How about we ban school uniforms instead? That seems much more attainable.
At least have uniforms that are not as sexualized. Why is it official policy that girls must wear skirts anyway?
Yeah we should increase costs for parents, its about time they had less spending money!
And on top of that, I want my kids focused on fashion and not education. I want them worried that their clothes are not stylish enough when in class, or bullied for their personal style.
Personally for me I begged my mom to take me out of catholic school and put me into public school, and one or the best parts was not having to put up with uniforms.
I’m not sure what part of the world you’re in, but in the US school uniforms cost more than regular children’s clothes. And I still needed regular clothes, so my mom had to basically buy a second wardrobe for me just to go to Catholic school.
My first job out of college was processing expense reports for a corporate relocation management company. Basically, global corporations want to move their employees around the world, and offer benefits to those employees and their families to cover extra costs they will experience and to incentivize them to take those jobs. Part of that included education Costa for their children to go to international schools, many of which required uniforms, and I can tell you those reimbursements got to be crazy expensive.
I dont think there is any aspect of life americans wont find a way to make excessively costly. My kids uniform, spare and alt stuff all in was €40.
Yeah because outside of school everyone walks around naked.
Exactly what I said well done. Or is it iseful for parents to separate out the unis deal with them and have the kids wear what they please after school.
I have never ever seen someone get bullied for their clothes fashion or choices, also if bullying is that common of a mistake maybe parents should teach their children how to behave.
Unfortunately, the parents of bullies are often bullies themselves.
Yeah absolutely they should. Its just kids having something to say mostly but why create an avenue for it to become an issue. Let uniforms exist, remove the whole piece around fashion and let them build a community. Let them focus on education.
If parents can only afford 40 currencies in clothes, I’m failing to understand how it being a uniform or some other clothes makes a difference.
You think kids aren’t getting bullied anymore because they all wear the same clothes? Magically bullying is fixed when their outfits are the same?
You want to discourage or prohibit children learning to accept themselves and develop independence and individuality?
You think indoctrination is ‘building community’?
I didn’t say any of that.
If parents cant afford a uniform we here in the civilised world provide them free of charge. But it generally isnt the case that parents here cant spare forty a year for uniforms.
I didn’t mention fixing bullying through any means, I removed an opportunity for it to occur. No magic involved.
No I dont, those are essential to growing up. As are building communities, understanding you are part of one, finding commonalities with new people and new groups.
Uniforms put kids on an equal footing within the school. Standards are important.
This is satire, right? Like, you’re obviously being sarcastic, yes?
Yeah clearly, uniforms are a necessary point of contention
It’s much more common for British school children to want rid of school uniforms than it is for schoolchildren in the huge part of the world without them to want to be required to wear them. Clothing-based bullying is overblown as a hypothetical problem. Also, uniforms are the more expensive option for patents as they need to get their children regular clothes whether or not they need to also get them uniform. There’s also some evidence that places with school uniform produce adults much more likely to buy branded clothes, so if there’s a genuine causal link there, uniforms end up the more expensive option for adults, too.
My kids full unforms cost €40 and the first thing some prick kid did on a no uniform day was mock a child for having an old jersey.
I’ve literally never seen school uniforms that don’t need to be purchased by the individual
Yeah it cost us €40 for the year. They come home after their school and change, its either okay for the next day or they swap it for the clean one. Shorts and spare shirts included.
Are we all going to pretend like there isnt cliques, like kids cant be mean, like there are not social pressures added to children once they leave their fsmily unit for school
So the cost was already on the parents, is my point.
That being said, a uniform doesn’t prevent any of what you’re talking about. If a kid comes from a poor family and has a uniform, they’re still going to be picked on for being poor. If not for being poor, then for some other reason. You can’t protect children from everything and there’s a solid argument to be made that trying to stunts their growth.
40£ is pennies compared to what most parents spend on clothes for kids to wear to school.
Great, what I’m reading says that parents spend on average over 400£ per year for kids in secondary school and over 300£ per year for kids in primary school (on uniforms, which means they’re undoubtedly spending more on clothes outside of that because no kid wants to wear a uniform outside of school). Where are these numbers coming from? Who knows! None of what I’ve said has changed significantly.
Yeah it amount to about 1.5 local currency a week over the school year. If it cant be afforded, which it absolutely can be by almost anyone, it is supported by the state.
It does prevent it, it puts them on an equal footing visually and from the start. Kids are only going to see that they all have the same outfits. They cant compare phones, lunches are provided. I would hope that by the time such biases come out the kids have formed a safety net and social circle.
Good luck with that. It’s enough of a struggle to get people to stop putting actual kids in porn, and the entire concept of stepsiblings is ruined. They say only death and taxes are certain, but everything getting sexualised has to be up there.
