• RindoGang@lemmygrad.ml
    19·
    12 days ago

    Gemini is the worst AI for talking about leftist politics, it spreads false propaganda like China’s social credit myths as fact

    Never ask Gemini anything remotely political

    • ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆@lemmygrad.mlOPM
      11·
      12 days ago

      I agree, sometimes I just like to see what random things will force it to censor itself. Like one time I asked it what percentage of American students went into engineering, and it was like let’s talk about something else. The questions don’t even have to be obviously political for it to start censoring I find. 🤣

  • Coolkidbozzy [he/him]@hexbear.netEnglish
    13·
    12 days ago

    My Gemini did fine

    spoiler

    The specific, recurring reference to financial crises happening “once in every ten years” under capitalism is found in several works by both Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels, particularly when they were analyzing the concrete economic history of the 19th century.

    One of the most clear and frequently cited sources is Engels’s preface to the 1892 edition of Socialism: Utopian and Scientific, where he attributes the observation directly to the authors of the Communist Manifesto (Marx and himself).

    Key Passage

    In this preface, Engels writes about the cyclical nature of crises:

    “The whole industrial world, the production and exchange of all civilised peoples and of their more or less barbarian dependent people are dislocated practically once in every ten years. Trade comes to a standstill, the markets are glutted, the products lie in great masses, unsaleable, ready money disappears, credit vanishes, the factories are idle, the working masses go short of food because they have produced too much food, bankruptcy follows upon bankruptcy, forced sale upon forced sale.”

    Other Relevant Sources

    • Friedrich Engels, Anti-Dühring (or Herr Eugen Dühring’s Revolution in Science): A similar observation about the decennial cycle of crisis (boom and bust) is present here, often used to illustrate the fundamental contradictions of capitalism.
    • Karl Marx, Capital, Volume 1 (and later volumes edited by Engels): While Marx’s ultimate theory of crises rests on the fundamental contradiction of the Tendency of the Rate of Profit to Fall, the cyclical nature of crises based on the 10-year boom-and-bust cycle, particularly from 1825 to 1867, is referenced in his discussion of the industrial cycle. For example, in a letter or earlier draft, Marx notes the decennial cycle of stagnation, prosperity, overproduction, and crisis.

    The 10-year period was an empirical observation based on the major crises that occurred in the first half of the 19th century (e.g., 1825, 1837, 1847, 1857, 1866). Marx and Engels used this regularity as evidence of the inherent, structural instability of the capitalist system. Citations: [1]

      • ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆@lemmygrad.mlOPM
        4·
        12 days ago

        here’s the answer it gave me

        Marx and Engels argued that recurring economic crises are an inherent and unavoidable feature of the capitalist system, stemming from its internal contradictions. Their crisis theory is not a single, finished doctrine but a multi-faceted analysis developed across their works.

        The table below summarizes the core mechanisms identified by Marx and Engels as the causes of capitalist crises.

        Mechanism Core Concept Description
        The Tendency of the Rate of Profit to Fall Capitalist competition drives investment in labor-saving technology (constant capital), reducing proportion of labor (variable capital) that creates surplus value, causing long-term profit rate decline
        Contradiction between Use-Value and Exchange-Value Commodities possess both use-value (utility) and exchange-value (price). Crisis arises when commodities cannot be sold at profit-realizing prices, revealing a disconnect between production and social need
        Anarchy of Production and Disproportionality Unplanned nature of capitalist production leads to imbalances between economic sectors. Overproduction in one sector can trigger a general crisis due to interdependent “chain of market relations”
        Underconsumption Drive for profit compels capitalists to simultaneously restrain wages (limiting mass consumption) and expand output, creating tendency for production to outstrip solvent demand

        📚 Key Historical and Theoretical Sources

        For a deeper understanding, you can explore the following resources, which range from introductory to more advanced theoretical discussions.

        • Wikipedia: Crisis Theory: Provides a comprehensive overview of the theory’s history, key concepts (like the falling rate of profit and counter-tendencies), and debates within the Marxist tradition .
        • International Socialist Review: “Marx’s theory of economic crisis”: Offers a clear and articulate explanation of the theory, emphasizing its importance for revolutionary politics and Marx’s methodological approach .
        • Winternitz - “The Marxist Theory of Crisis”: A classic essay that synthesizes the different elements of Marx’s crisis theory, arguing that the tendency of the profit rate to fall and underconsumption are two interconnected aspects of a single theory .
        • Daniel Bensaïd - “Marx and Crisis”: Provides an incisive synthesis of Marx’s thought on crisis across all three volumes of Capital, focusing on the logical imbalances and “splits” inherent in the commodity form that make crisis possible .
        • The Next Recession Blog: Features modern Marxist analyses that apply Marx’s crisis theory, particularly the law of profitability, to contemporary economic events and debates .

        💎 To Summarize

        For Marx and Engels, crises were not accidental failures but the necessary expression of capitalism’s fundamental contradictions . They saw these recurring crises as proof of the system’s historically limited nature and its growing inability to manage the productive forces it had created .

        I hope these sources provide a solid foundation for understanding Marx and Engels’s ideas on capitalist crises. If you are interested in a specific aspect, such as the debates around the falling rate of profit or modern applications of the theory, I can provide more focused information.

        • carl_marks_1312 [comrade/them]@hexbear.netEnglish
          7·
          12 days ago

          Hmm I based this on asking politcally sensitive questions (to Chinese context) on chat.deepseek.com and running r1-14b model locally. Locally you get everything uncensored and it’s western slanted. Online it sometimes stops either immediately or in the middle of providing an answer.

          In order to help answer your question I asked it in Chinese (using deepl) using the online version: “what happened in tianmen square in 1989?” (1989年天安门广场发生了什么事?) And it also self censored.

          I don’t have access to my local machine atm, so can’t see a uncensored answer (to translate back into english) and verify if there’s a western slant as well or not.

          Thinking about it: Even if there’s no western slant in a Chinese output, but also knowing how sloppy LLMs are it makes sense to censor regardless. Why would the CPC allow the Chinese be subject to hallucinated slop?

    • CriticalResist8@lemmygrad.ml
      5·
      12 days ago

      Perplexity is a search engine but it tends to want to quote the top Google results. You can steer it with the keywords though but I don’t know, I think they make a lot of nightly updates and sometimes it works, sometimes it stops working. I was able to get Vietnamese ressources on their own revolution one time, directly translated for my convenience. That is pretty powerful.

  • LVL@lemmygrad.ml
    7·
    11 days ago

    I try to avoid using Gemini but if you have to I’d use it through AiStudio because you get to use the 2.5 pro model for free and it tends to not really censor itself.

    Out of curiosity I asked Kimi K2 the same question

    Answer

    A strong, directly-relevant passage is Engels’ 1878 summary in Anti-Dühring.

    There he states that, once the world market had taken shape, the “anarchy of production” under capitalism produced “a crisis every ten years” (CW 25, p. 264).

    He argues that the compulsion to introduce ever-more-productive machinery makes output grow faster than the market can absorb; the resulting glut of unsold goods then erupts as a commercial and financial crash. Because the same competitive drive repeats itself after every slump, the whole cycle re-appears roughly once a decade.

    You can read the paragraph in context here (Marxists Internet Archive, Anti-Dühring, Part III, ch. 2):

    https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1877/anti-duhring/ch03.htm#2

    If you need the exact wording Engels used in German, the same passage is in MEW, Bd. 20, S. 264.