US chicken companies pioneered restricting sleep to keep birds eating around the clock.
A new study (Li et al., 2026) recommends giving chickens just 2 hours of darkness nightly to maximize the time they spend eating. The study and photo are Chinese.
We know chickens have far better hapiness with 7–8 hours of darkness to sleep.
But they eat more and grow faster when they are sleep deprived.
Is animal torture funny to you?
Pretty sure that one is already dead.
In a thread about animal suffering, they posted an animation clearly depicting an end result of that suffering, which is obviously meant to mock the situation. Therefore, animal suffering is funny to them.
suffering of any kind isn’t funny.
but it sure is delicious.
Damn, doubling down, bold move. I appreciate the honesty, thanks for signaling to others that you are probably not a safe person to be around. 👍
of course I’m not a safe person to be around.
I’m a stranger from the internet. what’s wrong with you?
Not letting people sleep 8 hours naturally does the same thing.
Yeah, if hell exists these people are going there, fuck, how can you be so disgusting.
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all of this will inevitably be replaced with lab grown meat anyways.
This is beyond fucked up…I cant stand what we do to animals.
Oh man, the other day I watched that Netflix documentary “Big Chicken” about the fried chicken industry 🤢
Before capitalism, people used to only kill as many animals as were necessary to feed them, all while ensuring they don’t suffer needlessly and respecting their natural habitats.
Under capitalism, animals are just resources to be extracted and turned into products and profits. The conditions of this extraction may vary slightly, but ultimately this is never going to change under a system that fundamentally removes humans from nature, as well as focuses on accumulation of capital above all else.
This is just plainly incorrect. Humans have been shit long before capitalism came about. This is like claiming rape wasn’t a thing until [insert thing here] came about.
Capitalism is shit for so many reasons, you don’t need to make things up to show that.
Before capitalism, people used to only kill as many animals as were necessary to feed them
Are you serious? Abusing animals for sport and gambling was widespread, across many cultures, millennia before modern capitalism.
The Wikipedia article on bloodsport lists plenty of examples of human on animal or animal on animal violence to the death.
And that’s to say nothing of the use of non-consenting human slaves for blood sport.
There’s something to be said for the cruelty of industrialized slaughter, but let’s not pretend that human cruelty to animals isn’t part of our nature that predates capitalism.
There was still some time where pre-industrial husbandry including breeding of animals was a thing and capitalism didn’t exist in the form we criticise it now.
Capitalism wasn’t the cause of animal cruelty, no. You’re spot-on there. But OP is correct that there was a shift between ‘killing what was needed/could be stored’, to what we currently have which is ‘get as many animals through the process as quickly as possible for the sake of profit’. And now we have a problem of having so much food available for businesses and not enough available for individuals (or at least not for a comparable cost). Having worked in the food service industry for over a decade, being told to throw away pounds and pounds and pounds of perfectly good food every day, watching coworkers get punished for even ASKING if they could take any of it home, and constantly given some half-assed reasoning of “oh we wouldn’t want to be sued if someone claims they ate our food and got sick” (even though that would be the simplest court case possible, almost an automatic win for the business if it even got to that point) as the sole justification to why it was immediately trashed, I’m honestly just sick of all the bullshit.
Completely unrelated to food or animals, I personally also know this from the tech industry. Instead of giving away old devices to schools or for universities, you rather shredder them because support may be expensive, it may canibalize the sale of newer devices, etc. Millions of dollars just made to e-waste because the system is sick. I am sure every industry has these stories.
Even humans are resources bro under capitalism.
yes, animals are resources under capitalism.
I’ve always thought human resources was a creepy way to describe a group of people.
Foie gras was developed like half a millenia ago… humans have always had the capacity for and willingness to be cruel for our own individual betterment. There was never any “before” time that we can go back to where there werent shitty people doing shitty things. We have been exploiting and exterminating animals for centuries and centuries, we just have the best tools to do it, that weve ever had now.
Half a millennia ago was about the same time as early-modern capitalism was developed… It’s just a coincidence I’m sure, but still thought it was funny to point out. That being said, I agree with you that there wasn’t a time “before people were shitty”, but I must point out that we’ve developed tech to such a level that we’re actively destroying our own environment. Also, OP is correct when they said that we actively shifted from killing what was needed and saving the rest for later, to our current profit-driven method of breeding and butchering as many animals as physically possible just for the sake of selling more and keeping the machines running efficiently.
