The comments have went so far off the rules (and rails). Locking, because mods volunteer, and we’ve been flooded with reports for this post thread alone.
Seems you are the one posting divisive stuff a month before the election, but go off
Blue when in power: But boo hoo we are so powerless we cannot undo any of these anti-trans laws red put in place.
You genuinely can’t be this dumb. There’s a giant difference between “blue in the white house” and “blue in power”. Yes, every bit helps, but we’ve had very few times where blue was truly in power, as in, White House, Senate, House were all blue majority. In those rare times, things did get better. Not fucking perfect, but way better.
And I still need all the haters to actually propose a real alternative that doesn’t involve wishful thinking, expecting millions to risk their life and liberty, or doesn’t sacrifice minoritized people on the altar of accelerationism. How many walmarts have you bombed recently?
Obamacare?
On the one hand: Yes, go to the ballot and vote blue. Even if they’re 99% Hitler. If you think you have “nothing to lose”, go look at Syria or Russia. ‘The worst the Republicans could do’ is worse than you can imagine.
On the other hand: Have you ever heard of the ultimatum game? Imagine you and a friend are offered $100, and your friend offers you a split of $X. You can either accept the $X, or reject it and you both get nothing. You might think you should accept the $X no matter how low, but if the scenario happens again and you have rejected low values last time, your friend will be more likely to offer you a fair X. Otherwise, if your friend’s a bastard (and he is), he’ll offer you $1.
Anyway, in 2020 the X offered was a Biden, and in 2024 the X offered was a Kamala. If every Leftist votes for Biden/Kamala/Next, then the DNC will keep offering the same dogshit or even shift right because 1) they want to grab more centrist voters (who won’t vote for a more progressive candidate), and 2) they won’t lose any leftist voters so why not. And then when the right-shifted candidate loses they’ll blame it on “leftists didn’t vote enough” anyway, in spite of the statistics saying otherwise.
So in other words: If you’re willing to vote for a 99% Hitler, don’t be surprised if you’re offered a 99% Hitler. Unless you’re expecting the DNC to be extremely principled, anti-corruption, and spineful?
“Vote blue no matter who” isn’t a solution; it’s forfeiting democracy (if you follow it, you literally don’t get to choose not to vote blue) in pursuit of… not letting Republicans in. Great! The Dems reliably prevented Trump from being re-elected, right? No, he trod water in the status quo but didn’t actually fix the core problems, so Trump’s “vote me in and I’ll burn down the system” still resonated with voters. But hey, at least Biden prosecuted Trump and all the criminals who he enabled to flagrantly break the law and rewrite it to their benefit? Not really, no.
“Vote Blue No Matter Who” is a travesty which can be at best justified as a strategy of lesser evil - but still evil. If it doesn’t have an expiry date then you’ve already abolished democracy, and that’s fucking horrifying, even if it’s the correct strategy.
You’re acting like you still have democracy, that’s cute
You lost democracy with McCarthyism, way back in the 1960s.
This is just at the precipice of the point of no return now. You have only two options.
Option 1: Jump off the cliff and deep dive into fascist conservative dictatorship
Option 2: Have a ineffectual blue leadership that are more interested in keeping status quo than actually making change, but at least can be brow beaten enough that they listen to people and make a very glacial change that’s not fast enough
Pretty horrifying how voting ‘none of the above’ turned out for 'mericu
Blue no matter who gave us genocide and war.
And geez. What we got was the retarded 4th Reich. But that’s way better than actually trying to make a difference. I get not voting for someone who doesn’t represent. But we all know that we’re not there yet. And we’re not going to get there voting fascist or abstaining (voting for fascist) that’s why they are trying to suppress all votes. Just get out, vote, and put a stop to the bleeding so we can actually get somewhere. Stop trying to make the perfect the enemy of the good enough!
Voting for a fascist would be awful. That’s how you get a genocide.
Remember when Biden repeatedly told debunked blood libel lies against Palestinians from his campaign podium, saying he saw beheaded babies in ovens with his own eyes?
Fuck me, right?
Its funny as i keep reading this thread, you keep brining up Gaza, like ita the single cotcha.
Ita not.
Do you think biden would have started the genocide amongst trans people in the states? Trump started one. So your non vote killed members of my community. Thanks for that.
Also, what about Congo, Sudan, Syria,… There’s more atrocities happening as we speak than Gaza. Yet you only care about one here. Funny how that works.
So the solution is to not vote blue? Then what?
The solution is to stop treating politics like a brief interruption of your normal life around election time, after which you go back to being a passive pawn - which is what most people in the USA have been doing since Reagan at the latest.
Join a union, stand for local elections, organize strikes. All year round. If you cannot afford to do so right now, start/join local mutual help communities designed to save enough collective time for one of their members to do so. Reject the hyperindividualism injected into your culture by the wealthiest few permille specifically to hinder your ability to gain collective bargaining power.
