 years the rube Goldberg explosion machine and the rest of the car are going to be so shitty that a new car makes sense.
Slate, Edison, and Mutany Motors are all examples of what new world of EV could be like instead of the bull shit that ICE and oil industry and kept us in for nearly a century of enslaving humanity.
Also also, e-motos and e-bikes because not everyone needs a ton of metal to move around cities if they are built for people and not just to extract wealth from suckers.
I would like it to be as fast as gas. But, yeah, if you can walk from the charger to a restroom and maybe grab some food, I really don’t care if it take 15-30 minutes to get back up to 80%.
I currently own a Volt and usually charge at home. My last road-trip OK->IA (and back a week later), I found it hard to find compatible charging stations so much so that I barely used them. On the way back, I did go out of my way to find one – the first one had no facilities at all (it was a dealer parking lot at the corner of two 5-lane stroads with no crosswalk signals), the second one was inaccessible behind a locked gate, the third one several blocks away from any facilities but close enough to walk to one restaurant.
I still plan to get an EV when I finally have to replace the Volt, but I gotta say the charging situation away from home is pretty bleak, IME. Maybe it’s better in different parts of the country. It is almost certainly better on DC charging; I found a few convenience store / gas station / fast food combination buildings that also had DC charging that I would have used if I could. (Volt only has AC charging.)
I mean. That’s kinda the root cause of Range Anxiety.
Even if it was double the time to charge when compared to filling a petrol car. That would go a long way.
If the charge is 6x longer than filling, then there need to be 6x the charging points. Stations will need to have a much larger footprint which isn’t always possible in urban environments. Then the occupants are stuck there for 30min so there better be adequate security otherwise it’ll be ground zero for crime.
So, every parking space is going to have a charger? Because those times that I’ve been to one of these big gas stations, I don’t leave my car blocking the pump while I wander around inside looking for the restroom.
I mean yeah, that is kinda the ideal.
I mean we kinda have electricity everywhere anyway. Unless you out in the sticks or desert there are already high voltage power lines.
Exactly. If you charge (even just L2) in at least one destination in your commute (work, home), you’ll be net positive on charge. Then you only need rapid charging for long distance trips, which for the vast majority of people don’t happen very often.