I’d be willing to forgive all of that if we were somehow able to eliminate hunger through these production methods (something well within our capability to accomplish), but having worked in the food service industry for over a decade, being told to throw away pounds and pounds and pounds of perfectly good food every day, watching coworkers get punished for even ASKING if they could take any of it home, and constantly given some bullshit reasoning of “oh we wouldn’t want to be sued if someone claims they ate our food and got sick” as the sole justification to why it was immediately trashed, I’m honestly just sick of all the bullshit. The fact that we have a hyper-efficient food industrial complex that produces more than we know what to do with AND a nation-wide food-affordability problem that seems to exclusively effect the most vulnerable, should not be two facts that coexist
I must point out that we’ve developed tech to such a level that we’re actively destroying our own environment.
that would be the advent of agriculture probably, and i’m an early 19th century CE history nerd not a beginnings of civilization history nerd wikipedia can teach you better than i can
The “early 19th century CE history nerd” trying to detract from the harmful consequences of the Industrial Revolution by trying to claim ‘we’ve always been like that’? I never could’ve seen this coming 🙄
You know all too well what I’m talking about. In fact, by your own admission, you should know it better than me. So the fact that you’re so eager to use one of the oldest (and weakest) rhetorical defenses in the book should speak volumes to anyone else listening/reading this
yes, i do know all too well what you’re talking about. when do you expect the land around the limestone mine to recover? and when was it opened?
Around the same time you stop using whataboutisms and goal-post-shifts to attempt to win all your arguments. So probably never in our lifetimes
A counter example is not whataboutism. Try again.
An example of whataboutism: you complain about environmental destruction but you are using a computer and talking to us through a data center.
I did work in warehouse of a company that sells perishables on amazon. There were times in summer when half the inventory would get molds or maggots.
It was apparently still cheaper than keeping everything refrigerated tho because the company simply bought twice as much food needed and simply let them go to waste.
Becoming a radicalized vegetarian over here
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Mother cows will cry out for their babies who were taken from them, never to see them again. All because a bunch of assholes refuse to drink oat milk. Fucking awful.
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We’re all going to become vegetarian because meat is a luxury.
If i had magic powers i would transform the people who make decisions like this into an animal under their own care
if I had magic powers, I would cast a spell that’d make everyone have the common sense to not lose their shit over a unverified picture and unsourced claim.
Even if this is false, it’s not like a chicken’s life is a string of spa days
“Even if this is false, I’ve already fallen into the outrage trap and I’ll be damned if I’ll ever admit wrong, So I’m just going to shift the goalposts”
No outrage trap on my side. I just think that your comment is despicable.
I don’t know how I’ll live with myself, knowing you hate critical thinking so much.
even if you are incapable of critical thought, it’s not like your opinion matters anyway.
Thank you for having stopped on your way to your job as the CEO of the company.
Animal cruelity in general has been proven enough times to justify transformation powers for me
Any random idiot would agree
No, not even a random idiot believes any random unverified claim… and they are even more suspicious of things that tickles their fancy and aligns with what they want to hear, because they are aware of how easy it is to slip into complacency and sacrifice their critical thinking for comfortable outrage.
Also, even a random idiot could do a cursory search to find
§ 205.241 Avian living conditions.
For layers and all other fully feathered birds, artificial light may be used to prolong the day length, to provide up to 16 hours of continuous light per 24-hour period (i.e., minimum of 8 hours of continuous darkness per 24-hour period). Artificial light intensity should be lowered gradually to encourage hens to move to perches or settle for the night. Artificial light spectrum may not be manipulated to increase feed intake and growth rate.
But that doesnt let us wallow in comfortable outrage, so of course we’re not gonna do that.
May not be allowed to be manipulated… according to what country? A random Google search can pull from any country’s standards, EU ones are some of the best. With that said, I was not able to find a reliable source for this purported study, either.
The vegans are right.
Always were.
Why do you think the meat industry has to perpetually expend capital to drag their cause through the mud ?
and the pandemics
Fuck that an’ all. But how do we know “chickens have far better happiness with 7-8 hours of darkness to sleep”? How does one measure the happiness of a chicken?
Flip the question:
How do we measure a chickens suffering?
That question has an intuitive answer if you’re honest enough.
Signs of stress, and behaviors that indicate a normative state.
Chickens, when calm and with their flock, make all kinds of sounds and exhibit behaviors like “cuddling”, and even the rare mutual preening. While it’s impossible to point to anything like that and be 100% certain you’ve identified the internal emotional state of an animal, it’s one of those duck things, only chickens. If it looks like a happy chicken, and trills like a happy chicken, might as well say it’s a happy chicken.
If chickens don’t get good rest, you’ll notice all the usual bird stress behaviors appearing. Feather plucking, grumpiness, pecking, angry zipper noises, etc.
So, again, it’s foolhardy to apply human states of mind to anything that can’t speak our language. But some things can be observed and extrapolated to at least be similar.
Side note: the sound a happy chicken makes when cuddling you will either melt your heart, or prove you’re an emotionless wreck. I have wept at that sound
I once had a chicken that would purr like a cat
It’s such a lovely sound :)
Mine only breaks it out when she’s particularly lovey dovey with me. And, obviously, I melt into a puddle when she does lol
Chicken owner here: you can indeed absolutely tell what a chicken is feeling because they have a wide range emotions they will loudly tell you all about.
All my birds are like this. They’re very expressive.
