• Pieplup (They/Them)@lemmygrad.ml
    281·
    11 days ago

    from what i read it’s more like martin luther knig was a centrist on the topic. It’s just there’s a lot of literal fake quotes and out of context snippets that are passed around by pro-zionists. He also seems rather uneducated on the topic of israel. His position seems more like we should have peace an equaul rights and allow jews to be in israel than a zionist persay.

    I don’t really get the point of talking aoubt martin luther king’s takes on zionism. This was 80 years ago. He’s an american civil rights leader not a israeli political analyist. Here’s an article about some of the misinformation spread about the topic.

    • 201dberg@lemmygrad.ml
      14·
      10 days ago

      Yeah, I’m general this feels like a pretty bad faith post. A bad take on Zionism by someone close to a century ago? And I’m supposed to what, demonize this man that fought for equal rights, not just racially but for the working class, to the point he got assassinated for it?

      A good person can have a bad take. It doesn’t make them not a good person. It makes them human.

      • Pieplup (They/Them)@lemmygrad.ml
        61·
        10 days ago

        It’s also just not really true. If you look inot what he actually says it more paints a picture of someone who isn’t very educated on zionism wanting peace in the middle east and equality for all. which isnt’ what zionism is. There seems to be a dedicated effort to try to twist the truth and even outright lie about what martin luther king believed about zionism. But no it was pretty milquetoast centrist take on israel/palestine. Which is definitely still a bad take, especially considering some of his peers like malcom x were very vocally opposed to israel. But it’s not zionism.

    • amemorablename@lemmygrad.ml
      8·
      11 days ago

      Thanks for the source on it.

      “People gotta be careful with quotes on the internet. They can lead to manufactured division and as I have always said, a house divided against itself will… uh, what was it? Be a fraction of its former self. Yeah… yeah, totally, that was it.” - Abraham Lincoln

    • haui@lemmygrad.ml
      6·
      11 days ago

      Btw I think we talk to friendly and neutral about christianity and christians. In german there are at least ways to subtly denounce christians as “evangelicals”. Its always funny if I catch it off topic because it slips detection easily.

      Calling them creationis might do something but an actual native speaker might have better words for it than I do.

        • haui@lemmygrad.ml
          2·
          10 days ago

          I mean, sure. Thats one way to describe it but my point is more focused on decidedly christians because they’re the dominant religion and insufferable on average.

          • Pieplup (They/Them)@lemmygrad.ml
            3·
            10 days ago

            technically they are called chirstian fundementalists. but in america if you say fundemnetalists people will know you are talking about christian fundemnetalists. Maybe in other parts of the world it wouldn’t be as heavily implied when you say fundmentalist, as religious fundementalism is not exclusive to christians. Funnily enough, fundmentalist is often used as a standin for biblicial literalist. That is the techincal term for people who are young earth creationists, atleast generally speaking they are almost always biblical literalists. This could be very dependent on culture though. Biblicial literalism isn’t a very common term among lay people though.

            Practically speaking though it’s all semantics.

            • haui@lemmygrad.ml
              2·
              10 days ago

              Thats very interestinf! Thanks. My own bias is showing because in german media, fundamentalists is actually used to discredit muslims mostly. I fucking hate this country. Some of us use the shortened/euphemised version “fundis” (spoken: fondees) to describe christian fundamentalists but it isnt widely known.

  • ghost_of_faso3@lemmygrad.mlEnglish
    51·
    10 days ago

    Like a lot of African Americans he found the concept of Zion appealing as he himself was removed from his ancestral land, on top of that the contradictions where not as apparent in his lifetime as Gaza still retained more independence and had control of more land. I doubt he would support it in its modern iteration.