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3 Panel Comic

Panel 1: James sits clutching a mug nervously as he listens to a conversation he’s afraid of. He stares at something off screen. Near by, a woman and smartly dressed man talk movies over their drinks. The woman nods along.

Man: I’d say probably the best filmmaking I’ve ever seen, has been ‘The Sacrifice’ by Tarkovsky

Woman: Mmhmm

Panel 2: James is pulled from whatever holds his attention as he’s dragged into the conversation.

Man: What about you James? What would you say is the best film you have ever seen?

James: Huh?

Panel 3: James turns back towards the window he’s been watching as he feeds the man an expected answer.

James: Ah! Uhm y’know… ‘Mulholland Drive’, maybe ‘Vertigo’

Outside the window, the movie ‘Step Brothers’ bangs on the glass demanding to be acknowledged. knock knock knock

  • InputZero@lemmy.world
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    17 days ago

    I don’t know what my answer would be but it would need to be S class in being both artistic and entertaining. Like The Boy in The Striped Pajamas is S class artistic, B class entertaining. Avengers End Game is B class artistic and S class entertaining. I don’t know what movie would be an S class in both.

    Well I can think of animated movies pretty easily, The Wild Robot, Spirted Away, and Akira comes to mind immediately. As for live action movies, that’s tougher.

    • KeenFlame@feddit.nu
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      15 days ago

      There are more lateral rating perspectives to consider, like, is it something you remember and think of occasionally (sticky) is the philosophy important and useful (deep meaning-ness?) but, for sure if one film should wear the crown it should Excel in every metric that matters to you. But socially, it is much more interesting to mention that movie that will inspire the best conversation imo. It’s more important to be present and connect with who is asking than providing an accurate measure. But it also means all these types of questions are autism traps as well as character revealing and taste exploration.

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        17 days ago

        I think that the soundtrack, the designs, and ultimately just growing up with it, are what make me partial to it

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          16 days ago

          Nausica is the superior film imo, both are trying for different things. One is a coming of age story that is post societal upheaval. The other is an adventure into the unknown that is pre societal upheaval.

          Castle in the sky really combines both.

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            16 days ago

            I think that’s what makes it so good. It gives you hope that we will find peace in this huge barren land where mercy wins in the end

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    16 days ago

    Can someone please explain why people llke Step Brothers so much?

    The movie is literally about two NEETs being as insufferable as possible. Where is the comedy in that?

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      15 days ago

      The jokes and relatability of being a child in an adult body, especially if you are a child or a child in an adult body

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      16 days ago

      I wasn’t a big fan but I watched it in front of others and they really liked the ‘putting my balls on your drum set’ part.

    • 🔍🦘🛎@lemmy.world
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      15 days ago

      I’m also not a fan of the movie, but we still use the quote “There’s so much room for activities” all the time

  • Wildmimic@anarchist.nexus
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    17 days ago

    The best movies i have seen in my life for me personally were probably:

    • Sharknado (all of them) because of their absurdity. It’s something to laugh at, and they do not aspire to be anything else, which is something we all need from time to time, while it is seldom provided. Honorable mention for anything Monty Python.
    • Nolan’s Batman movies, because they capture the atmosphere Batman Movies deserve perfectly (I am not a fan of his later stuff tho. Dunkirk was fine but somewhat boring for a film that should embody tension, Tenet is a fucking mess regardless of how often you watch it. Things like “The Prestige” are somewhat of a foreshadowing of his ability to create suspension and drama. They should really take away a bunch of tools from him to get better results - he fails when working without restrictions, he seems to get lost in the detail. Probably why I like the Batman movies so much - there he is confined to a preexisting world where he can’t just do whatever his mind produces.) The Joker first movie also hit that same mark.
    • Akira. This thing has formed my relationship to messy and gory anime, and i would never have it any other way.
    • Braindead and Event Horizon. The same thing for horror and splatter movies.

