• orca@orcas.enjoying.yachts
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      12 days ago

      Rough guess: maybe because it’s a burden on Guts and not something he wanted. His life is basically forfeit and he endangers those he’s around because of it.

      You have now been marked with the Brand of Sacrifice. The lives of those who bear the Brand, from the last drop of blood, to the last moment of your agonizing death, will feed life to the new Child of Darkness.

      NINJA EDIT: This one is kinda up in the air to me though. You don’t have to necessarily like Guts or any of the characters, but the symbol can represent how one might feel haunted by their past struggles. It can be symbolic of the demons that follow you. How I relate to it: I’ve witnessed every member of my closest immediate family circle pass away from various illnesses over the years, including my brother just recently. So I feel similarly alone like I’m wandering the earth cursed.

      • America@sh.itjust.works
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        12 days ago

        Yeah, judging a tattoo without asking about it is often a path toward misunderstanding. A friend of mine has all of their allergies tattooed down their shoulder, but only some are visible when they’re wearing a short sleeve shirt. You’d think they were a freed beekeeper based on the feather and bee peeking out. But the list is fully visible and labeled in a tank top

  • decolo@piefed.socialEnglish
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    12 days ago

    For a brief moment I thought this was telling me my Mechanicus special interest was invalid, and then I processed the ‘ad victoriam’ and realized it was fallout.

    • sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
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      11 days ago

      Religious Extremist Settler Colonialism just ends up destroying your society as well as the colonized.

      The entire situation with the bugs was caused by Mormon Extremist settlers, who literally started the entire interplanetary war by settling on territory illegally.

      A relative minor detail in the movie, but maybe perhaps relevant to current events, human history broadly.

      • triple_entendre@infosec.pub
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        12 days ago

        Read the book not realizing the film satirizes the book and kept waiting for some kind of punchline. Finished thinking “wait, the author was serious?”

        • jtrek@startrek.website
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          12 days ago

          If you haven’t read Eco’s essay on ur-fascism, it’s a good read: https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/umberto-eco-ur-fascism

          So we come to my second point. There was only one Nazism. We cannot label Franco’s hyper-Catholic Falangism as Nazism, since Nazism is fundamentally pagan, polytheistic, and anti-Christian. But the fascist game can be played in many forms, and the name of the game does not change. The notion of fascism is not unlike Wittgenstein’s notion of a game. A game can be either competitive or not, it can require some special skill or none, it can or cannot involve money. Games are different activities that display only some “family resemblance,” as Wittgenstein put it. Consider the following sequence:

          1___2___3___4

          abc bcd cde def

          Suppose there is a series of political groups in which group one is characterized by the features abc, group two by the features bcd, and so on. Group two is similar to group one since they have two features in common; for the same reasons three is similar to two and four is similar to three. Notice that three is also similar to one (they have in common the feature c). The most curious case is presented by four, obviously similar to three and two, but with no feature in common with one. However, owing to the uninterrupted series of decreasing similarities between one and four, there remains, by a sort of illusory transitivity, a family resemblance between four and one.

          Fascism became an all-purpose term because one can eliminate from a fascist regime one or more features, and it will still be recognizable as fascist. Take away imperialism from fascism and you still have Franco and Salazar. Take away colonialism and you still have the Balkan fascism of the Ustashes. Add to the Italian fascism a radical anti-capitalism (which never much fascinated Mussolini) and you have Ezra Pound. Add a cult of Celtic mythology and the Grail mysticism (completely alien to official fascism) and you have one of the most respected fascist gurus, Julius Evola.

          • Enkrod@feddit.org
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            11 days ago

            It’s so obvious that Eco is biased when it comes to religion.

            Nazism is fundamentally pagan, polytheistic, and anti-Christian

            After reading “Belief or Nonbelief?” I continue to find little hints about how Eco, even as an agnostic, really struggles with leaving his catholic indoctrination behind.

        • ikt@aussie.zone
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          12 days ago

          The Lemmy has decided that it is about facism so it is about facism, just like you might think the matrix is a fun sci-fi future tech action movie but it’s not, it’s actually about the experiences of transgenders

          You see when you spend as much time online as the chronically online, you come to learn that if you overthink enough you can find problems with everything

          • CTDummy@piefed.socialEnglish
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            11 days ago

            Neil Patrick Harris is dressed in a blatant SS look alike uniform at the end and Switch exists in the Matrix movie. Matrix was more overtly about the illusions of a constructed soceity but I feel like the trans allegory was always there. Isn’t the red pill a HRT reference since estrogen pills were red in the 90s?

            Switch

            Switch was originally meant to change genders upon entering the Matrix, which coined their name “Switch”. In the real world, Switch would be male, and in the Matrix, Switch would be female - a very clever and critical point of the ‘residual self-image’ idea. When actress Belinda McClory auditioned for the role, she was going for only half the role - Switch’s Matrix form. Warner Brothers made the decision to cut this and give Switch one form for both environments.