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Ok a surface-level duckduckgo of “Li et al 2026” only gives me twitter that’s related (which’s also an unlinked image)
I seen similar claims that DO actually have sources before, so I know this type of stuff happens in the meat industry, but still please link the sources.
I wasn’t able to find the article on Google Scholar or Kagi either. Given that “Li” is the second most common surname in the world, it would be nice to have a bit more for a reference.
And chick fil a wants to take the moral high ground with their cow saying eat more chicken
Another post comes out highlighting yet one more of the enumerable ways we humans absolutely ruin the lives of other animals. Like clockwork, the few people who actually take the simple, reasonable steps to approach a better way of life get dogpiled by all the others who have their bag of holding ready with every stale excuse and outright lies about veganism to continue the status quo.
We are in a thread about one form of cruelty towards chickens - only one small part of an entire supply chain of fucked up that is going on right now more than ever - which would probably lead to a whole multiple weeks of news and outrage and lawsuits if it was done to humans.
And you decided that your goal was going to be to come in here and automatically decenter the conversation away from the animals because you wanted to argue with vegans?
Listen, whatever your self identity is, if you are doing what you can to stop supporting these things, that’s awesome I’m proud of you. I do not care about identity politics, especially when it gets into the No True Scottsman obnoxiousness. If you are doing what you can, with what you have, that is good enough for now. And I hope you’re able to feel inspired to push things further.
But if your whole thing is to just come into these posts to argue with vegans, first of all, get a real job. Second, look, I don’t care to frame things around whether someone is good or bad. We all just do things, and there are consequences for those things for better or worse. This isn’t about vegans, this is about literally every species of animal on the planet, both including and excluding us.
Every time we pay for an animal product, we are complicit in all the things being done to both humans and other animals to get that product. That is the cold hard reality. That is never going to go away unless we all collectively change.
But if your whole thing is to just come into these posts to argue with vegans
fairly certain that this post has nothing to do with vegans and everything to do with chickens.
I don’t come here to argue with vegans. Vegans come to these posts of their own volition. If anything I’m a huge supporter of free-range vegans that feel it necessary, nay, compelled to argue of their own accord.
I’m just here as an innocent bystander, eating my tendies and being unfairly judged by vegans through their smug sense of moral superiority. no different than the christofascists that tell nonbelievers that they will burn in hell for all eternity for not accepting jesus christ as lord.
ironically, vegans have another thing in common with christofascists. Having a victim simplex so powerful they tend to make the actual problem about themselves. here’s a post about mistreatment of chickens, and yet many users like yourself have made it about how poorly people treat vegans.
shame on you!
Wow, how long did it take you to type all this? I must have really struck a nerve when I called you out for being a psycho. Maybe consider not doing that, and you’re really not helping your case here.
see, there you go making it about you again. you have a strong persecution complex, you should consider seeking help with that.
I mean, it goes both ways. There’s a dude talking about how there are humane farms that don’t abuse animals, every reply is a comment from a vegan on how such a thing is impossible.
So dude is talking about simple and reasonable steps to a better way of life, and it’s the vegans dog piling.
There’s truth to your argument in a vacuum, but like they say, there is no humane way to butcher an animal. Ultimately they go to the same slaughterhouses, which if you go to the link I commented, are awful places for both the animals being slaughtered, and the people who routinely develop ptsd and are often in circumstances where they are all but forced to work at such places.
Plus there’s a reason factory farms are the way they are: that’s what’s necessary to keep up with the demand for animal products. So-called “happy farms” are not scalable.
It’s really not an improvement at all.
You’ve moved from simple reasonable steps to wanting an overnight lifestyle change.
Local farms with local butchers are leaps and bounds better than factory farming. If we can agree on that, what is the problem with someone moving to utilizing those services if that is as far as they are willing to go at the start?
I am looking forward to the day that cloned meat is an thing. It would likely save on resources, be more sanitary, and would prevent the suffering of animals for our pleasure.
However much I enjoy my chicken tenders, I would like less awful to be involved for getting them onto my tastebuds.
If it’s been a while since you tried them, I’d suggest any of the plant-based tender options. Some of them are so good, I’d choose them over animal tenders even if I weren’t vegan.
What if you found out that “cloned meat” had a partial brain - like the made a chicken with a partial brain - just enough to grow it - fed through tubes - would that be better or worse than now?
Some of the science meat companies make more of an effort than others to reduce or eliminate their dependence on animals, though it’s still not a perfect situations. Have fun with the utilitarians you just invited though. 💩
Partial brain? Meaning a few logic gates or a retarded AI that you command with voice?
Maybe that brain views the extruding of meat product like humans view bowel movements.
Except that it doesn’t? Lol.
I was proposing a future hypothetical.
I don’t think it is implausible that chicken growers may find they can genetically modify the chicken to only produce the part of the brain involved in growing the meat/bones/etc. I would bet that this is already being researched as a “halfway” to the “vat of chicken.”
I personally think this is horrendous and gross, but … I just wonder, would other people be ok with chicken “without a brain”?
I’m sort of disappointed I was downvoted.