    The best series:

    • Battlestar Galactica remake: The soundtrack alone is something to die for, and both the story and the acting are top-notch, surpassing their source material. I’ve been an Olmos fan ever since. Great stuff!
    • Cyberpunk: Edgerunners: I was an old-school Shadowrun RPG player back in the 90’s (Hermetic Mage all the way btw), and this anime really hit all of the targets. The crumbling society with normal people trying to life their lives in it, and the people being pushed to the edges and their resulting attempts to break the cycle they are caught in are fully shown here. Can’t wait for the second season.
    • Breaking Bad: not so much for the series itself, although both acting and story are fine (i tried watching it a second time, but it’s just not the same), but for the portrayal of how health issues ranging from cancer, getting hurt on the job (Hank), psychiatric problems like kleptomania or drug addiction can cause common people to spiral out in the US (while the whole premise is moot in most of the developed world with socialized health care and available mental health professionals (this needs improvement even here)), and how people who want to get out are caught up in this mess without any real options to escape (outside of Walt rigging up an M60 in his car trunk)
    • Death Note: Such an intelligent series. I love it to death (although the last few episodes can’t keep up the pace).
    • KeenFlame@feddit.nu
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      15 days ago

      Ok sorry didn’t read all yet, but wdym

      This specific Batman bc. it is the most Batman of all Batman

      It feels like do you mean that you love “adaptability art” like do you enjoy creative limits or just “when I was a teen the specific power fantasy of this specific character captured me”?

      • Wildmimic@anarchist.nexus
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        15 days ago

        They displayed the world similarily to the comics, and Batman for me isn’t a power fantasy, it’s a drama. He’s just as broken as everyone else around him.

    • then_three_more@lemmy.world
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      17 days ago

      Your description of breaking bad actually makes sense as you why I didn’t understand the hype around it. I just didn’t have the cultural context.

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        17 days ago

        I am very sure that an appreciable amount of criminality and violence in the US stems from the missing health care, not just in the context of a series. If your quality of life depends on making enough money to pay the doctors, you will be deciding pretty quick to turn towards illegal methods to secure your wellbeing.

  • Vincent@feddit.nl
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    17 days ago

    Just wanted to say, that’s an excellent transcript. I have good vision so I don’t need it myself, but I appreciate the effort for those who do.

    • cannedtuna@lemmy.worldOPM
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      17 days ago

      Thanks. They’re annoying to write out sometimes, but it seems like people read them, so I’ll keep writing them.

      Sometimes longer comics I’ll put off posting because writing the transcript can take time. But yeah if the artists didn’t write one (which only some do), I’ll do them.

      • schipelblorp@sh.itjust.works
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        17 days ago

        I remember it being solid and fun and very much of itself, that is to say it didn’t smack of seniors executives trying to normalize everything… but I think the praise is more a criticism directed at the blockbuster movie industry.

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          17 days ago

          I mean I watched it, and it was decent. I’m sure it was refreshingly good if you’re a parent watching a lot of kids’ movies. There have certainly been some masterpieces marketed as kids’ movies, and I might have had high expectations, but the praise seems disproportionate to the film.

    • Hobo@lemmy.world
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      17 days ago

      Conan the Destroyer was a good flick too. The scene where they’re walking into town and Conan warns Malak not to steal and he’s like, “I know when to steal (swipes some jewelry) and when not to.” Is just a fantastic setup/punchline.

      • Kaput@lemmy.world
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        17 days ago

        The white castle scene would have gone gory. Now thinking of it, the basketball game, and the washroom that would have been brutal.

  • SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca
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    17 days ago

    Whenever someone asks me what I think is the best movie I just say Robocop.

    Some people will will be disdainful. These are people I’m not interested in talking about movies with because they equate pretentiousness with quality. These are boring people to have a conversation with.

    Some people will be like “Fuck yeah! Robocop! Dead or alive you’re coming with me! I’ll buy that for a dollar!” These people don’t care about getting any kind of deeper meaning from a movie, but that’s cool. It’s fun to talk about cool action scenes in movies.

    Then there are people who are actually capable of understanding the subtext and are willing to look for meaning in a movie that from appearances is just a dumb 80s action movie. These are the people that you can have interesting conversations about movies with.

