US army secretary briefs ambassadors at ‘nightmare meeting’ in Kyiv on Friday after talks with Ukrainian leader

US officials have told Nato allies they expect to push president Volodymyr Zelenskyy into agreeing to a peace deal in the coming days, under the threat that if Kyiv does not sign, it will face a much worse deal in future.

The US army secretary, Dan Driscoll, briefed ambassadors from Nato nations at a meeting in Kyiv late on Friday, after talks with Zelenskyy and taking a phone call from the White House. “No deal is perfect, but it must be done sooner rather than later,” he told them, according to one person who was present.

The mood in the room was sombre, with several European ambassadors questioning the content of the deal and the way in which the US had conducted the negotiations with Russia without keeping allies informed.

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    A deal with Russia isn’t worth the paper it’s written on.

    This war is only even possible because they’ve already violated an agreement they had with Ukraine. It would be insane for Ukraine to agree to a different deal for safety when they already did that and got back stabbed.

    Meanwhile Europe will push Ukraine not to sign the deal (not that much persuasion will be necessary) because Europe doesn’t want to set the precedent that Russia can just eat away at Europe.

    As for the threat from the US that Ukraine will get a worse deal if they don’t sign, given how crap the current deal is, I can’t see how it could reasonably get any worse, unless it’s total surrender, but that won’t fly because there would be literally no point even considering that. The Trump administration really are useless at negotiating, they think they can strong arm Ukraine, but they don’t actually have any cards.

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    Ukraine will face worse in the future if they take the deal. Nations which went down fighting rose again, but those which tamely surrendered were finished.

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      Russia probably won’t be finished but you can still punch a bully in the mouth.

      Nuke this, nuke that, if my country actually held true to the Budapest Memorandum none of this would have happened. We already bailed on Ukraine once.

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    I literally have no horse in this race, but I still feel sick to my stomach thinking “please don’t cave in to this asshole and completely waste that many lives and years for nothing

    This is a make or break moment when Europe has to tell America to fuck off or it’ll be absolutely heartbreaking.

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    russia is losing bad, so putin pressures krasnov to force ukraine into an unfavorable deal or he will release some of the epstein files, or redirect his troll farms to attack krasnov.

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      While I’m not at all unfriendly towards anti-Russia propaganda… are they really?

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        The press around the Alaska meeting was interesting. I remember it being reported that Trump team appearing to look visibly shocked as they left the behind closed doors meeting. That it ended early, etc I wonder what was said…

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        In terms of land occupied, Russia has gained maybe an additional 1% of Ukraine in the past year of very bloody fighting. The strategic situation is harder to read, but Ukraine has definitely damaged Russia’s ability to earn money from its main export (fossil fuel) and has also done a lot to complicate Russia’s ability to supply its troops and to maintain its occupation of Crimea. In addition, other developments have made Russia’s enclave in Kaliningrad more vulnerable, which means it has less use as a base in the Baltics, and required more money to be spent to supply and guard it.

        On hte other side, Ukraine is in pretty rough shape too. But for Russia, it’s a war of choice, whereas for Ukraine, it’s a more existential matter.

        So I’ll leave it to experienced analysts to decide who’s worse off. At very least, Russia has not turned the corner and the war remains at an impasse for now.

        So it’s like a knife fight: the loser is whoever bleeds to death first.

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    You can literally replace “US” with “Russia” in this title and it would still make perfect sense.

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    America is such a pathetically weak country led by compromised pedophiles.

    Americans can kindly go fuck off under a rock in the ocean.

    Cowardly cunts, then entire fucking lot of you. Enjoy your new control under Russia pussies.

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    translation: “he’s going to release the video of me blowing bubba… you gotta sign this

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    I am not for Russia or Israel but why do we get Israel well its their land and Russia doesn’t.