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Pleeeeaaaase give this guy some consequences and not another stern talk and finger wag.
Hits bail needs to be revoked.
Fuck I would love to see actual consequences.
Bit worried that the gag order doesn’t directly preclude this though. Like yeah it’s clearly not in the spirit of, but is it a contravention?
The existing gag order from Justice Engoron most certainly does not cover this. AG James is not “court staff.” There would be a very justifiable call for a mistrial if the court and the plaintiff are on the same “staff.”
Trump would probably need to be arrested for the crime of doxxing. This can be charged in New York State, or - because AG James is both a State employee and an officer of the law - also at the federal level.
Widening the gag order sounds much more appropriate.
Although if idiots were to show up at the home of AG James you might reconsider charging Trump with whatever crime seemed appropriate.
Widening the gag order sounds much more appropriate.
It really doesn’t, though, because the end result is that Donald Trump, 45th fucking President of the United States, gets away with creating a substantial threat to the safety of a government employee involved in litigating against him in one of many court cases. Again.
But they’ll say “Oh, everybody knew that already, see it was someone else’s article!” and “AG James is not court staff!” and “First Amendment!” and “Get some flypaper!” And he will get away with it, again. He’ll get away with it next time, too.
The only way to keep him from stochastic terrorism is for one of the criminal courts to revoke his bond and put him in detention pending trial.
Someone is going to have to die before they are willing to crack down. I am hopeful that our justice system won’t let him slide. I imagine the long term damage would be devastating otherwise.
I’m paraphrasing here but
“I could shoot a man in the middle of the street and nothing would come of it”
I mean your right. I’d love to see him in jail.
It’s just that people with far more political and legal credibility than me are going to extraordinary lengths to ensure that the opportunities to cry foul as are minimal as possible.
You’re absolutely correct that this behavior reprehensible and all the rest but that specifically isn’t a crime.
The n the contrary, if doxxing is a crime and he meets the letter of the law he should be charged with that instead. And held without bond. Let him sit in jail without a phone until his lawyers successfully appeal the bond ruling.
this is not the experience of rich people in our court system. they do not sit in cells while their many lawyers do their thing.
if any regular people had done half of the felonious things that turd has, we’d be sitting in a cell.
Judges LOVE it when defendants try to get around court orders based on technicalities!
They’re going to slap the back of his hand with a wet bus ticket.
Fat chance on that buddy.
If I did a single thing this douchebag has done, I’d be in jail. Yet he’s the front runner for president for a political party. Blows my mind.
I cannot wait to not hear his name or voice again.
Almost like we live in a world with two very distinct classes of citizen, based entirely on money.
I feel it is necessary to point out that if Obama had done a small fraction of what Trump is accused of, he would have been executed.
Whoa, whoa, whoa there. That is a conversation for c/TheDocksLaterTonight keep it low profile. (●__●)
I cannot wait to not hear his name or voice again
I suspect his obituary will only be the start of a decades long industry of books, articles and documentaries about him.
Unfortunately, he’s a stain on this planet that won’t go away for a very long time, even after he has a hamberder induced coronary.
Man, totally with you. My fear is it’ll be the opposite. Either;
“MSNBC’S TOP 10 LESSONS WERE STILL LEARNING TODAY ABOUT THE MAGA MOVEMENT AND WHITE LOVES MATTER” clickbait from one marketing for
or
“ONN’S TOP 10 !MORE! REASONS A 3RD TERM IS A LOCK FOR MAGA” Exclusive interview with Trump Rises Again from the other marketing team.
Not sure I have a preference for either. It’s inevitable though, we’re gonna be hearing about this seasonally appropriate burning shit bag on democracies porch for far too long after it either wins or lays low for another 30 years.
white loves matter
Why does that sound like some kind Log Cabin porn?
Just how many laws does this man have to break before he faces any real consequences??
It really is a divide of the rich and the poor, cause if any of us did just one of the things he’s done there’d be no question, and we’d be behind bars already.Unfortunately, to have a squeaky clean trial the prosecutor and judge need to go above and beyond so there’s zero chance trump can come back and claim bias, and ask for a mistrial.
Stupid, but, not.
and incidentally, this fear of accusation causes an inherent bias in the opposite direction. Slap him in jail already. Communication only through his lawyers. or maybe only through court appointed lawyers. Because, you know, his lawyers are also likely to be criminals.
Never will.
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He can always be counted on to go lower.
Do not challenge him to a limbo match.