            • Deme@sopuli.xyz
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              12 days ago

              I think the SS uniforms, the eagles in the flag and the emblems, the social darwinist attitudes, passionate hate towards the bugs (a disgusting subhuman enemy which needs to be genocided for a final solution) and dismissals of logic in favor of propagandistic appeals to emotion are much more apparent examples. Also the fact that all the actors got cast for their looks in true propaganda movie fashion.

              The protagonists home could’ve been anywhere for the same plot, so my interpretation was that the city was named just to drive home the point that there’s only one global state.

          • FiskFisk33@startrek.website
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            12 days ago

            The Lemmy has decided that it is about facism so it is about facism

            Well, so did films creators. Though as with all art of course you don’t have to view it the same way its creator did. But there’s no need to be an ass about it.

        • neatchee@piefed.socialEnglish
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          12 days ago

          While fascism has only ever been observed with a dictator, due to its fundamental nature of consolidating power and national identity, in theory a very tight oligarchy could be fascist.

          Dictatorship isn’t so much a mandatory component of fascism as it is a logical conclusion of the ideology in practice

      • Deme@sopuli.xyz
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        12 days ago

        To expand on that, it tricks the viewer into getting seduced by that fascism. The main point is to show the viewer that you aren’t immune to it. It’s much easier to get swept up in the jingoistic hate for the subhuman enemy when said enemy is actually nonhuman. Wisecrack made a good video breakdown of this some years ago.

        • Denjin@feddit.uk
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          12 days ago

          At the start of the movie you’re just in it to avenge Buenos Aires, by the end you’re cheering for the guy dressed as a Nazi proclaiming the enemy is afraid.

          • Deme@sopuli.xyz
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            12 days ago

            I might be reading too much into a specific visual choice here, but IIRC even that might’ve been a false flag operation. The arachnid home planet is shown on a map to be on the other side of the galaxy, so not exactly asteroid throwing distance.

            • Enkrod@feddit.org
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              11 days ago

              Before the asteroid we get snippets of lore here and there that hint at the fact that humanity intruded into Arachnid space and started the conflict by killing lots of bugs and that the bugs started throwing rocks in response to that.

    • dual_sport_dork 🐧🗡️@lemmy.worldEnglish
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      12 days ago

      That, and I dunno. The older I get the more I start to agree that maybe lots of motherfuckers really shouldn’t be trusted with technology.

      The Brotherhood’s original intentions were more or less sound, it’s just that like with all religious and quasi-religious organizations the internal power structure and rituals eventually became more important than the mission, and as everyone kind of went whackadoodle as a result the whole thing rather went off the rails.

      • jtrek@startrek.website
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        12 days ago

        I think part of the problem is that Bethesda doesn’t really seem to have a good critical understanding. They like the superficial stuff, like children. Like this meme, I guess.

  • vaultdweller013@sh.itjust.works
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    11 days ago

    Looks at Enclave patches on my jacket

    I understood the messages perfectly well, I just like the bad guys in this case. If it makes it any better ive also got a Freedom patch from S.T.A.L.K.E.R. and two NCR patches.

  • Gust@piefed.socialEnglish
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    12 days ago

    Two more for the pile

    Edit: ironically, it seems my media literacy could be called into question here too based on the mismatch between the tone of OP meme and the tone of the responses I posted. Context for anybody missing it below.

    The punisher is a revenge fantasy carried out on corrupt policemen. The message was basically acab before acab was a thing people said. Policemen, who tend to have IQ that matches their best mile time in minutes, love to plaster his logo all over everything they own.

    The bottom photo is Tom Morello of Rage Against The Machine. Rather than summarize his story, I’ll share his response when a prominent conservative politician tweeted about RatM being their favorite band. “I wonder what [Paul] Ryan’s favorite Rage song is? Is it the one where we condemn the genocide of Native Americans? The one lambasting American imperialism? Our cover of “Fuck the Police”? Or is it the one where we call on the people to seize the means of production? So many excellent choices to jam out to at Young Republican meetings!”

      • Gust@piefed.socialEnglish
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        11 days ago

        Yeah. The leftist in me thinks it goes kinda hard, but the volunteer social worker in me has spent a lot of time and effort making absolutely sure the homeless folk I’ve interacted with were not armed. I thought it said “arm the hopeless” when I found the picture

        • orca@orcas.enjoying.yachts
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          12 days ago

          I wonder if the message is about Rage Against the Machine and how conservatives always misunderstand the lyrics because they have zero media literacy.

            • LostCarcosan@lemmy.today
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              11 days ago

              Do you ever consider why being aware of and against horrible things happening to innocent people, aware of the people in charge scamming and laughing at you while you scrabble around in the dirt blaming other people being scammed just like you is considered an insult by your kind?

              Do you just enjoy the feeling of constantly being made a fool? Is that why you think ‘woke’ is such an insult? Some kind of weird kink about being robbed and abused?

