The same organization is making it very clear that this is not proof because they only have publicly available Intel.
The group cited several clips believed to be of the explosion from different sources and claimed the “geolocation and timing of the footage is conclusive”. However, they said their conclusions are not “proven fact”.
“That doesn’t mean that they are THE truth, just what we think is highly likely based on our geolocations(facts) and logic/reason,” they wrote on Twitter.
“We are geolocators, not official investigators… To be sure what really happened, different official investigations are needed.”
Israel and the US have more intelligence that could definitely prove what happened…
But for some reason they aren’t releasing it. Most logical reason is it shows Israel launched it, or blew up the hospital while trying to shoot a rocket down.
If it cleared Israel, that satellite footage would be out by now. Gaza is too tiny for me to believe Israel just wasn’t surveiling it at the time.
Have you also considered the crab people ?
Is that really the most logical conclusion to be drawn? It’s been less than a day, and I would really hope intellegince services are more diligent than your average twitter sleuth. Id rather they be right than first, personally.
Also what satellite footage are you talking about?
You dont think Israel has satellites looking at Gaza?
It’s a very very small area, and missiles/rockets are more than visible enough. It should be really easy to see if it came from Israel or further in Gaza.
Hamas doesn’t have satellites, so it makes sense they can’t offer proof.
If Israel wants people to believe them in 2023, they need to understand they’ve already burnt up their benefit of doubt.
Bro 1 quick google search and you have a satellite image of the hospital. Ya’ll just don’t wanna believe anything Israel says at this point.
Yes…
Google maps is a thing, but Israel and the US has live satellite coverage. I guarantee Israels is pointed in that area
And again One quick google search brings you to satellite pictures of the damage published by Israel (and also by other non biased news sources) Just search for it, please. I understand you have your agenda but come on don’t let it hide truths and evidence.
I don’t understand. Ya’ll think Israel is gonna burn an intelligence asset they have by making it public just so people who are already convinced by one narrative (because underdogs are always easier to support) have proof of one attack not being their own? They have better use for that intelligence. Like fighting a war.
While I can’t take Hamas’ word at face value, I also can’t forget that many people who are not Israeli have a vested interest in spreading misinformation. Why did Israel change it’s story so many times immediately following? Can IDF not launch missiles from inside Gaza? The article mentions this ordinance has been used by Hamas before, when? How is Hamas able to smuggle missiles into Gaza, which has been described as a locked down prison with hundreds of checkpoints?
This is an incredible claim and I expect incredible proof.
How is Hamas able to smuggle missiles into Gaza, which has been described as a locked down prison with hundreds of checkpoints?
there are huge tunnel systems under gaza…its quite crazy.
My man, this current conflict started with Hamas launching ~2,500 missiles at Israel. Israel famously has the Iron Dome system to shoot down the missiles that have been coming from Gaza, the West Bank, and Lebanon for years. It is not at all an incredible claim that Hamas and other anti-Israel groups in Palestine have missiles; it’s well-proven fact. Here’s an info-graphic of the different types of missiles Hamas was known to have as of 2021.
Thanks friend, you’re a good fella. I understand the Iron Dome is a rocket defense system, there’s just a difference between missiles and rockets.
I have not seen Israel change it’s story, do you have a source for that
First they blamed Hamas. Then they posted a video from 2022. Then they posted a video with a wrong timestamp (even though it was live). There were probably more but these are what came to mind.
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These are a few: https://twitter.com/MarkKersten/status/1714367614162702612, but they are saved all over if you don’t trust this random dude.
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Once this is backed up by a reputable news source, I’ll believe it. It’s unfortunate but I can’t argue with facts if adequate evidence and vetting is presented. I still hate Israel with every fiber in my body. From the river to the sea.
https://twitter.com/GrantSmithEllis/status/1714399186295111815?t=wxkjKFCi8k2oZ0FTiwxV1g&s=19
10-minute video captured by AJArabic around the time the al-Ahli hospital was hit.
As per @Ted55643099:
Explosions on this video: (0:19) hospital. (0:16, 4:25, 4:49) behind and to the left of the hospital. (5:33, 5:56, 9:26, 10:46) behind hospital, most likely the same place. (9:38, 10:51) to the right of the hospital outside of the frame, likely the same place.
Palestinians lie, and the world blames Jews, then the world targets Jews, and when the truth finally comes out, no one apologizes, the hurt and blood cannot be rescinded, because “The Jews deserved it anyway”
To be fair, no one’s blaming “the Jews”. We’re blaming Israel, which is a very different thing.
within 24h hours after that explosion at the hospital in Berlin there were reported cases of people spraying stars of david on jew’s houses and an incident with a molotov being thrown at a synagogue.
The line between Anti-Zionism and Anti-Semitism is VERY thin for a lot of people…
Which is why worldwide Jewish population making up .2% is targeted literally everywhere around the world every time Israel defends itself against Hamas. You keep saying this lie, every time it happens, and yet, targeting worldwide Jewry continues to happen every time Israel defends itself. And all the upvoters are like “yeah, we just got a problem with Israel not Jews” and the Jews keeps saying "why are you stabbing us in the street and targeting synagogues when Israel defends itself.
And some asshole like you will say the same thing next time, and so it goes, the eternal cycle. Jews say this is antisemitic, it’s jew bating, it’s threatening, it’s deadly, and the world says actually it’s not.
War crimes are not “defending itself”. There are literally Jews against Israel at this point. Wtf are you talking about? Israel is literally killing people, there’s no way you’re shifting this into the age old Jew hate debate. Hate crimes are happening, but it’s mostly Israel who’s doing them.
Israel lies. Hamas lies. No one apologizes for the Israeli lies either. You know what Palestinians don’t do… Run an apartheid state. Or turn Israel into an open air prison. Israel is the one here with the power to change the situation. Why don’t they?
