Well you see, not voting is actually pretty based and communist, and will help towards a revolution that will happen Soon.
It really shows politicians what’s what.
/s
Very much /s
The amount of “bOtH SiDeZ” propaganda bullshit I’m seeing it the comments here leaves me no doubt that the world is cooked.
I mean, these idiots couldn’t get fucked enough to stand in the way of a fascist, because their entitlement didn’t allow little purity test to even think that there was a difference.
Now we have full blown fascism, but at least the grnocide continued unabated!
They probably let idiots/bots convince them not to vote over some culture war bullshit or wedge issue designed specifically to keep them away from the polls.
Which of the two pro-corporate neoliberal parties in the US care about the environment again?
“Oh, I just couldn’t vote for the Democrats. I’ll hold out for True Progressives.”
Because many teeming legions of people (mostly on the internet) convinced them Rs are exactly the same as Ds (so they may as well not bother voting).
11 million are concerned about it.
11 million are not concerned enough to be inconvenienced by any remedies.
It’s because 11.2 million people say one thing, and do another.
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if clearly motivated people don’t want to vote for you, it’s not an indication that they should lower their standards, it’s an indication that you should have standards to begin with
it’s cute how liberals here are so resilient to reality. people don’t care for slow, steady, painfully incremental progress (if even that) when every summer is so much hotter than the last one.
There hasn’t even been slow progress for anything but shifting right. We have been losing everything from the new deal.
It’s literally their equivalent of trickle down economics. SOMEDAY IT WILL HAPPEN DESPITE ALL EVIDENCE SHOWING OTHERWISE
Incremental progress is better than actively working to make things worse, but y’know, stick to your guns and help make SURE things get worse. Good job!
It seems like you actually believe anyone who thought Harris was a bad candidate voted for Rump?
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But what if they voted for Harris, while thinking she was a terrible candidate? Did that possibly not occur to you?
Millions didn’t. Did that occur to you?
Of course. That’s why I expected her to loose.
Typical MAGA.
Your inability to make the bare minimum effort necessary to stand in front of fascism seems to have also allowed you to not know or care what the outcome was-
Since you seem to like simplicity so much,…
How about you stop pretending any of this matters to you since you have proven via your conscience choice you made to not bother yourself with it.
Simple as……
What choice did I make?
What minimum effort did I not do?Voting for the candidate that does less harm to the environment.
Maybe not you, but plenty others did. And that is why we got trump.
I think you answered my second question? I’m going to assume you did.
Of course that’s why we got Rump. He got more votes. Harris ran against a convicted felon, fraudster, and rapist. It should have been a cake walk to beat him. It was the Dems campaign to loose. She lost anyway, because she was a bad cantate, and the Dems fucked up massively. You can’t blame the reff (the voters) when one team played so obviously badly.
It’s a two party system and you have three choices.
Vote A
Vote B
Don’t vote.
Not voting is still an action. It means either option is fine, otherwise you would have voted for a specific candidate
But what if they voted for Harris, while thinking she was a terrible candidate? Did that possibly not occur to you?
Then they liked her more than the other options.
I know we’re talking about Americans, but this is a simple enough concept. Even for them.
Yah I kind of thought that was simple enough that nobody would think it was what I was asking about.
The whole idea I apparently need to directly explain is, someone can believe that she was and is a bad candidate, while also voting for her. That we can call out her terrible campaign, and how bad the Democrats are at this game; Wanting and hoping for them to be better. You can support your team, while complaining about how much they suck. Too many here seem to think any criticism of any Democrat is support for Republicans. But that kind of simplistic black and white thinking is what Republicans do. I’d want more for us.
This has been the case since the 1990s, when does it deliver, can you show us?
What have working class people GAINED while settling for the “lesser of two evils”?
Where are the incremental steps to the left that you proclaim exist?
i think you misunderstand
i’m not saying people shouldn’t vote (truthfully, i don’t care). i’m saying parties who want votes should have policies worth voting for.
y’all keep talking about how the “let’s not vote for the lesser evil because it’s still evil” voter strategy has lead to terrible results. why not talk about how the “let’s be the lesser evil instead of doing anything good that people would want to support” party strategy has lead to the same terrible results?
The time to make that change is before the general election.
Anytime you’re presented with two choices, take the less bad option. But if that’s the only time you bother to act, or even worse, if you don’t even act THEN to pick the lesser bad option, then you are one less vote against the worse, and therefore by your actions support it. But you already supported it if you weren’t fighting for better options.