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Holy fuck these comments are something else.
The article specifically talks about a group of teenage students wanting to ban their school uniforms because they have been sexually harassed by other people while wearing said uniforms.
Literally nobody is trying to ban what goes on between two consenting adults. This is all about teenage students not wanting to be sexualized over wearing a school uniform.
I just don’t understand what exactly it is that the government could do. It would result in them have to define a school uniform and since there isn’t a standardized uniform across all schools in the UK that would become quite difficult.
Right now? The govt hasn’t done anything. Only two Parliament members so far have expressed support for their petition, and I suspect that’s only because this is gaining public attention.
Since nobody has read the article, here are the relevant points:
Aylin and Mae, both age 15, are members of their school’s Little Feminist Book Club in Bicester, Oxfordshire, England.
During a group discussion, the club learned that teenagers at other schools were trying to have the sale of school uniforms banned in sex shops.
Schoolgirl costumes are also widely used in pornographic videos.
“All of us unanimously agreed. We wanted to take it a step further; we wanted to ban school uniform from all pornography,” Aylin told DW. As a result, they started a petition to raise awareness of the issue.
Many of their fellow students, as the petition states, have already had unpleasant experiences while wearing their uniforms. Some reported being harassed as early as the age of 11. Many of these experiences had left them feeling frightened, ashamed and insecure. **“I don’t wear my school uniform outside of school,” said Mae. “I don’t like wearing it out.” **
In their petition, the girls also refer to a 2018 report by the charity Plan International. According to a survey in the report, 35% of the 1,004 respondents aged 14 to 21 had experienced unwanted sexual attention while wearing a school uniform. Eight percent said they had been filmed or photographed by a stranger without their permission, or that someone had taken a photo under their school skirt, known as “upskirting.”
In the United Kingdom, uniforms are mandatory at almost all schools and preschools, which means essentially all children between the ages of 4 to 16 wear them.
Outside school, children have no way to escape unwanted attention.
Until that happens, they still have a long way to go, but the girls are optimistic. As of October 5, 2026, the petition has garnered more than 24,000 signatures. Thanks to an article in the English newspaper The Times, it’s also gotten plenty of attention.
Now, Mae and Aylin hope to get parliament to debate the issue. Two Members of Parliament have already voiced their support.
But the girls also know some people believe longer skirts are the solution. “I believe that’s wrong,” explains Aylin. “We shouldn’t blame the victims. We should blame those who think it is acceptable to sexualize them.”
These are smart kids. The dismissive comments here regarding their opinions and personal experiences with a blanket “just trying to ban porn” statement is a gross overreaction and shifting the blame onto the victims.
The comments and not dismissive you’re just misinterpreting them.
The discussion is about how the government approaches this. An outright band would be ridiculously unworkable, if you want any effective law you have to define it and this is the very definition of a blanket ban. The government in this country have a history of not thinking things through and implementing blanket laws that don’t work, don’t actually solve the problem that they are supposed to solve, and make criminals out of innocent people.
Look at the incredibly ill thought out draconian and completely ineffective ID laws they’ve implemented. Anyone with half a brain can work around those. And now rather than accept that the law is stupid they’ve started talking about banning VPNs because apparently the solution to every problem is more restriction. None of this would be a problem if MPs had more than six brain cells.
The issue with people harassing underage girls, the solution is not a pornography ban.
The first step is calling attention to it, which is exactly what these kids are doing. That’s how conversations about this have to start.
To the point about govt overreach, I don’t disagree - but again, only two MPs have even acknowledged this at all.
The fact that a not-insignificant amount of commenters are immediately jumping to “They’re taking my kink material!!” while barely even acknowledging the kids is very concerning.
You underestimate the government’s ability to overstep bounds, and fuck up things for everyone.
I would get rid of school uniforms.
Yea that surely will keep the children safe…
Read the article. It’s specifically the MINOR female students who are behind this, since they are the ones being sexually harassed over a uniform they had no choice in.
“Sex is Free”
Guilt and shame has been sucessfully leverage by the patriarchy for far too long.
Teach what real consent is and the entire scheme crumbles.
Based
The complicated part will be defining what a school uniform is. “Skirt and blouse” would be a bit of an overreach, so where would be the line?
These poor wardrobe department workers on porn sets. Are their lives not difficult enough?
The UK, Japan, Ireland, New Zealand, and Australia are basically the only countries in the developed world that use school uniforms.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Developed_country
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/School_uniforms_by_country
Maybe just drop the uniforms, so that there isn’t an outfit nationally-associated with “young female”?
There are many positives to uniforms. But requiring girls to wear skirts and not allowing them to wear trousers as a red flag that should be addressed.
