• darkernations@lemmygrad.ml
      24·
      16 days ago

      what are those american characteristics?

      ^This. If there was a question that encapsulates everything wrong with the ACP it would be this.

    • Malkhodr @lemmygrad.ml
      41·
      15 days ago

      If we wanted to have Socialism with American Characteristics, I’d argue it would mainly involve A concerted effort to decolonize the US.

      Something along the lines of.

      • Redistributing land back to the Native People’s.
      • Reparations for Black Americans through the acquisition of assets which extracted super profits with black labor.
      • The recognition of all undocumented people and acquisition of assets which extracts super profits from them.
      • The complete restructing/dismantling of the US military apparatus which maintains global capitlist hedgomony.

      Those are the first thing that come to mind, but I doubt the ACP chuds would agree with any of these points besides maybe the last to a certain extent. Frankly I’m kinda sick of people, especially “leftists” treating decolonization of the US as if it’s an issue impossible to address. It will take a concerted effort but I do believe that it’s possible to begin reversing the colonial nature of the US. Not instantly obviously, but still in a relatively rapid manner if there’s a genuine revolutionary project behind it.

  • Johnny_Arson [they/them]@hexbear.netEnglish
    39·
    16 days ago

    The fact they refer to people as “anti-ACP grifters” is very very funny to me.

    The entire “organization” is nothing but grifters and feds lol.

  • CriticalResist8@lemmygrad.ml
    31·
    16 days ago

    saying “the prole.wiki guy” shows they don’t engage with detractors whatsoever. They don’t even read their own theory so don’t expect them to read anyone else.

    Once you realize most of them are 14 it all falls into place.

      • CriticalResist8@lemmygrad.ml
        16·
        16 days ago

        Lol some of them might be 16!

        I mostly see them on twitter and you certainly have some adults, in the chapters, but if you look at the pictures it’s mostly 5 or 6 people per chapter. It’s always the same people in the pictures, yet judging from their online presence you’d think ACP is everywhere. I can only assume most of them only like patsocism for the aesthetics or are too young to actually join.

        • Alaskaball [comrade/them, any]@hexbear.netEnglish
          13·
          16 days ago

          I haven’t bothered to keep track of anything they or any of their regional book clubs have done lately beyond the rare occasion the most suspicious elements of their leadership pop up on my radar, and a few personal people of interest that run in their circles that once in a blue moon also pop up on my radar. Last time I really gave a shit was around the time one of their california members that was a part of their international department who kept in contact with terrorist, separatist, and fascist groups around the world got raided by the feds for exactly that reason. That one gave me a good laugh and I moved back to doing my own work.

    • darkernations@lemmygrad.ml
      13·
      16 days ago

      If one has tips on developing that mental thick skin then please let us know. It’s one thing to pontificate, it is another dealing with the onslaught. zoidberg salute 2

      • CriticalResist8@lemmygrad.ml
        18·
        16 days ago

        Honestly once you start seeing them as edgy kids it just makes detaching from it come naturally. They don’t affect me whatsoever. You think starbucks baristas are not workers? That’s great buddy you’re 14 come back to me when you’ve had your first work experience. You think Marx was a patsoc because your discord server said so? That’s great son but you’re 14, you were assigned Sherlock Holmes for English class go read that first to develop some critical reading skills.

        Kind of scummy of haz and co to use the free labor of children to do their dirty online work for them.

        Forcing them to defend their point and counter-trolling them in the way they troll you also gets them to shut up pretty quickly. Beyond the pre-chewed arguments they get fed on their discords they have nothing, they will bail and try to get their patsoc friends to jump in for them.

        I once told one of them he was a paypig for the ACP since haz and co never took base members with them on these photo trips and he quickly stopped replying after that. I can only hope he started thinking about how he was being taken advantage of but who knows. I once told that guy noah or whatever from midwestern marx “no idea who you are or why you feel included in his conversation” lmao. he seems like a huge tool that desperately wants recognition and fame. But to be honest while that was funny, i saw someone in that discussion actually engaging him in theory and forcing him to explain his own assertions and he quickly dipped as he ran out of ways to do his faux “hello friendo!” shtick, so that was much more productive. Noah krachvik is not his real name btw and he keeps lying about where he lives not for any opsec but because he wants to look like a salt-of-the-earth prole.

        Their techniques are nothing new, I guess it works on the internet. Facsists do it too, it’s the dodge pivot retort. Dodge the argument brought up to you, pivot to another, and retort with your own new argument to move the conversation. When people do that if you counter by preventing them from switching topics they will not know what to say anymore. Otherwise they would not be trying to shift the discussion. Attack your enemy where he is weak, force him to fight on your conditions.

  • Sanya@lemmygrad.ml
    31·
    16 days ago

    «Baseless statements like “they want to genocide the homeless”»

    Geez, I wonder why.

    • Lussy [he/him, des/pair]@hexbear.netEnglish
      20·
      16 days ago

      The homeless in America are like what landlords were in Mao’s time.

      And the bourgeoisie now is like the peasantry in Mao’s time 😞

      Brain melt only the CIA could come up with

    • darkernations@lemmygrad.ml
      17·
      16 days ago

      It honestly looks like parody because how bad it is (and then it gets sad real fast when you realise this is for real)

      • Sanya@lemmygrad.ml
        8·
        16 days ago

        It does look like that, but the ACP already showed that it’s a grift meant to get money rather than to help the working class (There was a clip of Haz where he says that they will be taxing the self-sustaining chapters because they helped the people “get together” or something along those lines, and that ethical landlords can join the ACP…). It isn’t the only instance of this either, since other leaders of ACP also said classist things. Hating the poor/homeless is perfectly in line with their way of doing things.

  • ComradeSharkfucker@lemmy.mlEnglish
    29·
    16 days ago

    I don’t understand how these losers can read any theory and still support nationalism in the imperial core. What do they think lenin meant by social chauvinism?

  • lib1 [comrade/them]@hexbear.netEnglish
    24·
    16 days ago

    the main deterrent of our ideology

    I present: the natural consequences of using fancy sounding words despite not knowing what they mean

  • darkernations@lemmygrad.ml
    15·
    16 days ago

    [liberal] culture war psyops

    The difference between marxist-leninists and whatever these are is that MLs highlight pinkwashing to attack imperialism and fascism, whereas the ACP highlight it to attack those that don’t fit the chauvinist patriarchal mould, and they purposely develop no political toolkit to right this wrong.

  • Alaskaball [comrade/them, any]@hexbear.netEnglish
    12·
    16 days ago

    ACP grifters have zero ideological consistency beyond ideological opportunistic right-deviationism, Great American chauvinism – Великоамериканский шовинизм в том же ключе, в котором Ленин описывал великорусский шовинизм – petty bourgeoise reactionary radicalism, and red-washing of fascist theory.

  • Obama's Perfidy@lemmygrad.ml
    15·
    14 days ago

    It’s funny because you guys are going to go easy on them due to being Western alphabet leftists. If you really wanted to confront the settler property system, you wouldn’t just be reading Settlers and Arghiri Emmanuel while doing the exact same fucking thing.