“Well, I didn’t pick which restaurant to visit very well, and this restaurant only has moldy fruit or sandwiches made literally from shit. I don’t like either option, so I’m just gonna eat whatever they bring me”. Sure, it’s not a great analogy in the sense that picking a different restaurant is not so easy in the context of politics, but I think it makes the point - always choose the lesser bad option. I’d rather eat the moldy fruit (we’re assuming that we must eat something in this metaphor) than the literal shit. And then work harder to try and prevent us from going to this restaurant next time. But if you are presented with the two bad options and one is worse, not picking an option is fucking stupid.
It blows my mind that these people just won’t even try to understand such a simple concept. Their entitlement, alongside their little purity test cost us not only our democracy, but is RAPIDLY forwarding the environmental damage they pretend to stand against.
It’s mind-numbing dumbassery.
Your point was well said, but it will sadly fall on deaf ears. They don’t want to be told the right way to do things, they want to be told the conveinient way to do things. The way that makes them look good. The way that doesn’t require an effort-
….the way that doesn’t involve sacrifice.
Their entitlement, alongside their little purity test cost us not only our democracy
so, people who aren’t content with atrocious (when, don’t they know that it could be cataclysmic???) are a sizeable enough population that they can sway elections… yet, seemingly, it’s not worth it for democrats to cater to them by not being atrocious? which is it?
you talk of effort and sacrifice. for what? voting? calling people dumbasses on the internet because they checks notes express empathy for those who refuse to settle for eternal mediocrity?
“is it so hard to understand that trump is worse” is it so hard to understand that people who see other people being bombed, forests burning, rights taken away, and their lives getting steadily worse, under liberals and conservatives alike, are not gonna fucking bother at some point? people are not game theory machines, “your life gets worse” vs “your life gets worser”, despite having an obviously correct answer, is not a motivating choice, what a surprise
if you believe in saving democracy so much, demand more out of your elected officials instead of demanding less of people who are tired of suffocating under the boot. but, maybe that requires too much effort, and involves too much sacrifice, idk
You know how you demand more from your elected officials? BY FUCKING VOTING IN THE FUCKING PRIMARIES YOU FUCKING DONKEYS.
Yeah, as a rule, I don’t read the propaganda you people believe in. Your job is to spread your bullshit and move on, my job is to calm it out.
“my job is to calm it out”
Is that your bot programming? That’s your job?
Progressives or others that are critical of the establishment democrats have given you ESSAYS of evidence all throughout here and you just say, “nope, you’re all dumb if you don’t vote for my party”
But I guess that could be indictive a being a bot OR just being an actual establishment democrat
Non voters aren’t motivated to vote, they’re non voters, why would anyone cater to a group that intentionally throws away any influence they could have?
Thanks, I’ll go on and implement a policy to destroy the ability to vote for as many people as possible in as many ways as I can come up with, that way they become non-voters and I don’t have to listen to them. Oh wait, that policy is already what’s happening.
Because progressives don’t fucking vote and give power to Republicans by doing so. If you refuse to participate in the system then you don’t get to be upset when the system disregards you.
Over several decades, progressives are told to vote for the lesser evil, they do, and then the lesser evil helps the greater evil silence progressive voices, so that progressives eventually find out they can’t vote anymore.
You don’t know what you’re talking about.
Yeah, and not voting will make everything much worse a lot faster.
So please, throw away your vote. The republicans will thank you.
If progressives voted in every election over the last several decades we’d have a progressive democratic party, but progressives mostly don’t vote. You sound like a republican.
I sound like a Republican when saying that the Republican have destroyed voting rights? sure buddy.
You sound like a republican because you were spouting both sides bullshit.
What’s not cute, is how there are people fucking stupid enough to not understand the simple concept that when your opponent is a anti-environmental fascist-
YOU VOTE AGAINST THE ANTI-ENVIRONMENTAL FASCIST.
It can’t get any easier, yet you people STILL don’t seem to understand it. Let me put it another way:
When you have cancer- YOU TAKE THE CHEMO. You live to fight another day. You don’t say,
“Yeah, no. Thanks, but… yeah, chemo sucks. I don’t want to get sick, so, let’s just let the cancer take me.”
This is PURE ignorance. As it, it doesn’t get stupider. In fact, I’d go so far as to say even MAGA is smarter that this.
Exactly. If they aren’t a Fetterman, then vote for them no matter what.
The only way voting will be ever be effective again is if we shift the Overton window back. The only way to do that (in regards to voting) is to vote for leftists at the local and state level. The ones that actually win are running under the Democrat banner.
That’s pretty much the only way we get out of this mess democratically speaking. That said, we do need to be doing more than just voting to have any actual chance.
Well, if the supposed opposition is anti-environmental fascist-supporters, then they aren’t going to get people out to vote.
Your analogy is severly flawed. The Democrats are less like chemo, and more like alcohol. It makes you feel like the pain is going away, but in the end, it’s only helping the cancer.