It’s definitely tragic the attacks that happened. And our hearts go out to all of those families. Why didn’t any Israelis think about that over the years for the tens of thousands of Palestinians killed in their governments genocidal apartheid?
Israel is with the power to change the situation? Oh really? What could Israel could possibly do do have peace in the region? Besides going “okay we’re leaving bye have tel aviv and jerusalem” nothing could be done to stop the palestinian aggression. Nothing, and they proved that time and time again. Israel has nothing to do in the situation except prevent more attacks on it.
Eject Netanyahu and allies from the government. They’re partially responsible for hamas. Open up Palestine, focus a concerted effort on improving their material conditions and future prospects. People who believe they have equity in a system they perceive as fair and just. Typically don’t seek to destroy it or those they associate with it. Stop bulldozing their homes and stealing their land. Doesn’t matter who started it. It still doesn’t justify what the Israeli government has done.
Israel has everything to do with the situation. A blind hyperpartisan apologist like yourself just could never admit that.
Oh and what do you think would happen the second they open up Palestine? Would they get hugs and kisses or knives and mass raping? Let’s look at 7/10 as an example of what happens when Israelis don’t supervise entry to their country by Palestinians.
And as much as I hate it, Israel is a jewish state. Meaning it’ll never take in so many muslims endangering that jewish majority status - which is horrible. But on the other hand, neither would Palestinians agree to be part of Israel. Do you really think they’ll agree to just enter the state and live alongside existing Israelies? If so, then you live reaaaaaaly far away from that region to know anything about it. A nice resource is “the ask project” on youtube, just watch a couple of videos and see who Israel is facing against. They want nothing to do with Israel. They want their annihilation or exile.
Start looking at other media sites besides al jazira and see what’s really the problem there. Don’t believe neither side wants this war to happen, because noone does. It’s just that both sides are too stubborn (arguably Palestinians more) to do things for their own good.
Oh and what do you think would happen the second they open up Palestine? Would they get hugs and kisses or knives and mass raping?
Neither. That’s a strawman.
Let’s look at 7/10 as an example of what happens when Israelis don’t supervise entry to their country by Palestinians.
That’s a pointless thing to look at as long as you don’t address the underlying inequality and segregation Israel is imposing. Israel is only adding a second problem to address with the first problem that they created. Without doing away with both of them either one in isolation will not be adequate.
But on the other hand, neither would Palestinians agree to be part of Israel.
What’s your source for this? The fact that they won’t allow Palestinians to be part of Israel does not mean that Palestinians wouldn’t want to be. The problem is Israel won’t let them in the first place. If they even did the bare minimum of taking and screening families permitting them to leave Gaza and integrating them into society. This would be a whole different situation. The fact that they locked them down treating them like animals. Then act surprised when they get the retaliation they were looking for in return. Really seems disingenuous.
Start looking at other media sites besides al jazira
Oh cool another straw man. Do you actually have anything of value to say? Or are you just going to continue to try to debate dishonestly?
First, how is that a strawman? You said Israel should open up Palestine, I wrote why Israel shouldn’t. Either you’re speaking unknown terms I don’t understand or you don’t know what strawman argument means.
Secondly, I again advice you to look at more views of this conflict. “The ask project” is a good one asking Israelies and Palestinians questions about hotly debated topics. There you’ll find your answer as to what’ll happen when Israel opens Palestine. Palestinians don’t want to be part of Israel, they want Israel destroyed. You listening to left media is good and keeps you updated under one side of the conflict, but doesn’t reflect the will of the people living there and what happens practically.
The inequality and segregation by Israel is supposing Palestinians want to be integrated into Israel and don’t be allowed to. But the truth is that amongst peaceful Palestinians there are plenty of Iran and ISIS backed people who want to destroy the western world - and Israel to them seems like the frontline. So no, Israel should not stop their segregation, because that’s the only thing keeping them alive to this day.
I find it interesting that this is being defended so vociferously, when so many people still needlessly died.
Well the first claims out by Hamas was 500+ dead and an Israeli airstrike.
Now we are learning it’s more like 20-50 dead, landed in the parking lot next to the hospital and was due to a failed Hamas/related groups rocket.
Yeah either way people died but the entire situation has greatly raised tension in the middle east. It could have been responsible for opening up another front of the war with Hezbollah.
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So this here is the current view on the area where supposedly about 500 people died. Also there are allegedly more than 300 wounded.
Questions I personally have:
- where is the rubble and where is the bomb crater?
- why does the building seem undamaged?
- how do you fit 800 people in this parking lot?
Well Israel has dropped more bombs this week alone than the entire Afghan war, so it isn’t obscene to think the few hospitals left standing are overcrowded by the thousands. If OSINT is to be believed, it hit the parking lot and wiped out that many people, its a pretty fucking big parking lot. And if it was Hamas, they do not have as powerful of payloads as Israel, so I would assume they were just too weak to collapse the building.
Also it’s unclear how many people died.
Wtf is “open sourced intelligence”? Is it another name for “armchair internet sleuths”?
There is literally a definition in the article…
Open-Source Intelligence (OSINT) is defined as intelligence produced by collecting, evaluating and analysing publicly available information.
So like when Reddit found the Boston Bomber, gotcha.
I’ll take this with a grain of salt.
You know how reddit thought they caught the Boston bomber?
It’s like that, except on Twitter.
It’s genuine intel but needs to be verified thoroughly. I will believe it once it hits reputable news sources.
Which are? For example in Germany the Tagesschau is a quite reputable source and they are also using these OSINT sources to back the story up.
Reuters, NPR, NYT. I’m not going to deny facts, I would just like to be sure. Israel has enough war crimes for me to hate them over.