Your only bloodless path towards victory is creating a convincing enough economic threat to the personal wealth of elected politicians as a balancing counter force.
Continue to fail to do so (as a people) and all voting for the lesser evil does is buy you time you’re then wasting.
Sounds good. So you want to do all of that…but only under a Trump presidency? Why?
Edit: i understand the downvotes but why no explanation? Do all of that stuff…but no under Trump. What’s wrong with that?
Except you have it backwards. If the Democrats won 100% of the time, you’d get more factions within the party, with some of them going much further left. The dumb race to the center happens because the GOP has rigged everything in their favor.
The senate race with land essentially voting is not offset by the incorrectly capped House seats. Why does a red farmer in Iowa’s vote matter more for the Senate and House.
Now do Gazan children.
Preface: What’s happening in Gaza is fucking disgusting.
When you say this do you also take note of other atrocities happening?
7 million people are displaced in the Democratic People’s Republic of Congo because of fighting over blood minerals like cobalt. China is directly buying these minerals contributing to this. When Myanmar launched clearance operations against the Rohingya minority which still happen to this day, China is the main supplier for this violence.
Now my question isn’t is this okay, it’s not.
My question is do you think the US, EU or UN should intervene in these situations? And do you think China should intervene in Gaza?
I just ask because when it comes to the US government people seem to want to say what you said to disqualify the democratic process of that country because they are selling arms and contributing financially to Gaza’s destruction. But I never hear the same levied anywhere else at all ever. In fact on lemmy I see the complete opposite of people bringing up how China condemns the actions in Palestine, but never ask why China doesn’t do more about it.
So do you think countries should intervene in genocidal actions across the globe if they have the financial and military means to do so? And do you feel the same degree of frustration for the people of DRC or the Rohingya minority?
Red party: “I’ll blow up an Iranian girls school”
Blue Party: " I won’t"
Guy in hat: “I only care about Gazan children”
Are you sure about that? Are you absolutely sure that the Dem party is not moving in an anti-trans direction?
In 2036, the choice will be between a red candidate who wants to kill all trans people, and a blue candidate who wants to jail all trans people, and OP will argue earnestly in favor of the latter
Well that’s a fuckin delusional take. Vote in the fuckin primaries, vote in every election for the most progressive option and guess what? We’d have a pro trans party. We literally all watched progressives fuckin sweep recently and all you bitch-asses still just immediately capitulating all agency to the big bad dem establishment like you couldn’t fuckin primary them out if you’d just take some goddamn responsibility and vote in your actual best interests for fuckin once but no, be an edgy fuck online.
Omg, are dems arresting trans people?? Wait, no, phew! You’re just entitled and full of shit.
Who is at fault here? When Dem politicans promote anti-trans rhetoric, why is it trans people’s fault for believing them? I think the blame should pointed at the politicians needlessly throwing away voters instead of the voters being scapegoated.
Establishment Dems have already floated the idea of running anti-abortion candidates. Will you blame pro-choice advocates when those candidates lose?
You’re absolutely right, democrats are entirely responsible for everything republicans do.
Just checking in: has ‘vote blue no matter who’ been working well for you folks the last few elections? Last time I seem to remember dropping trans messaging since it was a perceived liability and trotting out Liz Cheney.
Fuck your genocide party and fuck the GOP. Our differences are not reconcilable. I’m not interested in a party run by liberal capitalists.
Voting is basic harm reduction, people advocating against voting are doing the GOP’s work for them and should be mocked.
They say this with a straight face. You just need to ask who was in charge when roe v wade was overturned and what was the response to try to save important hard fought rights.
But no, it’s the people trying to hold power accountable that is the problem.
Come on that’s not even a hard one. Congress was split, not enough votes to break fillabuster, meaning Dems didn’t have enough votes to codify Roe after the conservative Supreme Court, thanks to Trump 1, repealed it.
To fix the Supreme Court would take a supermajority which is unlikely. Codifying Roe will take much less. They should have done it during the Obama years when they held a fillabuster proof majority.
If you want to undo the system you should at least have a basic understanding of how it works
Both sides da same, got it
Same billionaire owners, same entrenching of corruption, same imperialist agenda, same pro-genocide policies, same presidential names in the Epstein files. Both parties strengthen capitalist exploitation and maintain white supremacist, imperialist patriarchy.
At the core of it, the Democratic party is a tool for the Epstein class and a highly effective mask. Having a token liberal social policy lends legitimacy to a corrupt system, deflates pressure to change, and maintains billionaire control, while serving nothing of value to working people and leaving capitalism unchallenged.
Seriously: fuck your party. Why should working people get in line and vote for you? They continue to not show up because they are disenfranchised as a foregone conclusion before they walk into the voting booth.