    • spirinolas@lemmy.world
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      16 days ago

      Robocop is a great movie and far from bring a dumb action movie. Behind its appearance it’s actually a very deep and layered movie Even Paul Verhoeven couldn’t see it when he first saw the script until he actually read it carefully. The title and the main concept are subtly satirical and it’s not apparent until you actually watch it. When I say it is one of my favorites to movie people, they always look at me funny. Unless they actually saw it.

      My favorite movie IS actually Mulholland Drive but I never say it to anyone because I’m always afraid people will think I’m a pretentious dick trying to look smart. This post doesn’t help XD

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        16 days ago

        Yeah, Blade Runner was great for the atmosphere, but it didn’t really emphasize PKD’s overall message about empathy. Robocop came out of that, it was about underlining that message. And yeah it’s about a corporation literally taking away a person’s humanity, but also removing humanity from society in general.

        The US is at war with Mexico in Robocop, but nobody even cares. There’s one line where a cop says “Damn! They bombed Acapulco!” the other cop says “So what?”, and the first cop says “I booked my vacation there, I gotta call my travel agent!”

        It’s a world where there’s virtually no empathy left, and turning a human into a robot is representative of what corporate culture is doing to people.

        Alex Murphy is able to recover some of his humanity, but he doesn’t fully escape from the system. He is still limited by the corporation’s directives at the end of the movie, but he does have his identity as Alex Murphy in the end, so that’s good I guess? It doesn’t hold your hand about this, it’s a smash cut to the end credits. It’s just like “you figure it out!”

    • mushroommunk@lemmy.today
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      17 days ago

      I always pull out “Velocipastor” or “Iron Sky” for very similar reasons. There’s quite a bit you can dig into on any level with those movies.

        • mushroommunk@lemmy.today
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          17 days ago

          Oh I love Kung Fury. And Kung Fu Hustle. And Shaolin Soccer.

          I’ve just found around me more people have seen Velocipastor and Iron Sky, or are more willing to watch them, so they work better as discussion pieces with others. My real friends get introduced to everything.

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          17 days ago

          I mean I’m not pulling anything new out of it that hasn’t been done before but there’s a lot in there.

          Subversion of expectations with a hooker being a good guy and Christian ninjas being the bad guys (among other things). Discussions about VFX and what’s actually needed to sell a scene. Pacing (the whole movie moves at a decent clip without feeling rushed, but still takes a moment for slower scenes). Camerawork and lighting especially for the nighttime scenes. Budgets. The acting is decently solid.

          Like really there’s a lot that the movie gets right with like a $30k budget that big Hollywood movies fail at. It’s cinema stripped to some of its essential parts and it’s much better than it maybe has any right to be.

          But then I’ll talk about it with people who don’t care about all that and just think a velociraptor fighting ninjas is fun and, well, they aren’t wrong.

          • agamemnonymous@sh.itjust.works
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            17 days ago

            Subversion of expectations with … Christian ninjas being the bad guys

            Finally, someone has subverted those pesky expectations we have about Christian ninjas.

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              Finally, someone has subverted those pesky expectations we have about Christian ninjas.

              Yes. It’s hard sometimes to tell who has been genuinely deceived by Christian Ninja propaganda, and who is just being paid to prop up Christian Ninja talking points.

              Sorry, I’m in a silly mood, and just desperately wanted to yes-and your delightful post.

    • Hobo@lemmy.world
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      17 days ago

      The sunscreen commercial is possibly one of the most dystopian things I’ve ever seen in a movie. That might’ve been in Robocop 2 though. Still both films are legitimately two of the best dystopian sci-fi films out there.

    • vaultdweller013@sh.itjust.works
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      16 days ago

      I do this for Starship Troopers since it’s both a masterclass in parody but also works as a solid idiot filter. Though there is always the chance for it to devolve into two largely intelligent people devolving into a weird mashup of Earth Defense Force, Helldivers, 40k, and Starship Troopers memes.

      Also go watch the sequels, they get increasingly weird and eventually devolve into weirdly horny 3d anime. Also read the book and then read any of Heinleins other books, the dude was a competent author and just kinda liked playing around with weird ideas like psychic sex cults and obviously fascistic protagonists.

      I said devolve way too many times.

