• destructdisc@lemmy.worldOP
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      4 days ago

      rage against babies

      That’s what you got out of this? That she’s raging against babies and not against a system that forces women to give birth but does nothing to support mothers or their children afterwards?

      ETA: oh wait you’re that same fucking pronatalist cockthistle that’s been crawling all over this post. Hail Satan, and have a lovely afternoon.

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        I’ve no idea what he commented, but raging against the system while reasonable by itself might or might not be related to this particular story.

        We only know that a woman died and in the wake of that a baby had no one to take care of them for a few days, which is tragic but doesn’t mean that particular woman was forced to have a baby she didn’t want or didn’t have the level of support that one would have expected her to need, we just don’t have details.

        So one totally hypothetical narrative that also fits the information as given:

        • Woman had been trying to have a child with a committed man
        • Everything seems fine, but unfortunately the man had to go on a business trip for a few days, leaving her to take care of the baby herself for a few days
        • She tragically trips on the edge of a rug and hits her head just wrong on a counter corner, a death no one could have reasonably seen coming.

        You can of course have a narrative more consistent with the complaint about lack of support:

        • Woman is sexually assaulted and pregnant
        • While abortion was legal for her, she decided she would not do it
        • Some mix of unrecognized post partum depression, stress at having no money to help take care of the child, what have you caused her to kill herself

        Or the mother had some medical condition that was undiagnosed due to lack of money to attend.

        All of the stories are possible, and real examples of the supporting scenarios can be readily found, but we can’t assume this specific incident is part of that narrative with details as scant as this. Assuming unspecified facts to fit a narrative can lead to a credibility issue if subsequent details show that none of those actually applied in this situation.

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            4 days ago

            You understand this is in the context of the woman dying in Phoenix, Arizona?

            You have been implying that she was or could have been forced to give birth.

            Given the age of the child the constitutional amendment had already been passed, meaning you have made misleading statements.