Yeah sure no difference between the two. Mamdami = Trump same guy really.
God you people are fucking stupid and love your straw man arguments. No one is saying Mamdami is like Trump. But Schumer, Pelosi, and damn near the majority of Democratic congressionals have taken AIPAC $.
And you’re gonna try and sit here and say that 80% evil is better than 100% evil? They’re both evil and fuck the Democrats for forcing the lesser evil on us when there is a way to work towards putting no evil into postitions of power.
Get fucked.
Yeah well, what are you gonna do? I’m sick of people playing right into the right’s playbook by constantly beating the dead horse that Dems Are Bad, like everyone doesn’t know it! You’re not dropping truth bombs you’re pointing at the blue sky and acting like it’s a new color.
Yeah, fuck the Democrats for being spineless assholes who are, like you said, barely better than Republicans, but the solution is to Not Vote? That’s somehow *revolutionary*? The 30 something percent of people who didn’t vote last election weren’t just letting Trump win but were, in fact, based and communist?
People complain about moderates thinking both sides are equally good but then act like they are politically enlightened when they say both sides are bad.
They tell you you’re in favor of genocide when your choices are the Shoot People party and the Shoot WAY More People Party, like you’ve got an option.
Oh, there’s gonna be a revolution? We’re going to take up arms and tear down the system? Well we certainly can’t vote while that’s getting ready Any Day Now, and I’m sure that’ll happen before November.
So no, I’m not some head in the sand die hard Democrat. I don’t think they exist, much less on Lemmy. I’m not suddenly surprised that both sides are corrupt. But I’m not so blind that I’m going to just let Republicans roll into office without some sort of fight and the wet noodle that’s the Democrats is what we’ve got.
You want better? Vote in the primaries, focus on local shit people ignore, and if you want to actually put your money where your mouth is, YOU run for office and actually take some power into your own hands.
Brother no one is saying to not vote. Why do you people always say that same bullshit line when it was never stated at all? We are still voting, but we’re also constantly trying to sound the alarm on the bullshit system we have all year long, not just around voting time. Liberals only seem to get in tune with politics around midterms, primaries and the presidential election. Leftists are out here constantly in tune with politics and are trying to organize year round, not just around voting schedules.
If you can’t make an argument without putting words in other people’s mouths and making shit up, quit commenting like you’re some enlightened individual.
We’re not telling people not to vote, we’re telling you to get politically active throughout the entire year, every year. Because this same bullshit will keep happening until the end of time if all you do is vote when you’re told to. Quit punching at leftists for calling out the systems we’re living under as unjust and start organizing with us to build a better system.
There’s deadass people in these comments saying not to vote. I’ve seen them on other posts, too. Are you willingly ignoring them or just giving them a pass because they are mad at the people you’re mad at?
Oh hey funny you mention organizing, that’s what I’ve been doing locally. I’m working with a group trying to improve things between Hispanic and non Hispanic people and actively doing stuff to help the community with ICE everywhere. I’d love to hear what you’ve been up to!
Avg ml user both sidesing 70k foreign brown people killed under Biden vs the 1.3 million foreign brown people already sentenced to death by Trump’s climate-denying-GHG-acceleration policies (in the first year of his term):
Who thinks they’re exactly the same? Nobody. One is pro-trans, the other is pro-church, and we all know this (for one example).
They are bOtH anti-union, pro-billionaire, and pro-war. So… some people have a problem with this. To some people, these issues could even be more important to them than trans or church issues. and that’s okay.
This is an issue 24 months before an election, or 12 months, or 6 months, or 1 month. You’ll hear “bOtH pArTiEs” for the rest of your life, and it’s true! Best to come to terms with it.
eta Also, do remember that Trump was pro-trans and a Democrat. It doesn’t matter; they don’t really hold any convictions and will drop you like a hot potato at the first opportunity.
One is pro-trans
The Democratic Party is rapidly becoming very anti-trans
@Godric You are so obsessed with MLs. You post about this issue so often that I see you complaining about it way more than I see MLs saying that voting is useless.
See ‘bloomaga, both sides same’ meme in my feed
Post meme ridiculing that stupidity
Call me a reactionary; I react to “both sides same” clowns with mockery and derision!
Yes, you are a reactionary.
Dems supporting trans sports bans (and lockeroom bans and bathroom bans and other sex segregation) are supporting the exact same ideology that justify sending us to men’s prisons. The idea is that we are too strong and manly and will r*pe and kill women if we are allowed to have freedom, so we need to be quarantined away with other men so that we get r*ped and murdered.
I’m not voting for my genocide. If the choice in 2028 is between a transphobe and a transphobe, I’ll just kill myself.
There is a difference between not playing competitive sports and being sent to men’s prison to be raped and murdered. Life may be a fight, keep on fighting for a better world, and please stick around to see it!