              Well fuck me I fell for it. It’s real hard to tell these days when someone’s being facetious or not on the internet :(

                • Alcoholicorn@mander.xyz
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                  10 days ago

                  People get used to assuming other people are dumber than them, especially online. So they see an obvious joke and instead if thinking “well obviously they didn’t mean the thing they are pointing out, so they are pointing it out to mock that perspective”, they just accept it face value, and then when called out on it go “poe’s law” or argue that the fact that they didn’t understand says a lot about society instead of doing any introspection.

        • Signtist@bookwyr.meEnglish
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          12 days ago

          It’s a “misunderstood the message” in the opposite direction. He wrote angry songs about how the establishment is evil, and pro-establishment people thought they were angry songs about how people trying to change the establishment were evil.

            • Signtist@bookwyr.meEnglish
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              11 days ago

              I remember a classmate of mine thought the “some of those who work forces are the same that burn crosses” lyric was saying “Satanists are infiltrating our pristine and flawless police force!” And of course there’s the quintessential “Fuck you I won’t do what you tell me!” that all republicans thought meant “Fuck you, I won’t do the bare minimum to care about others!”

                • Signtist@bookwyr.meEnglish
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                  11 days ago

                  Oh, they were certainly enraged. Those damn satanists! But yeah, nobody I knew actually knew what the lyrics were - we all just mumbled along incoherently until we yelled out the few parts that everyone knew, so none of us were actually certain that the conservatives were totally misinterpreting what the song was saying.

        • Tippy@sh.itjust.works
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          12 days ago

          Right wingers are too dumb to have media literacy and tend to love RATM. I do agree just a photo of him was probably the most confusing way to convey that message though.

          • sarcasticsunrise@lemmy.world
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            11 days ago

            Good lookin out! Voyager is one of the few Trek shows I haven’t seen every episode of, I mean I’ve seen most of Voyager, so I might’ve seen that one. It just makes sense, Starfleet is the embodiment of leftist socialist idealism, I do love it so

            • xspurnx@leminal.space
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              11 days ago

              What are you on about? Starfleet is a (at least quasi)military organization with a obvious hierarchical order. The captain tells you to jump? You say how high. There’s a lot of discussions, but in the end she/he decides the fate of all aboard.

              Now, I love old Trek (up until and including Voyager) - it has a lot of merits - but it’s far from how I’d want society to be optimally.

    • taiyang@lemmy.world
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      12 days ago

      I know the point of Tom Morello being included is because RATM is completely misunderstood by conservatives, but it makes me giggle because he did a song for Final Fantasy XIV because a friend he played D&D with also knew a guy involved and it just happened.

      But progressives can have hobbies. It’s fine. Lol

  • trslim@pawb.social
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    11 days ago

    The only one i have a gripe with is the Brand of Sacrifice. Yes, in the Berserk world, it marks one for sacrifice by the Godhand. But we dont live in the Berserk world. To me, the Brand is a sign of struggle, and a symbol of resisting fate and destiny. It’s standing up for yourself, even when the easy thing would be to lay down. It’s facing adversity and pain when the world wants to kick you and beat you down. That’s what the Brand means to me.

    But fuck Griffith, i want that twink obliterated.

    • ZombiFrancis@sh.itjust.works
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      11 days ago

      But fuck Griffith, i want that twink obliterated.

      I mean, right before he did the, uh, stuff he kinda was. A whole buncha torture stuff happened to him before he did the things.

      • beejboytyson@lemmy.world
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        11 days ago

        Nah, Griffith was always about that shit that’s the point. Griffith was always about himself that was a huge plot point of the story. Given that choice again 10 times out of 10 he would pick it the same choice. He would do anything achieve his goals, he’d probably do worse if he had to.

    • Jax@sh.itjust.works
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      10 days ago

      Came here to say this, the brand of sacrifice is symbolic of mankind’s eternal struggle to survive. I think that message is pretty clear.

    • soratoyuki@piefed.zipEnglish
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      11 days ago

      Does it matter? The post is here. It’s being interacted with. It spawned discussion. Why stress over it also being on Reddit?

    • CTDummy@piefed.socialEnglish
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      12 days ago

      God dammit didn’t even realise. Dunno why this is being downvoted? Yet another baby account with hundreds of posts and seemingly copying them from reddit. This is like the 4th I’ve seen a couple weeks. The one before this had 588 post and comments in the same time span.

  • Jiggle_Physics@quokk.auEnglish
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    11 days ago

    Talking about not getting it. The people in this thread bring up points about liking things for reasons that don’t mean you agree with the evil character, and think the are to be looked up to, while simultaneously ignoring that there are massive crowds of people out their that do just that, look up to these people like hero’s, believe they are the correct ones, etc. and that this is what the meme was addressing, not someone thinking a character was a good character for story writing purposes.