Many of them use “both parties are the same” to rationalize not pausing their dooomscrolling long enough to vote.
That’s not a lot of voters, and those voters aren’t evenly distributed amongst the country.
11 million votes would have easily flipped the election…
If I had to guess, the vast majority of those people are in places that absorb their vote into an electorate that won’t take climate seriously. The US is huge, and it’s hard to steer the political landscape in a given direction. We have a party duopoly that doesn’t help.
Well let’s get this 11 million people to vote so you don’t have to guess.
Probably because both party do not care about climate, they should still at least vote for the green
Oh yes, you can see by the voting records and what each party does with legislation to see they are exactly the same and both treat environmental issues exactly the same. I mean, if you ignore the voting records and what each party does, that is.
Yes, I can see that Republicans are honest about not caring about climate and the Democrats pretend to care. You seem to want a one party system like China
We only have one non-fascist party at the moment, so yeah. But you say that like anyone who prefers one party over another wants a one-party state like they don’t prefer one party over the other.
Find me non-fascist Republicans who are standing up for human rights and I’ll give them a shot, sure.
We only have one non-fascist party at the moment
No. We don’t. Both parties are fascist. The Nazis studied the American system to learn how to build the Third Reich. The ruling class funded the Nazis in Germany and in the US. The US had a huge Nazi movement domestically. Who got purged? The anti-fascist communists. The US has spent over a century purging communist anti-fascists from all forms of meaningful power - media, art, politics, business. There are no non-fascists left in power. It’s just two PR firms selling the same fascism. The Rs are openly racist and the Ds do literally nothing to stop them and in fact create the very systems required for over fascist actions. That’s two fascist parties with a Good Cop / Bad Cop routine.
Unsurprised you’re from .ml with that level of ignorance.
Ad hominem
Have fun explaining what’s “ignorant” about ny grasp of history
Please enlighten us with your Almighty knowledge Alexander Daychilde
Please show us how everyone that writes long and justified statements involving history and current events are only worthy of your almighty, “nuh-uh”
Posting history is public. I respond when it’s worth bothering.
They made some points instead of refuting points you decided to say a fallacy
My comment talked about voting for a third party , you completely ignored it and claiming that I support voting for republicans. You basically say yes vote for only one party like China have. You have two terrorists parties who destroyed multiple democracies and countries.
bOtH siDeS! riTE?!?!!
Take the psyop bullshit elsewhwere, Ivan.
It couldn’t be that they want a different strategy than the failing one the Democrats keep pushing. It has to be that they are a Russian operative, riTE?!?!!
“Everyone who disagrees with me is a foreigner, so I can disregard everything they say” and other insane conspiracies for the racist right-wing mind
Poor cultist, keep crying
The irony. LMAO!!
If a democrat politician is good than yes I support people voting for them so yeah I am not a cultist. The cultist is dumb people like you who support a one party system.
Yeah. You chose to throw away a vote against fascism, I voted against it.
One of us is dumb, bud, but I don’t think it’s who you think it is. But that’s okay, considering the context here, there is really no way you could possibly have understood.
Democrats are fascists.
I love how libs think that voting for the “opposition” party that helps the fascists is not the dumb, cultist move.
Oddly enough, they would probably agree with the common statement, “if 9 Nazis are sitting at a table and you join them, 10 Nazis are sitting at the table”
Woosh
The green party is bankrolled by Russia, it exists exclusively as a spoiler for the democrats to trick the average low information voter.
Are green promising to give billions to Russia to help them invading ukraine? Because both parties did give billions to Israel to exterminate Palestinians. At the end of the day you support a one party system like china have
The green party doesn’t fucking exist three and a half years out of every four. Don’t even try this bullshit.
Democrats and republicans do not exists three and a half years out of every four. The green are in the street organizing from the first day after the end of an election to the first day before the next election . You can keep shaming people all you want and shift the blame from your party failure on everybody else , you ain’t going to change shit.
Fucking hilarious! And your shame is well deserved. You chose all of this when you threw away a vote on a candidate that had no chance to ever win.
Take your bow.
Typical defeatist idiot BS. Yeas i would rather vote for a good people that have no chance to win than evil people they have chance to win. The Stop Cop City and Atlanta Forest Protests and Rock DAPL Protests is two example of the democrats oppressing and beating protestors for supporting the climate.
Idiot like you have zero moral and zero principles. If republicans policies and democrats policues was switched you would stil l side with democrats because you are a dumb cultist.
I see everyone going to blaming parties or whatever but its like no one considers that they are just complacent. If people wanted they could fundamentally change the way they live their lives to make things better for everyone else and remarkably more difficult for themselves. Why they dont is self evident.