The cheeseberders would decide the outcome for him.
Anyone else would have been arrested and jailed by now.
And he’s the kind of person who’ll just keep stepping further over the line until the hammer finally comes down. Judges know this type, and they usually throw them in jail sooner because they know the violations will only get worse.
But I doubt this guy’s ever going to jail. He’s rich and famous, so…different rules.
Probably.
The judges in Trump’s various cases have to walk a fine line between justice being served and accusations of being politically aggressive against a high profile defendant.
Accusations which could derail the case and do even more damage to trust in the judiciary and the overall rule of law.
May?
Law is complicated and most of it is not updated for social media. I’m pretty sure he has a dedicated lawyer checking his statements for gag order violations and if the lawyer can’t directly say if it’s a gag order he goes ahead with it.
It’s very important for trump to look defiant but not in a way that will send him to jail.
I’m pretty sure he has a dedicated lawyer checking his statements for gag order violations and if the lawyer can’t directly say if it’s a gag order he goes ahead with it.
I don’t share your certainty on that at all. Trump doesn’t exactly employ the most qualified lawyers anymore, especially since he has a long history of not paying them and being complicit in sending them to jail. Also he would never let a lawyer hinder his impulse shitposting.
When he was president that was the case. Now he runs actual risk of going to jail. He is stupid but he is also a coward with basic survival instincts. He has done several statements where it has looked like he violated a gag order but he threads the needle by attack people that are adjacent to the gag order but not named.
He has shitty lawyers but they usually get into trouble when trying to get him out of crimes already committed. This is a pretty simple thumbs up or down procedure and everybody knows that the judge won’t bring the hammer down unless it is a textbook violation.
I think the stupid may outweigh the survival instincts.
I’m pretty sure he has a dedicated lawyer checking his statements
I wish I had your confidence in order and institutions. Either it was a F-tier lawyer https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Lhy5Y8xVHS0 or it was just Trump retweeting (or whatever it’s called on his platform) an article of which he like the headline.
Remember Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity … my money is on a toilet retweet
He knows his supporters will do something. He knows them very well.
And, even better, Democrats know they’ll get votes even though they’ve done nothing meaningful to stop it, so why would Trump ever stop?
nothing meaningful? pay closer attention
I suppose it is meaningful, in a way, that they’ve issued a bazillion court orders against him and he’s ignored them all without any accountability.
They’ve made a monster.
I really hope the judge does make a move at this point.
He needs to find Trump in contempt and remand his bail so he has to stay in jail (without social media) until his court date.
How could we have predicted such an unprecedented action. /s
The man who doesn’t know a consequence from a clitoris again broke the rules. Shocking, I wonder how they’re gonna gently corrale him this time while his supporters go on a murder mission.
Ok it may not violate the gag order because to my knowledge threats again the AG are not covered. However that is a separate crime
Geez he’s a putrid looking individual
Maybe that orange fuck wants to go to jail, so his cesspool raises up.
It’s ridiculous. Any of us would be in jail if we did even a fraction of his antics.
Since people often think that’s a simple matter of different justice for the wealthy or powerful, I feel it is necessary to point out that if Obama had done a small fraction of what Trump is accused of, he would have been executed.
While I don’t normally condone death as a form of punishment, we have precedent with the Rosenberg’s.
Executed as traitors, and if memory serves, for less flagrant violations. The fact that the orange stain continues to get away with all this shit astounds me.
Being an absolute traitor to your country while being the president… I’m sorry, but execution may be the only suitable solution, especially considering how many lives trump has had a direct hand in ending. Whether that be covid, compromised information to foreign powers (allegedly) that we have a history of NOT being friendly with, or just improper storage (including using it as some form of clout), or just general ineptitude.
If the US was a TV show, we jumped the shark when that fucker was forced in against the popular vote by the electoral college.
Then again, if memory serves, most GOP presidents in recent history have been forced through by the electoral college, as opposed to the will of the people.
I thought the same about the electoral college but it’s only happened a few times but twice have been in my lifetime which certainly sucks.
I agree
Thanks Obama? /s
we would have been in prison until the trials
We would have been in prison many years ago unless we had money.
That was pretty quick. Who won the pool?
The gag order was on 10/3, so honestly he’s lasted much longer than I thought he would.
Did anyone bet on 1.5 Mooches?
Holy shit. “mooches”.
I haven’t heard that in like twenty years.twenty years. Aka 664 mooches