      • agamemnonymous@sh.itjust.works
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        Also read the book and then read any of Heinleins other books, the dude was a competent author and just kinda liked playing around with weird ideas like psychic sex cults and obviously fascistic protagonists.

        It boggles my mind that people can treat Starship Troopers as proof of Heinlein sincerely promoting fascism when Stranger in a Strange Land was published immediately afterwards. Dude liked playing with ideas, it’s not that complicated.

    • hansolo@lemmy.today
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      You’re right to say RoboCop. It’s a masterpiece of cinema.

      What makes a man a man? What makes a human a human? When has society used is up? When have we sacrificed everything for nothing, and come to the realization in front of a house where we are no longer welcome? When can a sacrifice Niger than one’s self close the final chapter on a life lived in naive folly?

      If someone doesn’t come away from watching RoboCop feeling nearly every feel, they missed the point.

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          LOL, thanks. For what it’s worth, Niger is the name of a large country in West Africa, and a state in Nigeria. I lived in the county for years. So my autocorrect defiantly knows the name and threw it in there instead of “bigger.”

      • Leviathan@lemmy.world
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        17 days ago

        The movie is also a pretty hardcore criticism of capitalism and its willingness to reanimate your corpse to make a buck and then kill you again when you start to question it.

    • wia@lemmy.ca
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      17 days ago

      I always give 2 movies.

      Fifth Element as my personal favorite that everyone should see and holds up.

      West by Northwest as my “Film” of choice.

      That way I can still hold a conversation no matter what anyone wants to go on about. Plus it lets me push for someone to broaden their horizons no matter where they fall on the spectrum of movie nerd.

      • Kaput@lemmy.world
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        17 days ago

        Here a weaponized film suggestion for “i need deep meaning” snobs. Dancer in the dark. It sucks the joy dry out of you and is a masterpiece.

      • Passerby6497@lemmy.world
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        16 days ago

        West by Northwest

        I’m assuming this is supposed to be Hitchcock’s North by Northwest, or is this a parody that I’m unaware of?

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          Ahahhaha it is. I was not awake when I wrote that lol!

          Fixed it.

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        17 days ago

        If they don’t respect The Fifth Element as the iconic masterpiece that it is, I don’t want to hold a conversation with them anyway.

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        The Fifth Element is a movie that in theory I should hate, but I actually love it. The title refers to love and the romance plot doesn’t work for me at all. They do an overly clever thing where the villain and the hero never meet (and kinda rub it in your face about it) and normally I hate it when movies are overly clever in that way. And Chris Tucker is annoying as hell.

        But somehow that doesn’t matter because it’s so over the top about everything. The action, the costumes, the dialog, the visuals are all so over the top the stuff that normally would make me not like a movie doesn’t really matter.

        The overall meaning works even if the execution on the romance plotline falls flat for me. Gary Oldman and Bruce Willis not having any kind of confrontation is fine, since it’s kinda how things work with billionaires. You oppose them without ever meeting them. Corbin Dallas is a man of action and Zorg is a man that’s all about money, so they’re from different worlds so it makes sense they never actually meet. And everything being weird as hell works because it’s the future, things should be weird and unfamiliar. Chris Tucker is somehow the same kind of annoying as social media influencers are today, so even that works.

        So the Fifth Element is a movie that is terrible on paper, but somehow everything fits together so well that it’s actually great.

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      I remember when Harmontown existed, they invited Neumann over and most of the interview was just drunk Dan Harmon saying “ok so you wrote two of the best screenplays in history, what the fuck bro”. (Second one was Starship Troopers obviously). On a podcast that was obsessed with dissecting storytelling, this must have been the most cited movie, along with die hard.

      Personally my go to is Mad Max Fury Road, as a kind of filter similar to what you have going on. It’s a movie you need to engage with on its own terms, otherwise it is completely meaningless and you will miss the whole entire point.

      It seems a lot of people have a problem with clear and radical artistic choices, and will mistake them for defects. This kind of media “literacy” is utterly boring to me as they just train themselves to detect and detest any deviation from Hollywood norms.

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    17 days ago

    Step Brothers was alright and it was good for a little referencing but it never made me feel the things that 12 Angry Men, Rear Window or Jaws has.