Ok so trans people should be ok with the dems turning right on trans issues each cycle right?
Keep pushing right conservatives! You got it!
People who care about Trans rights don’t vote
Party correctly sees voters don’t care about Trans rights
Let’s make sure the “I hate trans people and hope they die” party gets more votes, that’ll show them!
This thread is filled to the brim with the people in the meme.
Well, kinda sounds like you’re okay with either outcome, so I don’t understand why you think democrats should suddenly care about your needs.
Ah yes because all Democrats are exactly the same, and all transphobia is the same level.
No shit, but there are transphobic Democrats supporting the ideology of gender segregation and trans genocide. If one of those bluemaggots gets the 2028 nomination, I’m as good as dead already, I might as well just skip the painful and humiliating part.
Democrats say things that flirt with transphobia because they are trying to win over Republican voters. (Dumb idea but that’s their strategy)
Republicans say they want trans genocide because they want trans genocide.
They aren’t the same, and at least one of them can be pressured into changing.
Yeah, but when someone is trying to pressure dems into changing, people like you appear and cry that by pressuring them to change they’re basically supporting republicans
What kind of pressure?
All the anti-D sentiment I see on Lemmy is from lemmy.ml people saying that Ds are just as bad as Rs (therefore don’t bother voting).
Which of course convinces people who would vote against Rs to stay home and convinces Ds not to bother appealing to that kind of person because they’ll probably not vote anyway.
i vote in primaries and municipal/midterm years but whatever you say, officer
democrats are more likely to call the cops on me than appeal to me in any way.
i vote in primaries and municipal/midterm years
I’m glad to hear it, but I clearly wasn’t talking about people like you. That view isn’t shared amongst the legions of people pictured in the OP who screech that voting for a Democrat under any circumstance is the exact same as voting for a Republican.
Red Herrings not quoted for obvious reasons.
Bluemaggots say things that help build the argument for my extermination because they’re worthless fucking opportunist cowards that don’t stand for anything. I’m sure, in their heart-of-hearts, they don’t even care about trans issues one way or the other.
However, that won’t stop them from “reaching across the isle” to vote for it in a big bipartisan compromise to show how reasonable and moderate they are; they’ll trade away my rights for idk canceling up to $20,000 in debt for Pell Grant recipients who open a business in a disadvantaged community and operate it for at least three years. Either we nominate a progressive or I die.
Every single Democrat that supports any form of gender segregation supports sending me to men’s prison.
Well, I was trying to give you a hope for an out but I guess that’s a no go.
I’d rather you didn’t kill yourself.
I already have hope for an out; we nominate a progressive.
It’s September 29. AFAIK most, if not all, of the primaries are over now. Either you got your ideal candidate or you didn’t, but either way, there’s only one way to keep the guaranteed-to-be-trans-genocidal Republican out of office at this point.
This has been my experience with everyone who refused to vote for Kamala
When they nominate Gavin Newsom to be President I will not vote for him.
Are you organizing for the primary, or are you preemptively giving up and handing power to Thiel’s buttboy?
It’s your party ShitLib. We don’t want anything to do with it.
If you do genuinely need votes from the left to win (you do, but your party’s leaders would literally rather die than admit it) then you’ve got 154 days left to get your party behind someone who isn’t beholden to AIPAC or Wall St, good luck with that.
So no? How’s refusing to exercise political power working out?
People like Mamdani and El-Sayed are possible when people actually get up off their ass.
But Mamdani actually made the lives of the poorest New Yorkers better without totally destroying the system. If politicians actually help people then we’ll never be able to overthrow the system.
Can’t let that happen
Muricans, don’t fuck this up. We’re so tired of all the political news from your country dominating every single “global” space. Sincerely, the rest of the world.
But guuuuuys muh rachet effect! Every DEMONcrat is exactly the same ok? The system is broken so we shouldn’t try to do anything about it, it’s way more cool and revolutionary to talk about an eventually revolution generations down the line, the trans and browns can wait! If you vote you’re CAPITALISTIC SWINE WHO LOVES GENOCIDE. The 33% who didn’t vote last election didn’t just let Trump win they were actually cool revolutionaries ok?
I love being a pawn in your attempt to stomp out class consciousness
Liberals don’t have the stomach to attack fascists. Much easier to attack the left.
I would hate it so much if the left proved me wrong and actually did something, man, please don’t become politically relevant and improve the world, oh noooooo
Gotta spend all their time whining about how nothing gets better, but also whine about the awful shit the right does. Can’t do any compromising, because purity politics is best politics. Who cares if the person you hate worse wins, at least you didn’t vote for someone you hate!
The left should publish a “restore democracy 2026” plan or something. Then, they’d have a roadmap.
Hey they got 4 candidates out of checks notes over 300 democrats, so they basically can’t stop winning.