There are many positives to uniforms.
No, there aren’t.
Sounds like you’ve really looked into it!
In the Aussie summer boys would probably be happy with skirts if those issues were addressed (sweaty balls suck).
I can imagine. The keys here are consent and choice.
Yeah, my school uniforms were unisex khakis and a polo shirt. I’m not saying nobody could sexualize that, but it certainly left me with a moment of confusion every time I hear someone sexualize catholic schoolgirl uniforms.
Since enforcing conformity on children is something that always gives authoritarians a big old woody, there are absolutely plenty of schools here in the US that also mandate uniforms. Mainly they’re private and religious schools, but some of our public schools do, too. And many others have dress codes so strict they basically just amount to a uniform anyway.
Before Japanese culture and media was mass exported to the West as it is today, the uniform nationally associated with young girls here was the Catholic schoolgirl uniform. And its appearance in pornography was just as incessant.
While I don’t disagree in principal, yeah, good luck with that.
Yeah, they will have a really hard time getting school uniforms banned from pornography
Why are you in the principal?
OH MT GOD YOURE ONE OF THOSE PORNO FREAKS WEARING THE SCHOOL UNIFORMS AREN’T YOU
Spelling matters.
Not for puns.
You got me. I fixed it ;-). That’s one of those ones I have to think about before putting it in a sentence, which I didn’t do there.
I swear to god gen Z are closet puritans. Everything is about sex and shame with them, they won’t even fuck.
The article says these girls are 15yo, so not Gen Z but Gen Alpha. But I kinda agree. While I have massive respect for how involved in activism the youth are, I’ve seen a sharp turn towards the puritan side, the age of ‘sex, drugs and rock and roll’ is over. The sexuality that once was liberating and empowering is now objectifying, but that swinging is always how society moves forward.
Once again, Demolition Man was right.
It’s the right wing misinformation that pulls them into extremism and puritan thinking. Manosphere for the boys, tradwife for the girls. It’s incredibly effective.
I don’t think it’s even that, this is a generation where without concent their lives have been recorded online since before they were even born (parents posting baby names or gender hopes on facebook, etc). They are forced by social and economic pressures to merge their online life with real life, and are constantly monitored attacked by adults and other students for literally anything. Being a dumb edgelord on facebook when you’re 12 can now lose you future college or job opportunities. I think the whole generation has panopticon PTSD where the only way to ensure your archived past wont haunt you is to avoid anything perceived as cringe or controversial, and in turn enforce those rigid social norms on others.
Interesting point
As about as your icon.
I think you’re on to something. Probably not a coincidence that the increase in prudishness has coincided with the decline of anonymity.
I hate it.
I’m more aware of the fucked up and abusive manosphere.
Is “tradwife” actually a thing?
I mean, if literally EVERYONE was a tradwife, would it be a bad thing?I think if everyone was in the manosphere we would be fucked.
It’s not bad on a surface level, but they use that in with people to push strict gender roles and puritan beliefs regarding sex. I’m technically a trad wife, somehow I don’t think they’d see my perspective as cohesive with their ideology.
We taught them this, didn’t we… 😬
I’m shocked they haven’t just outright banned porn yet
Uniforms are good because it stops the whole “fashion clique” bullshit. Or at least MASIVELY curbs it.
And I say that as someone that has spent time in the US public/free/commoner schools AND the UK public/free/commoner schools.School uniforms are a good thing.
But “girls wear dresses” is the strange thing. It should be “dresses, shorts or trousers” with generic specifications for these (so no hot pants or yoga pants kinda idea). Same for the shirts, shoes, socks, tie.
And school uniforms are obviously an underage thing. There might be 18 year olds still in high/secondary school, but that is a FRACTION compared to the underage people that have to wear school uniforms.
I’m for the ban. It makes sense.
Very interesting topic. Very astute observation, amazing organisation, and a fantastic debate to have.
I think some sort of middle ground has to be reached. Define what the UK school uniform actually is (and make it open and accepting, review it often). And ban the whole “schoolgirl skirt” aesthetic in porn (black shoes, white/black socks, grey/black skirt, white collared shirt).I don’t think governments have anything between illegal and legal. So they have to make it illegal and decide/hint/inform/decree/whatever how much it is pursued and prosecuted… which is how they greyscale it.
There IS a “schoolgirl aesthetic”. You know it when you see it.
“School disco” is a common theme night at student clubs.What an interesting debate.
I’m all for it: “school uniform” is primarily an underage thing.
The current youth has raised this as a national (international?) debate, and they should be rewarded.
I have no issues with this kind of porn being illegal, it will still be accessible for those that want/need it (everything is always accessible on the internet).The US has public, home-schooling and private schools. There are no “commoners” in the US.
