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ByteOnBikes@discuss.online to THE POLICE PROBLEM@lemmy.worldEnglish · 2 months ago

Since ICE refuses to show their badge and cops refuse to verify, welcome to the future.

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Since ICE refuses to show their badge and cops refuse to verify, welcome to the future.

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ByteOnBikes@discuss.online to THE POLICE PROBLEM@lemmy.worldEnglish · 2 months ago
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  • PunkRockSportsFan@fanaticus.social
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    So foreign terrorists could cosplay as domestic terrorists and we’d have no way of knowing which kind of terrorist they are?

    Interesting times we live in

    If they come for you, don’t worry your bags will meet you at the destination. Get on the train.

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      Well…if they’re white, domestic terrorists.

      If they’re arabic, foreign terrorists.

      It gets really fun when the blue man group join in. Then you don’t know WHATS going on!

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        First they came for the immigrants

        Then they came for the activists

        Then they came for the blue man group

        Finally America had had enough

      • 𝕱𝖎𝖗𝖊𝖜𝖎𝖙𝖈𝖍@lemmy.world
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        If they’re white, “lone wolves with mental health disorders”

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    Are the Iranian terrorist cells in the room with us right now? Why not go with the much more common example of white supremacist domestic terrorism?

    • Viking_Hippie@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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      Because media gaslighting works so well that people usually aren’t aware that they’ve been affected by counterfactual narratives before they start actively reinforcing them by repetition.

      The Google trends for this particular phrase:

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        It’s hard not to wonder if the bump back in late March or April was from the folks selling stories right now

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      Why not go with the much more common example of white supremacist

      Because that’d be preaching to the choir. Trump voters don’t care about white supremacist attacks.

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        So the solution is to reinforce their racist beliefs?

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      Sources told NBC News Iran sent a communication to President Donald Trump in the days before Saturday night’s strikes on its nuclear facilities, threatening to activate sleeper-cell terror inside the United States if it were attacked.

      https://www.nbcchicago.com/news/local/department-of-homeland-security-terrorism-bulletin-threats-us-sleeper-cells-iran/3773879/

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        I’ll have manufacturing consent for $500, Alex.

    • catty@lemmy.worldBanned
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      Will the real terrorists please stand up?

      • technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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        If you google how many people were murdered by “iranian terrorists” versus white supremacists, the result might surprise you.

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    Or why average Americans don’t just do the same and go rob a bank or convenience store … just arrest people randomly, zip tie them, take all the money and leave everyone behind.

    The best part would be the local news reporting the masked robbers looked like this and ask if anyone has spotted them

    • A_Union_of_Kobolds@lemmy.world
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      They are

      I know of at least 2 cases

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        https://newrepublic.com/post/196360/man-impersonates-ice-agent-robs-immigrant-pennsylvania

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      No body armor

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        I noticed that too, I hope they get what’s coming to them.

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    amplifying the “iranian terrorists are coming to get us” narrative hurts brown people more than it helps anything

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      You’re not wrong but the people in charge and those voting for them only seem to understand this type of rhetoric. If we don’t break their hold on power it will only get worse for Iranians (and Americans).

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    ‘This is madness! Iran could do what we do all over the world!’

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      Iran has drones, and shoots targets withoutfirst confirming if the target even is their intended target?

      I thought only the USA did that!

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        No, they don’t. They’ve been extremely reserved in target selection.

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        Please do not spread misinformation - we only make ourselves less credible when doing so.

        US and Israel do that, not Iran.

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    Yes although the recent political murders shows that you can literally just dress up as a cop and drive around in a fake police car shooting people in the head. This stuff has always been possible.

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      The difference now is that refusing to show ID used to be grounds for most people to call the real police.

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        And get shot by both

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    And here starts the planting of the idea that Iran is going to attack American soil… Media outlets including posts like this on social media are now shifting the narrative to make American’s fearful and to help shift blame and hatred onto Iran. It’s as if the much publicised ICE raids with narrative about their lack of identification was actually planned, or something. There’s like a playbook of this.

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      Yeah, our ally attacked iran without cassus belli, iran retaliated, and we bombed iran in response.

      If iran chooses to attack us in response we should br mad at our president for starting it and regardless we should demand peace and accountability

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        our ally… we… us… we… our… we…

        Fuck the nationalist “we”. Cult speak. Never ally with fascists. Never support genocide.

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_religion

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      Not just US media. The Australian news went from “What the heck is Israel doing?” to planting seeds for both the idea of a terror attack on US soil and Iranian “regime change” into public space in only four days. They all fall into line without question when the US is writing the narrative.

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    New fear just dropped. I’m not going anywhere fuck this. I mean I already avoid crowds, now I’m gonna avoid them even more

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      We don’t avoid them, but we do make a plan before we go. And, we always wear tennis shoes so we have the best chance at a speedy exit. So depressing that we have to think of these things.

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    There’s no reason everyone that protests shouldn’t be dressed exactly like ice.

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      As long as they’re not wearing any badges or police insignia, this is the way.

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    Fuck this imperial terrorism propaganda. USA is the actual terror regime. Get a clue, libs.

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      Why would you direct this at libs when the right are the ones going batshit crazy?

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        Leftists do not like libs. Many leftists believe that liberals contribute to setting up the breeding ground that fascists rise from. Many leftists believe that liberals partake in a system that even allows for fascism to rise.

        I do not care to explain further. Research can be done, or perhaps someone else with a bit more energy than I right now can jump in :)

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          deleted by creator

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        Some people want to place blame to absolve themselves of any responsibility they may have.

        “Not my circus, not my monkeys. Not my problem, just the countries.”

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        https://philadelphiaycl.substack.com/p/what-people-mean-when-they-say-liberalism

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        Liberals haven’t lost their minds and can be talked to obviously.

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      Far Right wing (Republicans) literally having full control of everything

      Blames only the libs

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        Internationally, most people mean the pro-corporate anti-regulation right when they say liberals. It’s exclusively a U.S. thing afaik to equate liberalism with anything left of center, which causes a lot of confusion.

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          That doesn’t change what I said. There’s fascism in power now in the USA, not liberals anymore. That’s why I specified far right rather than standard right.

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      How about both

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    Pretty sure I know what the top Halloween costume will be this year!

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    Removed by mod

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    Iceis

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    I like the concept of planting this idea in people’s minds, but then (even more) innocents will die.

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    Krasnov and his fucking thugs set the precedence.

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    99.9999% of police brutality, corruption, and misconduct is never investigated, never punished, never makes the news, so it’s not on this page.

    When cops are caught breaking the law, they’re investigated by other cops. Details are kept quiet, the officers’ names are withheld from public knowledge, and what info is eventually released is only what police choose to release — often nothing at all.

    When police are fired — which is all too rare — they leave with ‘law enforcement experience’ and can easily find work in another police department nearby. It’s called “Wandering Cops.”

    When police testify under oath, they lie so frequently that cops themselves have a joking term for it: “testilying.” Yet it’s almost unheard of for police to be punished or prosecuted for perjury.

    Cops can and do get away with lawlessness, because cops protect other cops. If they don’t, they aren’t cops for long.

    The legal doctrine of “qualified immunity” renders police officers invulnerable to lawsuits for almost anything they do. In practice, getting past ‘qualified immunity’ is so unlikely, it makes headlines when it happens.

    All this is a path to a police state.

    In a free society, police must always be under serious and skeptical public oversight, with non-cops and non-cronies in charge, issuing genuine punishment when warranted.

    Police who break the law must be prosecuted like anyone else, promptly fired if guilty, and barred from ever working in law-enforcement again.

    That’s the solution.

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